巴特勒在Undoing Gender寫道:「It is not necessary to figure parent-child incest as a unilateral impingement on the child by the parent, since whatever impingement takes place will also be registered within the sphere of fantasy.
In fact, to understand the violation that incest can be - and also to distinguish between those occasions of incest that are violation and those that are not - it is unnecessary to figure the body of the child exclusively as a surface imposed upon from the outside.」
「The reification of the child’s body as passive surface would thus constitute, at a theoretical level, a further deprivation of the child: the deprivation of psychic life.」 認為小孩只能是被動的一方,在理論上,會進一步剝奪小孩的精神健康
「So I keep adding this qualification: ‘when incest is a violation,’ suggesting that I think that there may be occasions in which it is not. Why would I talk that way?
Well, I do think that there are probably forms of incest that are not necessarily traumatic or which gain their traumatic character by virtue of the consciousness of social shame that they produce.」
「It might, then, be necessary to rethink the prohibition on incest as that which sometimes protects against a violation, and sometimes becomes the very instrument of a violation.」 故,雖亂倫禁令有時可以防止危害,但有時它是加重受害者創傷、成為危害人的工具,所以我們有必要再思考亂倫禁令。
童書雖沒明言何謂「The joy of pleasure」 但他說「When children know what feels good to them, they are better prepared to identity experiences that don't feel good, and say no or walk away.」 (往上看Pat Califia的鬼話)