People who think men will never take advantage of self-ID to access women's spaces baffle me. Of course they will. Let me tell you a story. I was volunteering in a women's shelter when a woman called. She needed to speak to someone, and asked if she could bring a TW friend. (1/)

那些認為「男人絕對不會利用Self-ID進入女性空間」的人使我困惑。他們當然會啊。讓我跟你說個故事。我曾經在一個女性的庇護所當志工，有個女人打來說，她需要跟人談談，問她能不能帶一個跨女朋友一起。

Shelter said "yes". However when woman and "TW" show up, it was clear that this had been a lie. The person who showed up was a man. 6ft5, muscular, entirely male presenting (bar nail polish). Went by a male name, but asked for female pronouns. (2/)

庇護所同意了。然而當女人還有「跨女」出現的時候，顯然她撒了個謊。出現的人是個男人。六呎五吋高(註：約195公分)，肌肉發達，完全是男性的外表(有塗指甲油)。使用男性的名字，但要求女性代名詞。

Shelter lets them in on the basis of the female pronouns. "TW" and female friend go to speak to individual case workers. Within 10 minutes, friend was referring to "TW" with male pronouns. The female pronoun business had been used just to get this man into the shelter. (3/)

庇護所基於女性代名詞這點接受了他們。「跨女」跟女性朋友與個案工作者對談。在十分鐘內，這位朋友就用男性的代名詞指稱這位「跨女」。所以女性代名詞這回事就只是被利用來讓他進入庇護所而已。

Why? Unsure. To speak to, he had been nice enough. But how much can you honestly tell from a minute's conversation? That is however the risk the female case workers had to take by letting him in. If he had been violent, there would have been little we could have done. (4/)

為什麼要這麼做？不確定他們的動機。就談話中來看，他足夠友善了。但是你從區區幾分鐘的談話中能實際瞭解多少呢？女性的個案工作者要冒著風險接納他，如果他有暴力行為，我們做不了什麼。

Not to mention the shelter exists to help women who have faced, or are continuing to face, male violence and abuse. Seeing a man in this space can be hugely triggering. The shelter doesn't even allow male delivery drivers or male inspectors in. (5/)

更不要提庇護所的存在是為了幫助曾經面臨男性暴力與虐待、甚或是依然身處其中的女人。光是看到一個男人出現在這個空間就會觸發極大的創傷。庇護所甚至不允許男性的送貨員或是檢查員進入。

This shelter also serves women who are escaping men and male violence. Women who need a space to be safe from violent pimps or Johns, abusive husbands or family members. The minute you allow any man who self-IDs in, you open up the space to abusers. (6/)

這間庇護所也服務逃離男性與男性暴力的女人。女人需要一個安全的空間，遠離暴力的皮條客或是前男友，施虐的丈夫或家庭成員。在你允許任何男人靠自我認同進入的瞬間，你就是歡迎虐待者進入。

In this case, I think this man used self-ID to access this shelter simply because it's nicer than the local men's shelters. But that is not what women's shelters are for. Women's spaces do not exist as a substitute for poor male facilities. (7/)

在這個案例中，我認為這個利用Self-ID(自我認同)進入庇護所的男人，單純是因為這間比當地的男性庇護所要好。但是這不是女性庇護所的服務的目的。女人的空間不是弱勢男性機構的代替品。

After this incident, the shelter revised its policy on "TW" and self-ID. But many shelters still operate on self-ID, and too many people in power want to see all women's spaces admit men. Simply, this is dangerous and puts women at risk, and men will take advantage. (8/ 8 )

這個事件以後，庇護所修訂了它的「跨女」與Self-ID(自我認同)政策。但很多庇護所依然遵照Self-ID運作，而太多有權力的人想要見到所有的女人空間允許男人進入。這是全然的危險並置女人於風險中，而男人會利用它得利。

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←我逛河道看到有人說，終究女人還是需要靠有良知的男人來守護，看了覺得真的很悲哀，但我也同意再這樣下去，女性庇護所絕對需要男性工作人員，不然這些男性入住者動用暴力的時候，純女性工作人員根本招架不住。而庇護所本來要保護的社會底層弱勢女性呢？只能一直活在創傷觸發跟驚恐當中，毫無選擇。

監獄亦同。
本來無須配槍配棍的女子監獄也要開始增加武器鎮暴配置跟男性獄卒，而好不容易減少的男性獄卒性侵女囚的問題又會再度惡化。

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可對照加拿大溫哥華的舊文，一家女性庇護所因為只收容生理女性，遭跨女政治家Morgane Oger報復，被剝奪政府贊助。

ironyaria2: 會去報復生理女庇護所，這種充滿雄性攻擊性的行為，還有臉說自己是女的喔？
生理男還會受父權框架的「不要大欺小」制約，跨女根本兩邊好處都要拿。

有點好奇在這種self-ID的政策下，跨男會去哪個性別的庇護所? 應該也是女性的?

btx7812: 我只是說句勵馨支持Self-ID，理念不同的人建議不要捐就被罵死惹，還是男跨女手段比較高明，可以說服市議會砍掉這種只肯照顧女人的機構經費～

tngs20726: 看跨男喜歡吧。想去哪裡就去哪裡不就是Self-ID的精神嗎？跨男也可以參加女子游泳競賽說這不傷他的boyhood啊。

ironyaria2: 你說的跨男游泳選手那件事真的過於真實。self-ID的實際情況的確會變成，女性只會去女性庇護所，還得面臨跨女和跨男一起擠進來的安全問題。

我停捐婦女新知，他們也沒什麼特別反應也不想詢問為什麼停捐，可見人家根本就不是很在意個人捐款減少。kellerlin氣成那樣實在是沒必要。

想到前幾天那個女子賽事比賽，贏過跨男的是跨女www

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