mguhlin
7 years ago
latest #57
vdub144
7 years ago
Apple in general is a very evil company.
brudd says
7 years ago
there is a simple solution to this 'problem' - don't use their services...but I don't see that happening.
brudd says
7 years ago
vdub144: I personally don't see companies as 'good' or 'evil' when ultimately they all chase the same thing - profit.
mweisburgh
7 years ago
Thanks for passing this on. If MS could, I am sure they would claim ownership of all docs created by Word.
nkrahn says
7 years ago
Absolutely all about profit. As one post said shortly after launch Apple isn't in this to revolutionize anything. This is a grab at market
nkrahn says
7 years ago
share and ultimately profit.
nkrahn says
7 years ago
To me is seems very un-Apple like. Almost rushed. Like the Jobs bio and hint at this which has been rumored since release of the book
nkrahn says
7 years ago
caught them off guard and they were unsure how to proceed without rushing the product to launch before someone else did.
vdub144
7 years ago
Apple in general is a very evil company.
mguhlin
7 years ago
As long as one doesn't forget a company is in it FOR the profit, then you can choose to use their services without sentimentality.
vdub144
7 years ago
Most companies license technology to others. Apple buys, and sues to keep others from advancing similarly. They don't have to operate this
vdub144
7 years ago
Way, but in doing so hold back an entire industry. Apple has notoriously treated employees poorly, and treats consumers poorly as well. Like
vdub144
7 years ago
Suing those who raffle iPads... So they will get no more money from me.
brudd
7 years ago
ok, so give an example of a 'non-evil' technology company or any other for that matter. Should they just forgo profit and give it all away?
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
vdub144: I will argue that Apple treats their customers poorly. I previously had Dell's but with their p*$$ poor service & having to be
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
serviced overseas by others who spoke very broken English & told that I could speak to someone in the US for $$ I dropped them like a hot
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
potato. I've gotten excellent service & have had no problem like I did with that 4-letter word one
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
if you want to buy a Lexus or Mercedes you go to those dealerships, if you buy a book published by Random House don't expect another company
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
to make you the same exact item, they can't its called copyright laws, so why not the same with apps & e-books? Double standards?
vdub144
7 years ago
I have 400 Dells in service. I can call 24h a day & get help. During us business hours I get us based call centers! Dell custom builds for
vdub144
7 years ago
Me IN THE US. I just ordered 65 Optiplex 980s this week & got notified last night they shipped.
vdub144
7 years ago
They overnight parts to me, and I have on site service in 24h from a local tech paid by DELL.
vdub144
7 years ago
Yet another story of why I don't believe in Apple anymore. Good machines at a premium price, but horrendously evil company.
mguhlin
7 years ago
A few more thoughts, here - The Road is Open - Amplified Voices www.mguhlin.org/2012/01/...
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
vdub144: I'm glad Dell has kept up for you, they failed miserably for me. I hope they can keep up the good work, which you pay a premium
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
for
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
vdub144: you might want to be careful as to what you are comparing Apple to, Dell has gone that way too
vdub144
7 years ago
Funny thing is that to compete, all companies have gone this way. Some with remorse, some without. Actually you brought up Dell, I did not.
vdub144
7 years ago
And that premium I pay... I explained my feelings to my Dell rep, who promised to work with me. I paid $430 each shipped for 4Gb i3s with 3y
shirky17
7 years ago
Dell service failed for our District
vdub144
7 years ago
Warranties. Great for student workstations. Most companies will work with me and I try to keep my demands reasonable. But not Apple.
shirky17
7 years ago
i wonder if tech guy would reconsider at $500 per machine?? Where do you find that deal??
vdub144
7 years ago
In what way? They refused? Bad local techs? (We have recently become self certified)
shirky17
7 years ago
I have a few Dell refurbs in my classroom...they last me a couple of years
shirky17
7 years ago
I just know wht our tech guy says and he summarizes "Dell service $####" (he is not so eloquent when I suggested we look to them vsGateway
vdub144
7 years ago
I call & work with my rep. When my original rep left, he set up a conference call with new rep & they called me together. I buy 100 machines
shirky17
7 years ago
a few years ago...we have Apple now since Gateway has since failed for us (
vdub144
7 years ago
Per year, although I have bought more the last three years with carts & laptops...
shirky17
7 years ago
(we ordered new labs, they failed to deliver machines)
shirky17
7 years ago
maybe we jsut did not do a good job of finding/communicating with our rep
vdub144
7 years ago
Did not deliver machines?! That is what they DO! I custom order (no optical drives on desktops, no webcams on laptops, other internal tweaks
vdub144
7 years ago
And they ship within days.
vdub144
7 years ago
Again, I didn't bring up Dell. But at least they have enough still invested in the US that they can do this, unlike Apple.
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
vdub144: really, so why was it that as a Dell customer I could only speak to someone in India? Yes, I did bring them up, but be careful as
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
to who you are calling the kettle black. Dell outsourced their CS years ago, 8,800 people in the US lost their jobs because of that
say, Grace.... says
7 years ago
I know I can't convince you, but I do hope you begin to see that all co's will outsource if it makes their profit margins higher
vdub144
7 years ago
You seem to be hung up on Dell. I get US made machines and US support (when I ask for it). And you are right - as long as we allow these
vdub144
7 years ago
companies to outsource EVERYTHING they will. They don't care about human rights, the environment or anything beyond money. Its not something
vdub144
7 years ago
you can legislate. I don't need to be convinced - I think you get hung up on perhaps the wrong details. Dell isn't important here.
vdub144
7 years ago
Try this instead - www.the350project.net/ Please humor me, stifle the anger, and check it out. Start with something less near & dear
vdub144
7 years ago
to you than Apple. Help three small businesses in your community this month, and every month throughout thye year.
brudd
7 years ago
one thing is for sure, this post certainly sparked a conversation, didn't it? I like the 3/50 project...supporting small, local businesses
brudd is
7 years ago
wonderful...great idea. Of course, there's an (evil) app for that... (LOL)
mguhlin
7 years ago
Fascinating perspective - www.cultofmac.com/141832...
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