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  • AmberCadabra
    For easiest following, open the Plurk Page link on the bottom right of this window, and open in a new tab
  • templestark
    ok, i'm here, drink in hand. (g_drinking)
  • AmberCadabra
    Also a quick note: connie has smartly started us a Plurkshop account for easier hosting in future.
  • AmberCadabra
    To follow future plurkshops, be sure and follow "Plurkshops" timeline
  • MackCollier says
    gonna tweet it! Guys make sure your followers know
  • Connie says
    TIP: you may have to manually refresh this page if you're viewing in a separate tab. But it's much easier to keep up with this way.
  • seerysm says
    smart! but it is sort of fun having someone host it each time. Sort of like a group taking turns meeting at each others houses ;-)
  • LindaZ
    hello amber, nice to meet you :-D
  • mleis says
    what's the url?
  • Tim Jackson
    Yes, Connie's a smart dame. Amber's up there too... ;-)
  • Connie says
    seerysm We will still have someone different host it each time, but easier to have it in one location. We will give host the acct password.
  • Connie says
    says We are also going to cross timezones and spread them out so our UK and Aussie friends (and others) can join more conveniently.
  • Te-ge says
    nope, without the "s" connie??
  • templestark says
    dang seerysm has a good point too. Still there can always be one person to take hosting "duties."
  • Connie says
    no, it's just plurkshop
  • MackCollier says
    so comments comments everywhere, good or bad?
  • emsgeiss says
    Hi everyone!
  • AmberCadabra
    Thanks for kicking us off, Mack! :-)
  • servantofchaos says
    Connie timezones are always tricky for me ... this works nicely!
  • MackCollier says
    sorry didnt mean to hijack out of the gate :-(
  • Connie says
    I think fragmentation is inevitable and we might as well embrace it. Community trumps control.
  • lizstrauss says
    Hiya guys! MackCollier, It's hard to keep track . . . so much time just finding them.
  • Tim Jackson
    Glad to see so many faces already.
  • servantofchaos says
    I used to use CoComment to try and track my own comments, but it kept failing -- now I am out of the habit
  • mleis asks
    Who cares where? As long as they get back w/o killing me
  • MackCollier says
    i can see both sides....i want people to be able to leave feedback whereever they want
  • Lux says
    sorry I'm late
  • seerysm says
    I used co.mment for awhile to try and aggregate some comment and discussion threads
  • Tim Jackson
    Yes, I mostly use Goodle Alerts and Technorati.
  • Connie says
    lizstrauss we have to keep developing and using new tools to track the conversation, but the genie is out of the bottle, in my opinion.
  • Tim Jackson
    I know there are better ways, but those work well enough.
  • MackCollier says
    but on flipside, fragmented feedback can lessen chances for a convo to develop if feedback was centralized
  • Tim Jackson
    Yes- finding them all is going to be impossible.
  • Tim Jackson
    There is something about the hunt though.
  • MackCollier says
    for example, what if we all committed to blog about this topic today, instead of meet here? the fragmented feeback wont match convo here
  • servantofchaos says
    TimJackson ... yes I rely on Google alerts and Technorati too ... but they dont keep all the threads together
  • AmberCadabra
    Hate to keep using Chris as an example, but he mentioned this yesterday on his blog.
  • Lux says
    as someone with limited time and a LOT I need to follow, fragmentation increases the chance I miss something important.
  • MsHerr says
    re: comments ... good to thread them w/ the content the refer to & comments are convo facilitators
  • puresurplus thinks
    u should just host a plurkshop on talkshoe
  • Connie asks
    MackCollier the $64K question: how can you centralize feedback?
  • AmberCadabra
    A bunch of comments moved to FriendFeed and he missed them
  • seerysm says
    I know rely on google alerts - but have found no real clean way to organize. But I want the interaction, no matter where it takes place
  • LindaZ is
    it not easier to see it all with the new search tool
  • templestark says
    always wanted software to track my comments everywhere. comment when something stirs ya or to help friends.
  • ggroovin says
    sup? How's this thing sposed to work?
  • MackCollier says
    Connie what do you think about the plugins that pull Friendfeed comments and put them back on your blog?
  • MsHerr says
    and aggregation sometimesleads to disjointed or tangental convos that lose relevance to the initial content
  • lizstrauss says
    connie I so agree that we never could control the conversation. Now it just feels like we're supposed to follow all of it.
  • MackCollier says
    I think its a tradeoff, you want people to be able to have their say where THEY want, but fragmentation lessens chance for conversation
  • AmberCadabra
    ggroovin however you like! Feel free to read, listen, and jump in wherever.
  • Connie says
    ggroovin Plurkshop is group chat about single topic. If you keep this convo open in separate tab, easier to follow. Chime in when ready.
  • emsgeiss says
    I use google alerts & technorati too and serph, which I just discovered
  • templestark says
    tangents are death to many good conversations. so something like this with a frame of mind set at beginning seems useful
  • AmberCadabra
    spinopsys that's a great tool for Twitter, but what happens when comments start branching off to other sites?
  • Tim Jackson
    Mack- good point, but I really enjoy tracking people down and commenting in their turf. It feels natural.
  • emsgeiss says
    but I don't think serph picks up technorati yet
  • MackCollier says
    for example, one night Kr8tr posted a link to a blog post of his, asking for comments, Scoble told everyone instead to comment on it @FF
  • LindaZ
    would the hashtags and surmize work on plurks too?
  • seerysm says
    downside: Part of what's great about group convo is what's learned from each other - when convo happens in multiple places context gets lost
  • MsHerr thinks
    the contextual linkage/fragmentation questions also raises the question about cross-posting
  • servantofchaos says
    I did a search the other day on Addictomatic and found all these conversations ABOUT me that I was not part of!
  • Connie
    following Mack's thought, then it helps to have something like this plurkshop where we have a central place for comments at least for a time
  • MackCollier says
    Rob wanted the conversation on HIS blog, Scoble tried to 'hijack' it to Friendfeed
  • Te-ge says
    one problem with blogs (and reason people are posting other places) comes down to who owns the comments...commenter or blogger?
  • LindaZ
    I agree wit seerysm... better if it is all in one place but I understand that is not always possible
  • puresurplus feels
    like this is already giving me a headache (g_doh)
  • MackCollier says
    Rob got mad cause Scoble was trying to move the conversation, but I could kinda see where Scoble had the right to try to have it on FF
  • templestark says
    loves hash tags but keeps on forgetting to use them on Twitter.
  • Tim Jackson
    For example, I tracked down Spinospsys through Technorati and over the past 3+ years we've become friends as well.
  • AmberCadabra
    Gavin, that's exactly the hard part. Tracking down what's being said in an organized fashion and following up with all of it
  • emsgeiss says
    LindaZ, I don't know if surmize picks up plurks..I haven't seen any of mine over there anyway
  • MackCollier says
    Prob is, what if someone is active on Friendfeed, and finds your blog post there, and doesnt read your blog, if they can comment there...
  • Te-ge
    MackCollier that was the discussion that really hit on who owns the comment though...Socble asked Rob to remove his comments, Rob denied
  • MackCollier says
    it could expose them to your blog
  • seerysm says
    over the last year, my interaction is more often on Twitter/Plurk - less on my blog - so those not there are left out of the discussions
  • servantofchaos says
    Teeg you still dont really own the conversation even if it is on FF ;-)
  • Connie
    Disagree w/ Scoble, agree w/ Mack & Tim - commenting on *their* turf is important. I love comments on my blog, even tho I enjoy this too.
  • AmberCadabra
    I prefer to comment where the conversation originates (or at least where I find it), but organizing them all is a bitch.
  • Lux says
    I really do not care who "owns" the comments or the content, I just want to be able to find out wtf is going on.
  • MackCollier says
    Connie maybe what we need to figure out is where ppl can most easily comment on our content, and encourage it there?
  • MackCollier says
    Maybe its our blog, or could be here, or Twitter, or friendfeed
  • Connie
    LOL Rachel's practicality. Good point. It's frustrating.
  • Te-ge says
    you can actually delete your comments off FF though. Scoble had commented on the blog until he and Rob got upset with each other.
  • emsgeiss says
    blog comments are good...b/c then you can respond to a comment directly
  • Tim Jackson
    part of my "job" in building community is to go out into that community. Then they will come to my parties too.
  • Connie
    plays devil's advocate. Who says we *have* to follow the conversation everywhere it goes? Especially since we don't "own" it?
  • MackCollier says
    BTW Amber you topped 100 replies in 15 mins
  • servantofchaos says
    comments without context are not all that valuable. That is where blogs are great
  • Te-ge is
    trying Disqus right now, heard rumors it will interact with FF at some point. That would be nice.
  • Charlie asks
    why people get worried about comment ownership? isn't that where "famous quotes" come from... what is said?
  • emsgeiss says
    AmberCadbra...I totally agree- prefer to comment at originating site
  • AmberCadabra
    I encourage peeps to comment on my blog because it's easier for me to keep in touch, but maybe that's selfish.
  • MackCollier says
    Gavin I think blogs have 'deeper' comments, we have time to reflect and better form our thoughts
  • Lux says
    I prefer comments to happen on the site of origin, yes
  • Tim Jackson
    I know that the time to do this is getting shorter w/ all the things on my plate, but the rewards have been many.
  • seerysm says
    it is similar to what you have to consider to get conversions on your site, every click they have to make, the less likely they are going to
  • Te-ge says
    it was already splintered. I'm much more likely to comment on SU than on someone's blog unless I know them anyway.
  • MackCollier says
    Crap Erika! Sorry about the 'c'
  • AmberCadabra
    Let me ask a tangential question. If you're a company and you're trying to do rep management, what's the best way to listen ?
  • emsgeiss says
    AmberCadabra, I don't think it's selfish, it makes sense...I like it when there are mult. streams of dialog, but "beef" of disc. is @ blog
  • seerysm says
    if someone has a thought about ur blog post I want them to easily be able to do that where they want at their convenience - it is up to them
  • Lux says
    Tim, yes, me too. I need to stay involved & gain trust. I can't do that if I can't find the party.
  • AzWebDude is
    ok so someone explain PLurk..how this works btw MsHerr sent me here
  • templestark says
    likes comments at his blog(s) because then I havebetter hope the context is correct.
  • servantofchaos asks
    is all this conversation pointless without a destination? If we are engaging with conversation, is there is an objective other than buzz?
  • Connie
    AmberCadabra reputation monitoring: develop so many Google alerts that you finally give up & use a company like Radian6 (lebrun here).
  • Tim Jackson
    I am in favor of the conversation staying in one spot, but let's face it- isn't going to. Again, this goes back to the notion of control.
  • Lux says
    Amber - when you find out please let me know!
  • MackCollier says
    AzWebDude why dont you ask that question in a different thread?
  • nwjerseyliz is
    finding Plurk and finding people on it incomprehensible
  • MackCollier says
    Tim should we try to 'move' it via blog plugins?
  • emsgeiss says
    templestark....hopefully though, when ppl post link to blog, it gets followed b4 commenting @ 2ndary site begins...kinda like "RTFA" ?
  • Te-ge
    wonders if FF just brought it out in the open that the conversation ISN'T at one spot? It actually hasn't been for years.
  • MsHerr says
    timjackson raises a good point about reciprocity. if we want others to play w/ us, we need play w/ them too. but it needs to be authentic.
  • ggroovin says
    tho I'm not a blogger, I do think if I were & comments to my original thots weren't left on my blog I might have one less reason to continue
  • AmberCadabra
    I'm going to start a plurk help thread over yonder
  • seerysm says
    we can't control readers, and they want content portability, even the comment content - they want to read and respond where/when they want
  • Te-ge
    agrees with seerysm, was thinking the same thing
  • ggroovin says
    if someone wants to take my thots & start a conversation elsewhere, as long as I get credit & a reference that'd be OK.
  • nwjerseyliz is
    finding that there are more comments than she can read, constantly refreshing and playing catch-up
  • Tim Jackson
    Amber, I try to listen every way I can. Google searches, Technorati, etc. I try it all. It is not efficient, but I don't think it will be.
  • MackCollier says
    Teeg that's true, I know some bloggers that will email me to thank me for commenting on their blog, but then convo builds via email not blog
  • Te-ge says
    as bloggers, it's our business to find the feeds...our customers have no reason to keep everything in front of us.
  • LindaZ
    comment on blogs is the best, the person gets to really share what they think, feel and want to tell U plus they have more than 140character
  • JenniferLaycock is
    You know, from a search optimization perspective, I like the convo in multiple places, as long as they link
  • Connie says
    Teeg makes a good point. FF just highlighted the fact that the conversation was already fragmented.
  • Tim Jackson
    I do believe we have to go where the comments are- as a company. If I find a new blog comment or convo, I go visit and comment back.
  • MackCollier says
    nwjerseyliz it moves fast, stay in it!!!
  • JenniferLaycock is
    Also, with the convo in multiple places, more people have a chance to join in.
  • emsgeiss says
    it's too bad you can't ping back comments regardless of where they happen
  • Te-ge has
    been using SU for 3 years and before that other social sites. Conversations about blogs were always on the other sites...
  • codyrobert says
    it's nicer to respond to a comment when it's somewhere you know it'll be, ie, on your blog. rather than off somewhere you mightn't look
  • MackCollier says
    Jennifer try, but fragmented means it could be harder to grow into robust convo at one place, like blog
  • Tim Jackson
    If I find a new blog or comment, I try to go there and comment back. Even if weeks later. That has really helped me w/ outreach.
  • Te-ge
    and only rarely on the actual blogs
  • JenniferLaycock is
    There are only positives to more people in the convo. I say spread it everywhere! Just learn to track.
  • Lux says
    Tim - what do you think of Radian6?
  • Tim Jackson
    I've got a core of really good "fans" in Minneapolis because I tracked back one comment on one blog. Now I have a great group of many blogs.
  • JenniferLaycock is
    Mack, sure, harder to have robust conversation, but easier to have convo go in different directions...
  • DebInAustin says
    hi gang. Dog trainer stayed forever! So I m am just hopping on.
  • MackCollier says
    true, i am really playing devil's advocate, cause I can see both sides on this one ;-)
  • Connie says
    Gavin and Tim are speaking as company reps looking for the conversation, as is Rachel.
  • Tim Jackson
    Rachel- I'm gonna admit that I have no idea what it is. I'm still a techno-doofus.
  • JenniferLaycock is
    A lot of times, different blogs or communities view witha different spin, which adds even more value to convo
  • servantofchaos says
    I guess it all depends on your strategy -- what is the conversation and where are you trying to drive it to?
  • Connie
    Others see this from a blogger's perspective; Jennifer brings a search guru's perspective. That's what makes this great.
  • AmberCadabra
    it's the "learn to track" part that can be brain damaging.
  • MackCollier says
    Tim that's great, see so many companies dont think to do that, follow the comments back
  • JenniferLaycock is
    Thanks Amber. I mean isn't fragmentation the very definition of "loss of control" and isn't this what happens with Social Media?
  • MackCollier says
    and Jennifer 'gets' that some of us are search idiots ;-)
  • DebInAustin says
    soory about that. Wrong message!
  • servantofchaos says
    of course, as a blogger I just want to know what people are saying about me ;-)
  • Connie
    Rachel, I am using Radian6 and I like it.
  • templestark says
    ggroovin is going oto motivation for social media. since I'm new(ish) I'm curious. There's a lot of mixed motivations.
  • Te-ge says
    I know that until I blogged myself, I hated posting to blogs...it was much easier posting somewhere that my friends were and would talk
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Connie, both need to enter the picture. I mean social media and search are tied, whether social types like it. Have to play both strengths
  • seerysm says
    some combo of a convo tag along w/ RSS would work so all posts/responses get a tag where ever they happen & there's a feed for that tag
  • Lux says
    I am working with a very limited toolset currently :-(
  • Connie
    Jennifer, agreed. Bottom line: there is not control. Impossible to get control (at this point). So what do you do about it?
  • emsgeiss says
    Had to refresh screen. Ugh. I do the same as TimJackson re: responding to comments, regardless of age for both biz & personal blogs
  • AmberCadabra is
    a total search idiot. Gotta fix that.
  • Tim Jackson
    Jennifer... I could kiss you for that comment; fragmentation, though inconvenient, spreads the conversation around to other channels.
  • MackCollier says
    Connie what does Radian 6 give you that you can't get from monitoring via Google Blog Search/Summize/Technorati?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Mack, I think search is a key point many social/blog types miss. Those links are gold to you, especially if in editorial and not comments
  • codyrobert says
    comment pingbacks are a good compromise. still allowing user control of the conversation while relaying that info back to the blog
  • Lux says
    Connie they sound interesting, just not sure I'll have budget for their service.
  • templestark says
    I'm all right with loss of control but what is it being controlled or uncontrolled? (Thinks of William S. Burroughs quote here)
  • JenniferLaycock says
    The more people who make the convo their own on their own blog, the more it boosts you. That's a good thing, if you can track
  • AmberCadabra
    I think you have to give up the idea of having "total" control and find the greatest common denominator
  • Connie
    can already see that we're going to draft Jennifer to host a plurkshop on social media and natural search.
  • tdhurst asks
    Okay, where's the cake I'm supposed to jump out of? I'm already in costume.
  • servantofchaos says
    I'm with you Connie, before social media we had the illusion of control. Now the conversation is audible thanks to our "digital ears"
  • MackCollier says
    Jennifer it seems there's a lot of SM types misunderstanding Search, and vice versa
  • Te-ge asks
    is it more important to have control or to have return readers?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Connie, I'd love to hear more about them too, though my crowd likes the cheap stuff. ;-)
  • seerysm has
    attended a Radian6 demo and liked it very much - but what you get out is still only as good as your search terms
  • AmberCadabra
    I don't want to quash the conversation at all, I just want a better way to keep up with it.
  • Connie
    Codyrobert, please explain more. Not sure I follow about comment pingback.
  • templestark says
    For instance, this convo is hard to follow but we all get something out of it - but almost certainly something different with each of us.
  • MackCollier says
    Teeg I think if you empower your readers, it makes them more likely to comment and return regularly
  • Tim Jackson
    Spinopsys- excellent point. Again, we already know we've lost control and running around is difficult, but the doors that open are great.
  • servantofchaos says
    Spinopsys ... oh, another good topic. Anyone else live in fear of the "semantic web"
  • JenniferLaycock says
    LOL sure Connie. And I promise the topic woudln't be "game digg and fake friends for more links" ;-)
  • JenniferLaycock says
    How many of you are regularly checking your logs for new referrers? Not top/popular, but new?
  • Te-ge says
    there has always been social media to an extent though, whether it was a chat room or online game. SM just expanded these.
  • Lux says
    control is an illusion at best.
  • Tim Jackson
    Gavin- can you stop w/ the awesome quotes. You're making me feel like an idiot. ;-)
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Whether comments are nofollowed or not, they still often send traffic, helping you track them.
  • Connie
    Jennifer, I like the cheap stuff too, and most of us *have* to use free/cheap stuff. But there is a place for cos. like Radian6.
  • Connie
    But we need to do that in a different thread or a different plurkshop.
  • LindaZ
    Ok what are the best search across the different channels
  • JenniferLaycock says
    servantofchaos oh my, no, embrace the semantic web! It will rock. Let us get back to natural language and not keywords
  • codyrobert
    connie for example a comment posted on stumbleupon, would ping the blog so the writer could see where the conversation is and respond
  • servantofchaos says
    I think brands and bloggers (in general) have similar objectives -- to build community. Smart brands, that is.
  • ggroovin asks
    what is the motivation for those of you who blog? How's hearing feedback on your own blog feel compared to feedback stumbled upon elsewhere?
  • AzWebDude is
    ok didnt know I had to hit refresh (PLURK) way behind now..
  • MackCollier says
    AzWeb if you follow Amber, you can watch ir from the timeline where it updates automatically
  • Te-ge says
    MackCollier I'm an introvert, sounds silly, but I HATE posting where I don't know what reaction I'll get. SM gives instant reactions
  • JenniferLaycock says
    AmberCadabra we'll so get that taken care of for you, I promise. :-)
  • emsgeiss says
    Teeg, like MackCollier said, too let them know you want to hear from them...their thoughts/opinions..even to the shy it says "hey, your ...
  • emsgeiss says
    ...voice matters to me"
  • templestark says
    i can never find the link on stumbleupon when i click the referral link. It's buried somewhere but it's nice to see.
  • Connie
    **whew** Thought we broke Plurk. I got the A-Team!
  • MackCollier says
    Teeg I am introvert too! Have blogged about how SM makes us introverts more extroverted!
  • Te-ge says
    blogs often give delayed reactions and I used to fret until I heard something. Many of my readers are the same, hate posting on blogs
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Mack, I know you do, but you are rare. Very few people actually check those log files.
  • AzWebDude is
    building communities may be the ONLY thing some of these guys are building
  • Te-ge
    I know because we've discussed sites that are introvert friendly on there.
  • Connie
    Thanks, Codyrobert. I needed that extra context.
  • MackCollier says
    Jennifer I watch SiteMeter to see where I am getting referrals too, like if I see a sudden spike in traffic, probably from new link
  • emsgeiss says
    ggrovin' for me, its sharing, discussing, informing some combo of all three
  • Lux says
    # of readers > # of commenters > bloggers
  • Tim Jackson
    Connie I saw them too! Fwew.
  • servantofchaos says
    blog commenting feels more permanent. Plurk and Twitter feels more transient. There seems to be more WEIGHT to blog comments
  • AmberCadabra
    JenniferLaycock I just started tracking site visits and such with FeedBurner and it's really helping me understand where my traffic is from
  • Connie
    REMINDER: If you have this conversation open in a separate tab so that it scrolls vertically you have to manually refresh if not commenting.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Mack, that's where I like ClickTracks. They have an awesome "what's changed" feature that picks up the slightest new source.
  • MackCollier says
    Rachel and Teeg, thats why I think we need to do everything we can to make readers feel comfortable commenting
  • Te-ge says
    I check my log files...I love visiting blogs that comment about me, but have to get better at commenting on their sites. :-(
  • Tim Jackson
    I would like an aggregator that searched channels to show me convos, but I don't know how that would ever happen.
  • MackCollier says
    Jenn is ClickTracks free?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Amber we'll have to help you get on something meatier. Even Google Analytics is a good start, tis free
  • AmberCadabra
    I find that as a commenter, I leave comments on blogs because I want the writer to know i was listening.
  • DebInAustin says
    AmberCadabra have you tried SiteMeter too? It's more comprehensive than Feedb and finds hits that FB doesn't
  • Tim Jackson
    For now, Google Alerts works well enough. It's time consuming, yes, but I think a lot of folks appreciate that I have to take the time.
  • Lux says
    I smell a business opportunity. :p
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Mack, no, but they have hosted versions that start around $50/mo Doable for biz.
  • Te-ge was
    surprised at the number of readers who responded when she posted about introverts. Think many are afraid other times.
  • Connie says
    ggroovin had a good point I wanted to comment on but we're going so fast I can't scroll back that far & find it.
  • templestark says
    my BASE motivation is I like readers. I like to share and know things I say engage. Many, too have ads on their sites.
  • MackCollier says
    ok sbmu I need to do a trade with someone, I'll help them with their blog if you guys will SEO mine (s_LOL)
  • emsgeiss says
    I did too...nearly had a bird
  • servantofchaos says
    I have used PageFlakes to setup a listening post before ... works well with a heap of different feed categories etc
  • AmberCadabra
    if I post to Plurk or Twitter, it's secondary because I know the chances of someone hearing me amongst the noise are small
  • JenniferLaycock says
    You know, Google is starting to index Tweets. If they'd keep it up with SM, we could track everything with alerts
  • Connie
    AzWebDude agree about those who are only building community.
  • Te-ge
    laughs...I actually post to plurk first, and usually get a LOT of reaction
  • emsgeiss says
    AmberCadabra at least here though, the chances of getting clicks/convo are greater than @ Twitter, where maybe 1 or 2 followers might click
  • Te-ge says
    that's part of the reason I'm disappointed at the reception Plurk has gotten most places so far
  • ggroovin is
    a bit overwhelmed. connie - was it about motivation for blogging?
  • Lux says
    only problem with Google Alerts is that my mailbox is exploding already
  • JenniferLaycock says
    We need to collaborate on a group post on our favorite tracking services. What's the equivilant of Summize etc
  • Beth Harte says
    it was brought up last night about following mult. threads for mult. products (B2B) I would think that mean an SM staff to monitor and man.
  • servantofchaos says
    Connie ... but building community can turn into something longer term. You might build that around your blog - and find opportinities later
  • codyrobert says
    twitter really is just a bunch of noise where as like plurk you can really converse and expect responses from others
  • MackCollier says
    I think Plurk users are more engaged, smaller userbase where we are more likely to know peopel we follow
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Rachel you can setup Google Alerts as a feed to scan when you wish to...
  • Te-ge
    ex: I got 340 visits to my post last thursday in 2 hours, by only posting on here, then went to do broadcast
  • DebInAustin says
    emsgeiss I am with you. I put stuff out on Twitter and rarely get anything back. With the Plurk convos I get ideas, feedback, etc
  • Tim Jackson
    What I have experienced is that the fact I spend too much time online searching on my brand, has given me more "cred" w/ the readers/commty
  • AmberCadabra
    I'm also not very good at building GOOD google Alerts, which is another problem LOL
  • MackCollier says
    Teeg that's amazing!
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Mack, you are right. Plurk users are early adopters. It's a different crowd than even the early adopters of Twitter
  • Beth Harte says
    hi Mack! I am hear just "listening" ;-)
  • Lux says
    Jennifer thanks for the tip, will give it a try.
  • Te-ge says
    it was perfect since broadcast was discussing plurk :-)
  • Connie says
    35 minutes in, 292 comments. My brain is whizzing. LOL
  • AzWebDude is
    Click Tracks / Site Meter what are those where are they?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Amber makes a good point. If you don't understand search, how do you setup accurate Alerts?
  • emsgeiss says
    Rachel...same here...make a sep folder for the alerts if you have gmail
  • Beth Harte says
    Gav, how does one use PageFlakes in a biz setting?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    How much convo are you missing because you don't know what all to search for
  • MackCollier says
    AzWebDude, Sitemeter is free way to track your blog/site traffic
  • seerysm says
    the point about Plurk users being a highly engaged user base is a good one. Even my mom's biz site/blog has seen a traffic jump from Plurk!
  • AzWebDude is
    yeah 1st time on this.. its flying.. hard to see who responds to what/whom
  • emsgeiss says
    Rachel, that's what I do, then a couple of times a day go through the new ones, ones...it helps keep the "inbox noise" down
  • MackCollier says
    crap this plurkshop on fragmented conversations is getting fragmented!
  • Connie
    Over 300 now. This is most people we have had on at one time, so it really is flying tonight.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Plurk does not represent your average web user (neither does Twitter) so you can't extend trends to overall web usage
  • AmberCadabra
    would love to see a Plurkshop on listening tools: Google Alerts and all these other yummy things
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Also, you can send your Google Alerts to a separate mailbox or filter them and check when you have time.
  • ggroovin has
    to split. Been interesting. Take care! =D
  • templestark says
    teeg offers that we should participate more - but with a choking amount of new SM tools, that seems LESS likely, doesn't it?
  • seerysm says
    have google alerts for my name & seerysm; my blog URL & blog name as well as all topics I'm focused on such as "corporate career websites"
  • MackCollier says
    can't afford a bathroom break!!!!!
  • DebInAustin says
    I am with JenniferLaycock We all are really into learning the newest stuff which puts us in a tough spot when trying to convey Plurk
  • Connie
    agrees w/ Jennifer about Twitter/Plurk being FAR from the average web user. And we need to keep that in mind when seeking comments.
  • Te-ge
    wonders if we should make a plurk of everyone's strengths and let each person lead a plurkshop on their area?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Is anyone actively encouraging people to take the convo to their own community/blog for their own spin?
  • servantofchaos says
    bethharte I use it as a listening post. I setup multiple RSS feeds linked to key topics. Each displays in its own window on a tabbed page
  • Tim Jackson
    I have found great value in Statcounter too. I trackback a lot of visitors that way and seen may things Technorati doesn't always catch.
  • puresurplus says
    whoa...i will never be able to read all this later
  • sdavis says
    okay..late response re: PLURKSHOP...
  • Lux says
    as much as I like Plurk, I can't help but think that this would be easier in an old school chat room.
  • mleis asks
    jenniferlaycock are you really ever missing it, or is that just perceived because of lack of good mechanisms to know ur audience?
  • MackCollier says
    Connie Bensen asked for def of Community, right before this starts, think s that would be great plurkshop
  • JenniferLaycock says
    I think it's easy for us to get caught up in how we communicate and expect the world to follow. They will, but not soon.
  • AmberCadabra
    JenniferLaycock that's a great point about the "average" user. We all need to remember that not everyone is as imbedded as we are
  • emsgeiss says
    seerysm...I do the keywords too for me/my company...that way I can see where if there were typos or whatever we come up anyway
  • Connie
    Teeg, will send you separate plurk about ways we are looking to implement your idea about different hosts, etc.
  • Te-ge
    agrees with Rachel. Having to refresh causes major delays with this many people
  • emsgeiss says
    when I launched my mag, there were posts about it @ various places and I was able to go to their blog and thank them for the mention, so
  • JenniferLaycock says
    mleis What is "it" that we're missing? You lost me
  • DebInAustin says
    I have set up tracking for my blog with at least 6 different apps and cross reference b/c they all miss something others find
  • Siegelo says
    a lot to absorb and follow in a very short time.
  • MackCollier says
    I added LiJit search widget, it's reporting slight;y more traffic than sitemeter, I think
  • Connie says
    sdavis, Welcome. Rachel, we might want to try a plurkshop using CoverItLive hosted on a blog.
  • emsgeiss says
    for me the google alerts are a must-have for the keywords not just my name/handle/biz.
  • servantofchaos says
    has anyone tried addictomatic? I keep finding interesting references there that have otherwise gone unnoticed
  • Te-ge
    would love to see more of the SEO guys come to these too, she knows several who haven't been and would have good input
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Remember guys, don't just have alerts for YOUR name/biz. Follow your competitors too, or even friends. The convo is all tied together
  • Connie
    Siegelo, Welcome. It is kind of overwhelming tonight. I'm sure I will go back and reread this thread later.
  • emsgeiss asks
    JenniferLaycock..how do yo mean spin? I posted a poll about SM use and WAHMs on Sat. at the mag's blog if that's what you mean
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Just depends on which SEO types you get. Some only value SM for the access to quick/easy links.
  • AmberCadabra
    agrees with all of you that this format will take some tweaking, but hang in there!
  • JenniferLaycock says
    It's why I call myself a "recovering SEO" I don't like being lumped in with gamers
  • Connie asks
    Mack, what do you think of Lijit? I need to install it.
  • templestark says
    i have a Coveritlive account.
  • emsgeiss asks
    or do you mean for them to branch off at their relative blogs etc...when that happens naturally, I love it.
  • Connie says
    Jennifer, you are "white hat" SEO :-)
  • Te-ge
    laughs I started out in chat rooms and games. That taught me the power of social media before most places were realizing it.
  • Tim Jackson
    Jennifer- excellent point; I have done that as well. If I want to know what is being said about a competitor, I create a Google alert.
  • Lux says
    I have 126-work specific feeds in NetNewsWire currently. (s_sick)
  • MackCollier says
    in hindsight, inviting Plurk newbies to come HERE might not have been best ider ever ;-)
  • Tim Jackson
    Jennifer- excellent point; I have done that as well. If I want to know what is being said about a competitor, I create a Google alert.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    emsgeiss I mean encouraging them to make a post on their site with their own perspective.
  • Connie asks
    templestark Would CoverItLive be able to keep up with conversation this fast?
  • AzWebDude is
    I use netvibes instead of pageflakes
  • JenniferLaycock says
    I.E. Do you invite folks to go in-depth on their blog, then comment on yours with summary and link to their own blog/full post
  • Tim Jackson
    Sometimes I set one up for just a given product. Helps me see potential issues w/ my own- by reading theirs.
  • templestark says
    don't exlude newbies - they may be smarter (woot)
  • Connie says
    Mack, yeah, we should have invited noobies to the Plurk101 plurkshop. Our bad.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Connie, only hat I ever wear is as cowboy hat. ;-) It's brown. There are no hats, only risks/ethics
  • LindaZ
    THX jennifer... have google alerts for my company, name and my specialty, never thought of competitors... that will keep me on my toes
  • emsgeiss says
    JenniferLaycock...I haven't yet, but folks at the writer's forum (AW) do w/blog carnival
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Exactly, track comments on words indirectly related to you. Caribou tracked Starbucks and capitalized with SB screwed up
  • Connie
    Spinopsys thanks for info. Have not hosted w/ CoverItLive but attended live event -- birth of a Twitter friend's daughter. It was moving.
  • emsgeiss says
    at least that's how I understand blog carnival to be.
  • DebInAustin says
    I use google alerts for my political PR work- every key word related to my person/issue possible. It's a lot, but helps me keep up
  • Tim Jackson
    Jennifer- another great point. I don't directly ask them to have conversations on their own sites, but I encourage it by participating there
  • JenniferLaycock says
    emsgeiss oh, great point. Blog Carnivals are an excellent example of just that. Encourage bloggers to take it home and make it their own.
  • LindaZ
    Plurk newbies will read and lurk and may learn how we play on plurk... then they will come and participate with us
  • Connie
    templestark not to exclude newbies, just meaning that this is happening so fast they might be overwhelmed by conversation & not participate
  • Te-ge
    LSFloyd we had 2 threads going last night and was really impossible to keep up.
  • emsgeiss says
    I like the idea though...just haven't jumped in the pool yet.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    emsgeiss Yep, used to do a breastfeeding carnival with The Lactivist. They work great at spreading convo around
  • DebInAustin says
    when doing a blog carnival research for quality, I did one, then regretted it when I saw who I was lumped in with.
  • Connie says
    I was just thinking of blog carnivals.
  • DebInAustin says
    I like the idea of blog carnivals, but go for quality.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Tim, but what about actively encouraging it...having a tag at the end of each post welcoming them to do so? Value in that?
  • Beth Harte says
    I have tried Addictomatic for myself and work
  • LindaZ
    We could have a plurkshop to teach newbies how to plurk on plurk and all the ways to work the timeline... they keep getting overwhelmed
  • Te-ge
    wonders why we couldn't set up our own SM blog carnival?
  • MackCollier says
    templeshark Plurk has a STEEP learning curve, just dont want to scare any newbies off with how fast this thread is moving
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Connie, They're great, with the right crowd. As Deb says, you have to ersearch it. 5 of us ran one, invited guest entries. Worked great!
  • MackCollier says
    Connie notice the one that didn't like Plurk has come in and taken over?!?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Teeg, sure, it's crazy easy. Happy to help with that if anyone wants. Done them for more than a year.
  • Te-ge thinks
    she almost has the workbook done for your plurkshop 101 lindaZ :-)
  • Connie
    LindaZ, we are planning a plurkshop for newbies.
  • Connie
    I say "we," it's whoever wants to join in.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    LOL. :-P Mack. :-P That's the benefit of typing 120wpm
  • Tim Jackson
    Jennifer- yes, total value in that. Another thing I have done before is grab a quote, w/ link from another blog & post on mine.
  • seerysm says
    Video responses on sites like seesmic present an interesting challenge - that content isn't indexable by search engines (yet)
  • mleis
    A blog carnival with it's own widget to show the other posts/responses. That would be neat
  • AmberCadabra says
    if we keep getting this kind of Plurkshop interest, we'll def need to consider forum options
  • emsgeiss says
    sorry that took so long ..had 2 get link & tiny it.
  • Te-ge
    jenniferlaycock I think a plurk carnival would be neat! Not sure i have the time to set it up, but would gladly help someone else :-)
  • Tim Jackson
    Bringing the conversation back to my house, but encouraging folks to visit the source.
  • JenniferLaycock says
    It's all in the format. I LOVE this kind of talk and I don't get it much with "my" crowd. :-& SEOs...
  • Connie says
    Teeg - we have a site/plan for your book. Let's talk!
  • Connie
    Teeg, I think doing our own social media blog carnival would be a good idea.
  • templestark says
    just what connie says - the "non-newbies" seem overwhelmed too. i just called this wading in shallow pool - right before waterfall
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Connie, nope. Could never use it "straight" but in this conversation style, it rocks.
  • Te-ge says
    Sure! :-)
  • Tim Jackson
    I think that is a nice compromise. People can comment on my site or follow the link back to the originator.
  • MackCollier says
    Jenn does that mean your crowd is know-it-alls? (s_LOL)
  • emsgeiss says
    Convo is over 400 replies in under an hour FYI
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Tim, exactly! Experienced bloggers do that all the time, but a lot of folks auto comment, don't think to "bring it home."
  • AmberCadabra
    would be happy to dedicate some time to helping with a blog carnival even tho i'm clueless LOL
  • LindaZ
    I will play with you all on the plurk 101 and invite all my lagard tweeples
  • Beth Harte says
    A thought...SM experts for specific prod. lines/srvcs. to manage convos w/customers and to 'listen' for new prod. enhancements. My utopia
  • JenniferLaycock says
    LOL...No, it means they're...let's not go there. :-) They'll kick me out. :-)
  • DebInAustin says
    I'd be happy to work on that with you Amber
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Tim, but you know, people "remember" when we remind them. Maybe we shoudl be PUSHING fragmentation ourselves? Embrace and spread it
  • Beth Harte says
    it would be their job to manage the channels.
  • JenniferLaycock thinks
    she's being an awful mom leaving her kid up because she doesn't awnt to miss any convo here :'-(
  • emsgeiss says
    would be agreat idea...the plurk blog carnival
  • AmberCadabra
    Deb fab - we can hopefully snag some of Jen's wisdom
  • Te-ge is
    getting excited about this...a carnival and plurkshop will also put plurk out there more, and give it more "credit"
  • templestark says
    RE seerysm - Video as biz tools/ means to an end, is overrated, I believe but am often wrong.
  • Beth Harte says
    i like the idea of embracing fragmentation
  • AmberCadabra
    cripes, get up to pee and have to scroll back a mile LOL. I LOVE it!
  • emsgeiss says
    TimJackson when you say the source, you mean the source of where they saw the orig. post or link or whatev?
  • JenniferLaycock thinks
    Beth ditto...I see the frustration, but again, my SEO mind says "spread it! spread it far and wide!!" Then worry about tracking
  • Tim Jackson
    Phil- Thanks brother. Jennifer- I agree that seeking that wider convo is wonderful. I comment all over the map seeking ways to do that.
  • templestark says
    I've fanned a few here, I am fascinated and want to subscribe to your newsletter. :-D
  • emsgeiss says
    JenniferLaycock...I sent min on pre-bed walk with Daddy LOL, sun finally went down here
  • DebInAustin says
    AmberCadabra I hear You! I haven't had dinner yet and it's killing me, but I know if I leave...
  • Tim Jackson
    It's not easy to go back and find them all, but they take the time to find me- it's the least I can do.
  • emsgeiss says
    as in just now, and it's still kinda light out
  • JenniferLaycock thinks
    she's going to have to test out this "pushing fragmentation" thing on her blog...this is worth testing.
  • DebInAustin says
    bethharte a group of blogers post around a similar topic hosted by one blogger- a carnival of posts
  • Tim Jackson
    My goal all along has been to create a person for people to relate to- that's me. If they relate to me, then by extension maybe the brand.
  • seerysm says
    I think webcasts/ conferences that are available in video formats like what you find on Ustream have a ton of potential for business
  • MackCollier says
    Amber 460 replies in first hour, best ever I think (g_worship)
  • JenniferLaycock thinks
    Blog Carnival: One topic, bunch of bloggers post on same day, all link to each other's perspectives. Great link/traffic/convo driver
  • Connie says
    The longer these get, the more we need someone to recap them the next day, like Amber did before.
  • emsgeiss says
    TimJackson, I think that's exactly what Mack was getting at in his post @ Viral Garden
  • MackCollier says
    Connie I have almost given up, gonna have to read thread again tomorrow
  • AmberCadabra
    JenniferLaycock agree with you. Worth testing. I plan to post about it and test it, even with my lil' readership LOL
  • Beth Harte says
    fragmentation makes sense to me b'cause that's human nature, people skip around.
  • Beth Harte says
    a blog carnival sounds great, count me in for one!
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Yep, would love to see a recap of this. Hard to follow, even as a fast reader
  • emsgeiss says
    Connie...we'll need a recap and a kind of defragging the convo. LOL
  • emsgeiss says
    hard to type too..even as a fast typist
  • Te-ge has
    a list of many of the bloggers from her friends list and what they blog about...would that help with the carnival?
  • Connie
    Know what? Would love to have this conversation as a virtual panel -- webinar, Second Life, something. Fantastic conversation!
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Amber, I think several of us should all try it. Track average number of inbound links to each post before and after. I'm up for it.
  • emsgeiss says
    with these kind of convos, none of *us* will need BrainAge
  • Tim Jackson
    Erika- yes, exactly. I find something and then I encourage folks to visit that space when I mention it. I like to "share the wealth".
  • Lux says
    Tim -- that doesn't scale well, there's no one person who can represent ALL of the brands at my co.
  • AmberCadabra
    I'm happy to keep summarizing our plurkshops but we need to get the site set up so I can do it there.
  • Connie
    I think we have fragmented our own conversation/plurkshop, simply because of information overload. My Mighty Brain is aching. :-)
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Nice job Amber,this convo is enough to bring me back for future Plurkshops, even if I hate "standard" Plurk ;-)
  • emsgeiss says
    Connie...we'd need a pretty big webinar/conf room though, wouldn't you think?
  • Connie
    Teeg, I think to start out we should limit it to people participating here, kind of a pre-screening for quality/topic.
  • Connie
    Then we could expand later.
  • Te-ge thinks
    fragmenting like this is good though...we can always come back to the other topics to add more depth
  • AmberCadabra
    connie i was reading your mind. need to limit some participation to start with and get a handle on things
  • Beth Harte says
    Folks, need to pack it in. Will read this tomorrow. ambercadabera, thanks for kicking this off! Again, learned a ton of new apps.
  • Connie
    Amber, let's work on the site this week. Have it up before next plurkshop. We'll transfer your recaps to the new site.
  • bigepaz says
    I'm learning a lot just by lurking. but excluding us newbies sounds disingenuous
  • emsgeiss says
    Tim that's my thought too..it's about sharing, connecting...but then, I'm the "hippie mama" amongst my friends lol
  • seerysm says
    enjoyed this - thanks to everyone that participated!
  • Connie
    Erika, yes would need big room but know places/companies that do that. Maybe they could host?
  • AzWebDude is
    still rather lost on Plurk, telling me to go to another thread?? what threads.. BUT greta chat and lots of new apps..
  • AmberCadabra
    pchaney reserved the plurkshops domain, so that would be the place to summarize these. My blog might not be the right vehicle
  • JenniferLaycock says
    I don't like the idea of excluding folks either...surely there's a platform that can handle it all.
  • emsgeiss says
    bigepaz I don't think the intent was to exclude newbies...just make one that might not be as intimidating esp. if one is shy/introverted
  • Beth Harte says
    even though it's tough to keep up, and I'd hate for folks to be excluded, I think it needs to be that way...at least to test it out.
  • Tim Jackson
    Rachel- I agree, it's harder when you have multiple products. You need brand champions. That's really my job (among other things).
  • Connie
    Thanks to everyone -- this has been awesome.
  • acnatta says
    hello but plans to just hang out on the sidelines and read...
  • AzWebDude feels
    as far as new readers or control of content.. new/good content keeps readers coming back and new ones joining
  • servantofchaos says
    Connie ... SL might be the best way to do this ... but does it capture the threads?
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Amber, but summarize there and invite everyone else to link to summary with their own blog post/take on the convo.
  • emsgeiss says
    Connie...I know ivocalize does, but they can be a bit $$$
  • JenniferLaycock says
    That will build up links to the new site, index it faster, get you ranking for hot topics of discussion ;-)
  • Connie
    One hour and over 500 comments. Will really enjoy rereading this tomorrow.
  • AmberCadabra
    bigepaz no intention of excluding newbies at all, just asking them to sign up is all
  • Beth Harte says
    theGypsy is going to try cliques for daily SEO Plurkshops...we'll see how that works out.
  • emsgeiss says
    and it's a platform w/a whiteboard & Web interface as well as chat/sound I just presented at a conf. on ivocalize earlier this month
  • AmberCadabra
    Jen, I will totally do that esp. when we get the site up and going
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Connie, surely with this crowd we can find a company to sponsor? Then RSVP up to a certain audience size. First come, first serve
  • Connie
    bigepaz Welcome! We do not want to exclude anyone. We just thought that this might have been overwhelming to someone new to Plurk.
  • Te-ge says
    theGypsy was the SEO guy I was thinking earlier should be here. :-)
  • AzWebDude thinks
    amberCadabra should post that at the top.. I think I am signed up but not sure
  • theGypsy says
    too much fragmentation isn't great IMO.... since I was tasked earlier to do some SEO PlurkShops this thread is quite educational....
  • Connie
    Gavin, I think you can do that in SL. Question there is whether you do voice or text.
  • emsgeiss says
    bethharte (hi!) I'm still figuring out how to do / sign up for cliques
  • MackCollier says
    Connie I'm already thinking about how many blog posts I could get from this
  • emsgeiss says
    night beth
  • Te-ge
    laughs Ask and you shall receive (the Gypsy)
  • Connie
    Jennifer, I think you're right and I have contacts at a couple of companies. Will check with them about hosting.
  • theGypsy says
    one needs multiple threads IMO and I am also having peeps *sign up* so I can use cliques for them... makes it easier to find them later
  • MackCollier says
    also thinking how a company could do this internally with a clique of just their employees, have a 'brainstorming' session on a set topic
  • acnatta thinks
    cliques are a great idea - the cool thing about the plurkshops were having convos in small groups
  • bigepaz says
    Connie - thanks. for me the topic was more overwhelming than the speed of the plurks. I for one get more replies on plurk than blogs
  • MackCollier says
    there's your business use for Plurk ;-)
  • acnatta will
    agree with Rachel about a good old fashioned chat room though
  • Connie
    Erika, you can't join a clique. Name is misleading. It's really just a group mailing list created by individual plurker.
  • AmberCadabra
    connie let me know if you need a hand organizing. i'm not as up with the tools, but can help coordinate if you need me.
  • theGypsy says
    for the life of me can't see a dedicated convo on social media... this one seems to drift... thus specific threads for centric convos
  • bigepaz loves
    the idea of Plurkshops, no matter how overwhelming it gets. thanks everyone!
  • Connie
    bigepaz The topic is HUGE. Bet we could do a whole series of these and not cover the topic. Glad you joined us.
  • AmberCadabra
    i created a plurkshoppers clique but quickly realized that i was bound to omit people unwillingly
  • LindaZ
    night to all really enjoyed reading your plurks learned a lot, please let us at least lurk (s_bye)
  • emsgeiss says
    Mack's right about the biz idea for Plurk
  • Connie
    Amber, I will definitely need help organizing it. Limited time, but have some good contacts and ideas. Let's do it!
  • ckeithley says
    I wish I hadn't joined the party late. But, I finally joined Plurk, which is something.
  • Te-ge thinks
    when you get several people talking about anything, the subject tends to drift naturally unless 1 person keeps everyone on subject
  • AzWebDude feels
    amberCadabra that they should sign up.. its ok...new to this and its flying.. learned new things
  • Connie says
    Lurkers are *always* welcome. So are participants, newbies to pros alike.
  • MackCollier says
    i have no idea what you guys are talking about organizing, def have to re-read tomorrow ;-)
  • AmberCadabra says
    I'm so GLAD for everyone here and I'm thrilled y'all stuck out the fast pace. My head hurts LOL
  • Te-ge says
    connie hope you know you can call on me for anything you need, just let me know. :-)
  • AzWebDude feels
    teeg is correct when it comes to replying to a topic, thats why new threads need starting..and some need to die
  • Te-ge
    theGypsy I'd love to help with yours too if there's anything I could do
  • emsgeiss says
    I agree w/Teeg...it's not like we're following Robert's Rules of order
  • Connie
    ckeithley Yep you're late to the party -- but we have them all the time, so scroll back and enjoy reading & watch for the next one!
  • CallKathy is
    not going to be able to keep up with the plurkshop tonight for many reasons. *wonders* if it will be republished anywhere
  • AzWebDude thinks
    (hard to do at this moment to) that amberCadabra did a great job, also that she owes pitcchers of margarittas
  • Connie
    Agree that the conversation drifts on these plurkshops; nature of people and tools.
  • DebInAustin says
    thanks everyone! I gotta grab some chow! I look forward to reading the thread tomorrow. Great job Amber & crew!
  • AmberCadabra
    callkathy I'm going to summarize and post to my blog about it, so I'll plurk the link. Check back on this thread and the timeline
  • Connie
    Other alternative is for host to moderate; this forum not ideal for moderation though.
  • AzWebDude wishes
    the same as callKathy HEY KATHY that this whole thing is posted somewhere for all the great tools mentioned!
  • Tim Jackson
    My head hurts too Amber- but it could be the skull fracture and 3 cracked vertebrae. Maybe. I dunno.
  • Beth Harte says
    teeg, I don't think David's on the PlurkShop, you might want to plurk him in another plurk...
  • MackCollier says
    569 replies in 75 mins
  • seerysm says
    beat THAT friendfeed ;-)
  • templestark
    agrees a more narrowly defined topic would help immensely. A little moderator, hence the "hosting duties."
  • acnatta says
    well I'll eventually catch up on this one later on to find out what happened and drop notes to folks later on
  • AzWebDude asks
    does Summize or something similar track this..outside of plurk?
  • AmberCadabra
    thanks all but I did very little. I'll do my part by recapping and posting by tomorrow. I'll link in this thread and on the timeline.
  • Te-ge says
    Thanks bethharte hadn't realized he'd left. I'll do that. :-)
  • MackCollier says
    the ultimate irony is that I've added about 7 Twitter followers since I started yammerin about THIS convo there!
  • Connie
    seerysm Amen, sister! (to FriendFeed comment)
  • Te-ge thinks
    recapping this one is going to be a big job in itself :-)
  • ckeithley will
    be ready for the next Plurkshop. Thanks for the warmwelcome :-D
  • AmberCadabra
    i think some topic refinement is good, and we should talk about moderation that will be helpful and not limit the conversation
  • MackCollier says
    I would have gotten about 7 in last hour if I had been talking ON twitter instead
  • beckymccray thinks
    this seems like Open Mic Night at Liz Strauss's.
  • CallKathy asks
    that the link be plurked in another plurk as well as here. and is glad that it will be blogged!
  • Te-ge
    agrees with seerysm...Friendfeed has NOTHING on this! :-)
  • AzWebDude shares
    that I too was on Twitter at the start...so doing both was difficult
  • JenniferLaycock says
    Hmm, I think I can pull at least a dozen blog posts out of this convo, now THERE is biz value. ;-)
  • jcass is
    amazed how something everyone thinks is waste of time can be use to this great conversation. (s_dance)
  • Te-ge
    tells callkathy if you click on the RSS feed up at the top of this page, you can subscribe to this and open it whenever you want.
  • templestark
    glad to meet y'all. I need to breathe again. Bailing out the hatch . Thanks.
  • Connie
    Food for thought: we could limit plurkshops to 10 ppl per thread; have simultaneous threads going. Limiting would be done by using cliques.
  • Tim Jackson
    Ok, gotta run pleople. The food I put in the oven is now on fire!
  • emsgeiss says
    AmberCadabra thanks for hosting. I have to bail for a bit..the boys are back from their walk. But I'll see you all in a bit, I'm sure.
  • Te-ge says
    keep an eye on your cliques though, they have a bug right now
  • MackCollier says
    right seerysm, if we did this on Friendfeed, it would have about 40 replies at best now
  • emsgeiss says
    This as been just awesome! (s_bye)
  • AmberCadabra
    I have a zillion blog post ideas from this too. Ouch. Need to filter brain.
  • Te-ge says
    cliques have a tendency to drop people...one that should have 30 people in it only sends to you connie.
  • MackCollier says
    LMAO! Tim be careful Mr. Mom!!!!
  • Te-ge
    thegypsy had this problem today too, one of his dropped from a large group to 4 people
  • AzWebDude thinks
    that FF too if you have the right box checked would vere off all over..
  • AmberCadabra
    connie i like simultaneous threads, but still want a way for everyone to participate. I'm not giving up yet.
  • MackCollier says
    Jennifer it's a race to SEG!!!!
  • Connie
    Thanks for the tip, Teeg. Had no idea since I haven't been using cliques.
  • MackCollier says
    bethharte suggested that we have a Plurk 101 and Plurk 201 plurkshops going at same time, might be good idea
  • Connie asks
    Mack, which would you rather have. 40 comments in a day or two. Or 615 in less than 2 hrs.?
  • Te-ge
    noticed it when her marketing clique would only send you LOL
  • AzWebDude thinks
    it would be cool for each thread to have a title like on seesmic, where there are multiple convos going, but you can respond where u want
  • AmberCadabra
    i think really tightening the topic might help a great deal
  • AzWebDude thinks
    the basic, how to respond etc can be a link at the top of this convo..thats all i was looking for..i went to twitter to get the answer
  • MackCollier says
    Connie good point, depends on how 'deep' the comments go, if they build on each other, think 40 in a couple of days would be better
  • MackCollier says
    i think we need to tweak this to maximize value, it's almost too active
  • AzWebDude says
    AmberCadabra , true, but this topic is soo wide open, controlling that range may be tough..
  • AzWebDude says
    teeg I think you are on twitter, can you DM me?
  • Te-ge
    wonders if a big plurkshop like this once a week, and then plurkshops evolved from that conversation over the rest of the week would work?
  • Connie
    MackCollier, agree that this is too overwhelming to be workable. We have to tweak it here, or try diferent venue such as CoverItLive.
  • Te-ge is
    and can...are you AzWebDude there too?
  • Connie
    We need to count up how many different people participated. It was way busier than usual. I loved it, but it was hard to follow that fast.
  • ericaogrady says
    feeling a little bit late to the party - but Hello All You Social Media Superstars :-)
  • AmberCadabra
    mackcollier agree with you. Maybe a handful of us can brainstorm on a different thread.
  • AzWebDude thinks
    mini topics of sorts, maybe Tuesdays are "blog days", I teach so I see the power of this..as well as the confusion/slow it down/this is cool
  • Connie says
    Hey, ericaogrady. You missed the live action, but we'll we back with more plurkshop fun and conversation.
  • Te-ge is
    rather impressed with Plurk for keeping up with this.
  • acnatta
    enjoys seeing the convos but misses some of the interaction of the earlier ones...
  • Connie
    Teeg, you have a point. We would have seen Moby Twit about 1/4 of the way in. :-)
  • AbleReach says
    I lurked this time. Cool experiment.
  • Te-ge
    pointed out to a friend yesterday that Plurk is in beta...and still having less problems that twitter which should be in beta.
  • acnatta thinks
    lurking was fun this time to see where the convos went...
  • AmberCadabra
    doesn't count lurkers of course
  • AzWebDude asks
    if anyone here is woth Plurk? or is that a "show", "broadcast", or what
  • Te-ge thinks
    this one felt rushed, but still there is something to a huge chat. Definitely not all the time, but good sometimes.
  • Connie
    ablereach Thanks for lurking. Glad you enjoyed the experiment -- we're trying to figure out the best way to include lots of ppl.
  • Te-ge
    AzWebDude None of us are with Plurk, it's just that this is a good medium to have discussions like these.
  • MackCollier says
    ok guys I have to duck out for a while, will be back later or tomorrow, just amazing thread everyone! Amber! (g_worship)
  • Connie
    Teeg, one thing we could do is for some of us really talkative ones (ahem, like me) to agree to take a back seat and lurk.
  • Connie
    Maybe we should invite someone w/ Plurk to join us, and show how we're using the cool site they built.
  • Te-ge
    always enjoys your input connie. :-)
  • Te-ge
    I wonder if we took these discussions and split them into natural breaks, could they then be posted as a blog post?
  • Te-ge
    That would give others the opportunity to read managable posts and join in the discussion without a time limit
  • AmberCadabra
    connie i thought about that! be the facilitators and then just hush LOL but then peeps would miss having perspective from some veterans
  • AzWebDude asks
    teeg, once I got a few things I was ok.. lol if being 200 msgs behind is ok..i loved the value of new stuff I got.. now to play
  • Te-ge
    rickwolff This one's ending, but we have them frequently :-)
  • AmberCadabra
    rickwolff well, the whirlwind is certainly past, i think. but bookmark the page and you can catch up later, and join the next one
  • AzWebDude loves
    the term " veterans" that AmberCadabra used..LOL veterans in something that is not even a year old maybe
  • AmberCadabra
    oh i meant more topic-related veterans than Plurk veterans LOL
  • MarketingMag says
    wow - so late to this excellent initiative. As a publisher, I'm forever chasing interesting stories and conversations.
  • AzWebDude will
    be back for the next one if someone tells him about it..going to make dinner.. margarittas(AmberCadabra) and gonna go see what all I missed.
  • Te-ge thinks
    AmberCadabra probably means social media veterans...some of us have been doing this a while.
  • MarketingMag says
    a Plurkshop specifically on listening and monitoring tools would be a great resource.
  • AzWebDude is
    following all of those and some on Twitter.. thanks!!! assuming twitter works and I see teh twitt...
  • AmberCadabra
    i'm with ya! Twitter has been more than frustrating these days.
  • Amie says
    holy frak, I am late to this party. And just read allll of what came above before posting. Great social media meta to ponder!
  • Amie says
    I will definitely have to re-read this all tomorrow with fresh eyeballs.
  • MapleMama asks
    if there were be a synopsis or plurkpoint of this. I can't read all this tonight! :'-(
  • rumford thinks
    that the fact that you can have all the comments on one page on plurk is truly amazing
  • Connie says
    rumford - so good to see you here! I love the threaded comments here & opening it up in page view really makes it easier to read.
  • Connie says
    Hope you'll join us for another plurkshop. Lots of good discussions going on around here.
  • -vanMaanen- says
    Good stuff! Dropped in too late, hope to see more soon.

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