AmberCadabra PLURKSHOP: Social Media dialogue across multiple channels: managing and learning from it. I'm kicking us off a bit early...

684 responses to this plurk.

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  June 30, 2008 at 00:26 AmberCadabra For easiest following, open the Plurk Page link on the bottom right of this window, and open in a new tab
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:26 templestark ok, i'm here, drink in hand.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:27 AmberCadabra Also a quick note: connie has smartly started us a Plurkshop account for easier hosting in future.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:27 Tim Jackson Howdy Amber!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:27 AmberCadabra To follow future plurkshops, be sure and follow "Plurkshops" timeline
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:27 Teeg says Great idea, Connie!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 AmberCadabra Hi Tim and templestark, glad to have you!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 MackCollier says gonna tweet it! Guys make sure your followers know
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 Beth Harte says Hi ambercadabra!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 Connie says TIP: you may have to manually refresh this page if you're viewing in a separate tab. But it's much easier to keep up with this way.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 seerysm says smart! but it is sort of fun having someone host it each time. Sort of like a group taking turns meeting at each others houses
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 LindaZ hello amber, nice to meet you
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:28 mleis says what's the url?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:29 templestark says connie is smart. Great idea.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:30 Tim Jackson Yes, Connie's a smart dame. Amber's up there too...
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:30 AmberCadabra Hi everyone! The url for tonight's plurkshop is www.plurk.com/p/v4rf
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:30 Connie says seerysm We will still have someone different host it each time, but easier to have it in one location. We will give host the acct password.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:30 Teeg plurkshops
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:30 Connie says says We are also going to cross timezones and spread them out so our UK and Aussie friends (and others) can join more conveniently.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:30 Teeg says nope, without the "s" connie??
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:31 templestark says dang seerysm has a good point too. Still there can always be one person to take hosting "duties."
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:31 Connie says no, it's just plurkshop
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:31 MackCollier says so comments comments everywhere, good or bad?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:31 AmberCadabra sorry, that was my typo
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:31 emsgeiss says Hi everyone!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:32 ThoughtWrong is here
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:32 AmberCadabra Thanks for kicking us off, Mack!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:32 servantofchaos says Connie timezones are always tricky for me ... this works nicely!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:32 MackCollier says sorry didnt mean to hijack out of the gate
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:32 Connie says I think fragmentation is inevitable and we might as well embrace it. Community trumps control.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:32 lizstrauss says Hiya guys! MackCollier, It's hard to keep track . . . so much time just finding them.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 Beth Harte says hi mleis, nice to meet another local!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 Tim Jackson Glad to see so many faces already.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 servantofchaos says I used to use CoComment to try and track my own comments, but it kept failing -- now I am out of the habit
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 ConnieFoggles says Hello! Nice to meet you!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 AmberCadabra mackcollier don't be silly. Hijack away. I'm just the thread starter.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 mleis asks Who cares where? As long as they get back w/o killing me
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 MackCollier says i can see both sides....i want people to be able to leave feedback whereever they want
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 Lux says sorry I'm late
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 seerysm says I used co.mment for awhile to try and aggregate some comment and discussion threads
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 Tim Jackson Yes, I mostly use Goodle Alerts and Technorati.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 TerenceChang says what now?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:33 Connie says lizstrauss we have to keep developing and using new tools to track the conversation, but the genie is out of the bottle, in my opinion.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:34 Tim Jackson I know there are better ways, but those work well enough.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:34 MackCollier says but on flipside, fragmented feedback can lessen chances for a convo to develop if feedback was centralized
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:34 Tim Jackson Yes- finding them all is going to be impossible.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:34 Tim Jackson There is something about the hunt though.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 MackCollier says for example, what if we all committed to blog about this topic today, instead of meet here? the fragmented feeback wont match convo here
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 servantofchaos says TimJackson ... yes I rely on Google alerts and Technorati too ... but they dont keep all the threads together
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 AmberCadabra Hate to keep using Chris as an example, but he mentioned this yesterday on his blog.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 Lux says as someone with limited time and a LOT I need to follow, fragmentation increases the chance I miss something important.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 MsHerr says re: comments ... good to thread them w/ the content the refer to & comments are convo facilitators
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 puresurplus thinks u should just host a plurkshop on talkshoe
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 Tim Jackson Correct Gavin.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 Connie asks MackCollier the $64K question: how can you centralize feedback?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 AmberCadabra A bunch of comments moved to FriendFeed and he missed them
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 seerysm says I know rely on google alerts - but have found no real clean way to organize. But I want the interaction, no matter where it takes place
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 LindaZ is it not easier to see it all with the new search tool
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 templestark says always wanted software to track my comments everywhere. comment when something stirs ya or to help friends.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 ggroovin says sup? How's this thing sposed to work?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 MackCollier says Connie what do you think about the plugins that pull Friendfeed comments and put them back on your blog?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:35 MsHerr says and aggregation sometimesleads to disjointed or tangental convos that lose relevance to the initial content
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:36 lizstrauss says connie I so agree that we never could control the conversation. Now it just feels like we're supposed to follow all of it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:36 MackCollier says I think its a tradeoff, you want people to be able to have their say where THEY want, but fragmentation lessens chance for conversation
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:36 AmberCadabra ggroovin however you like! Feel free to read, listen, and jump in wherever.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:36 Connie says ggroovin Plurkshop is group chat about single topic. If you keep this convo open in separate tab, easier to follow. Chime in when ready.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:36 herb shares in FF, auto reload this page every xx seconds
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:37 emsgeiss says I use google alerts & technorati too and serph, which I just discovered
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:37 templestark says tangents are death to many good conversations. so something like this with a frame of mind set at beginning seems useful
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:37 AmberCadabra spinopsys that's a great tool for Twitter, but what happens when comments start branching off to other sites?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:37 Tim Jackson Mack- good point, but I really enjoy tracking people down and commenting in their turf. It feels natural.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:37 emsgeiss says but I don't think serph picks up technorati yet
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:37 MackCollier says for example, one night Kr8tr posted a link to a blog post of his, asking for comments, Scoble told everyone instead to comment on it @FF
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 LindaZ would the hashtags and surmize work on plurks too?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 seerysm says downside: Part of what's great about group convo is what's learned from each other - when convo happens in multiple places context gets lost
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 MsHerr thinks the contextual linkage/fragmentation questions also raises the question about cross-posting
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 servantofchaos says I did a search the other day on Addictomatic and found all these conversations ABOUT me that I was not part of!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 Connie following Mack's thought, then it helps to have something like this plurkshop where we have a central place for comments at least for a time
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 MackCollier says Rob wanted the conversation on HIS blog, Scoble tried to 'hijack' it to Friendfeed
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 Teeg says one problem with blogs (and reason people are posting other places) comes down to who owns the comments...commenter or blogger?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 LindaZ I agree wit seerysm... better if it is all in one place but I understand that is not always possible
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 puresurplus feels like this is already giving me a headache
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:38 MackCollier says Rob got mad cause Scoble was trying to move the conversation, but I could kinda see where Scoble had the right to try to have it on FF
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 templestark says loves hash tags but keeps on forgetting to use them on Twitter.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 Tim Jackson For example, I tracked down Spinospsys through Technorati and over the past 3+ years we've become friends as well.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 AmberCadabra Gavin, that's exactly the hard part. Tracking down what's being said in an organized fashion and following up with all of it
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 emsgeiss says LindaZ, I don't know if surmize picks up plurks..I haven't seen any of mine over there anyway
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 MackCollier says Prob is, what if someone is active on Friendfeed, and finds your blog post there, and doesnt read your blog, if they can comment there...
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 Teeg MackCollier that was the discussion that really hit on who owns the comment though...Socble asked Rob to remove his comments, Rob denied
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 MackCollier says it could expose them to your blog
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 seerysm says over the last year, my interaction is more often on Twitter/Plurk - less on my blog - so those not there are left out of the discussions
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:39 servantofchaos says Teeg you still dont really own the conversation even if it is on FF
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:40 Connie Disagree w/ Scoble, agree w/ Mack & Tim - commenting on *their* turf is important. I love comments on my blog, even tho I enjoy this too.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:40 AmberCadabra I prefer to comment where the conversation originates (or at least where I find it), but organizing them all is a bitch.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:40 Lux says I really do not care who "owns" the comments or the content, I just want to be able to find out wtf is going on.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:40 MackCollier says Connie maybe what we need to figure out is where ppl can most easily comment on our content, and encourage it there?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 MackCollier says Maybe its our blog, or could be here, or Twitter, or friendfeed
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 Connie LOL Rachel's practicality. Good point. It's frustrating.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 Teeg says you can actually delete your comments off FF though. Scoble had commented on the blog until he and Rob got upset with each other.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 emsgeiss says blog comments are good...b/c then you can respond to a comment directly
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 Tim Jackson part of my "job" in building community is to go out into that community. Then they will come to my parties too.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 Connie plays devil's advocate. Who says we *have* to follow the conversation everywhere it goes? Especially since we don't "own" it?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 MackCollier says BTW Amber you topped 100 replies in 15 mins
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 servantofchaos says comments without context are not all that valuable. That is where blogs are great
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:41 Teeg is trying Disqus right now, heard rumors it will interact with FF at some point. That would be nice.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 Charlie asks why people get worried about comment ownership? isn't that where "famous quotes" come from... what is said?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 emsgeiss says AmberCadbra...I totally agree- prefer to comment at originating site
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 AmberCadabra I encourage peeps to comment on my blog because it's easier for me to keep in touch, but maybe that's selfish.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 emsgeiss says MackCollier's our official statistician
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 emsgeiss says
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 MackCollier says Gavin I think blogs have 'deeper' comments, we have time to reflect and better form our thoughts
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:42 Lux says I prefer comments to happen on the site of origin, yes
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 Tim Jackson I know that the time to do this is getting shorter w/ all the things on my plate, but the rewards have been many.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 MackCollier says Ericka
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 seerysm says it is similar to what you have to consider to get conversions on your site, every click they have to make, the less likely they are going to
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 Teeg says it was already splintered. I'm much more likely to comment on SU than on someone's blog unless I know them anyway.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 MackCollier says Crap Erika! Sorry about the 'c'
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 AmberCadabra Let me ask a tangential question. If you're a company and you're trying to do rep management, what's the best way to listen ?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 Connie Wish I could star Gavin's last comment (servantofchaos)
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 emsgeiss says AmberCadabra, I don't think it's selfish, it makes sense...I like it when there are mult. streams of dialog, but "beef" of disc. is @ blog
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:43 seerysm says if someone has a thought about ur blog post I want them to easily be able to do that where they want at their convenience - it is up to them
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 Lux says Tim, yes, me too. I need to stay involved & gain trust. I can't do that if I can't find the party.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 AzWebDude is ok so someone explain PLurk..how this works btw MsHerr sent me here
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 templestark says likes comments at his blog(s) because then I havebetter hope the context is correct.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 emsgeiss says np MackCollier
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 servantofchaos asks is all this conversation pointless without a destination? If we are engaging with conversation, is there is an objective other than buzz?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 Connie AmberCadabra reputation monitoring: develop so many Google alerts that you finally give up & use a company like Radian6 (lebrun here).
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 Tim Jackson I am in favor of the conversation staying in one spot, but let's face it- isn't going to. Again, this goes back to the notion of control.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 Lux says Amber - when you find out please let me know!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:44 MackCollier says AzWebDude why dont you ask that question in a different thread?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:45 nwjerseyliz is finding Plurk and finding people on it incomprehensible
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:45 MackCollier says Tim should we try to 'move' it via blog plugins?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:45 emsgeiss says templestark....hopefully though, when ppl post link to blog, it gets followed b4 commenting @ 2ndary site begins...kinda like "RTFA" ?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:45 Teeg wonders if FF just brought it out in the open that the conversation ISN'T at one spot? It actually hasn't been for years.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:45 MsHerr says timjackson raises a good point about reciprocity. if we want others to play w/ us, we need play w/ them too. but it needs to be authentic.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:46 ggroovin says tho I'm not a blogger, I do think if I were & comments to my original thots weren't left on my blog I might have one less reason to continue
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:46 AmberCadabra I'm going to start a plurk help thread over yonder
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:46 seerysm says we can't control readers, and they want content portability, even the comment content - they want to read and respond where/when they want
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:46 Connie AzWebDude Easiest if you open this conversation in a separate tab so it scrolls vertically. www.plurk.com/p/v4rf
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:46 Teeg agrees with seerysm, was thinking the same thing
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:46 ggroovin says if someone wants to take my thots & start a conversation elsewhere, as long as I get credit & a reference that'd be OK.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 nwjerseyliz is finding that there are more comments than she can read, constantly refreshing and playing catch-up
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 Tim Jackson Amber, I try to listen every way I can. Google searches, Technorati, etc. I try it all. It is not efficient, but I don't think it will be.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 MackCollier says Teeg that's true, I know some bloggers that will email me to thank me for commenting on their blog, but then convo builds via email not blog
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 Teeg says as bloggers, it's our business to find the feeds...our customers have no reason to keep everything in front of us.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 LindaZ comment on blogs is the best, the person gets to really share what they think, feel and want to tell U plus they have more than 140character
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 JenniferLaycock is You know, from a search optimization perspective, I like the convo in multiple places, as long as they link
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 Connie says Teeg makes a good point. FF just highlighted the fact that the conversation was already fragmented.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 Tim Jackson I do believe we have to go where the comments are- as a company. If I find a new blog comment or convo, I go visit and comment back.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:47 MackCollier says nwjerseyliz it moves fast, stay in it!!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 JenniferLaycock is Also, with the convo in multiple places, more people have a chance to join in.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 emsgeiss says it's too bad you can't ping back comments regardless of where they happen
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 Teeg has been using SU for 3 years and before that other social sites. Conversations about blogs were always on the other sites...
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 Connie says Spoken like a true search maven, JenniferLaycock.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 codyrobert says it's nicer to respond to a comment when it's somewhere you know it'll be, ie, on your blog. rather than off somewhere you mightn't look
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 emsgeiss says JenniferLaycock is right...it does allow for greater engagement
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 MackCollier says Jennifer try, but fragmented means it could be harder to grow into robust convo at one place, like blog
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 Tim Jackson If I find a new blog or comment, I try to go there and comment back. Even if weeks later. That has really helped me w/ outreach.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 Teeg and only rarely on the actual blogs
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 JenniferLaycock is There are only positives to more people in the convo. I say spread it everywhere! Just learn to track.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:48 Lux says Tim - what do you think of Radian6?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 servantofchaos says JenniferLaycock ... LOL -- good point
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 Tim Jackson I've got a core of really good "fans" in Minneapolis because I tracked back one comment on one blog. Now I have a great group of many blogs.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 JenniferLaycock is Mack, sure, harder to have robust conversation, but easier to have convo go in different directions...
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 DebInDenver says hi gang. Dog trainer stayed forever! So I m am just hopping on.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 AmberCadabra jenniferlaycock that's a great point abt reaching a larger audience and engaging more people
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 MackCollier says true, i am really playing devil's advocate, cause I can see both sides on this one
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:49 Connie says Gavin and Tim are speaking as company reps looking for the conversation, as is Rachel.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 Tim Jackson Rachel- I'm gonna admit that I have no idea what it is. I'm still a techno-doofus.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 JenniferLaycock is A lot of times, different blogs or communities view witha different spin, which adds even more value to convo
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 servantofchaos says I guess it all depends on your strategy -- what is the conversation and where are you trying to drive it to?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 Connie Others see this from a blogger's perspective; Jennifer brings a search guru's perspective. That's what makes this great.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 AmberCadabra it's the "learn to track" part that can be brain damaging.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 MackCollier says Tim that's great, see so many companies dont think to do that, follow the comments back
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 DebInDenver says AmberCadabra www.plurk.com/p/v4rf#response-5879665
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:50 JenniferLaycock is Thanks Amber. I mean isn't fragmentation the very definition of "loss of control" and isn't this what happens with Social Media?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:51 MackCollier says and Jennifer 'gets' that some of us are search idiots
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:51 DebInDenver says soory about that. Wrong message!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:51 servantofchaos says of course, as a blogger I just want to know what people are saying about me
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:51 Connie Rachel, I am using Radian6 and I like it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:51 templestark says ggroovin is going oto motivation for social media. since I'm new(ish) I'm curious. There's a lot of mixed motivations.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:51 Teeg says I know that until I blogged myself, I hated posting to blogs...it was much easier posting somewhere that my friends were and would talk
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 JenniferLaycock says Connie, both need to enter the picture. I mean social media and search are tied, whether social types like it. Have to play both strengths
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 seerysm says some combo of a convo tag along w/ RSS would work so all posts/responses get a tag where ever they happen & there's a feed for that tag
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 Lux says I am working with a very limited toolset currently
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 Connie Jennifer, agreed. Bottom line: there is not control. Impossible to get control (at this point). So what do you do about it?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 emsgeiss says Had to refresh screen. Ugh. I do the same as TimJackson re: responding to comments, regardless of age for both biz & personal blogs
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 AmberCadabra is a total search idiot. Gotta fix that.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 Tim Jackson Jennifer... I could kiss you for that comment; fragmentation, though inconvenient, spreads the conversation around to other channels.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 MackCollier says Connie what does Radian 6 give you that you can't get from monitoring via Google Blog Search/Summize/Technorati?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 JenniferLaycock says Mack, I think search is a key point many social/blog types miss. Those links are gold to you, especially if in editorial and not comments
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 codyrobert says comment pingbacks are a good compromise. still allowing user control of the conversation while relaying that info back to the blog
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:52 Lux says Connie they sound interesting, just not sure I'll have budget for their service.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 templestark says I'm all right with loss of control but what is it being controlled or uncontrolled? (Thinks of William S. Burroughs quote here)
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 JenniferLaycock says The more people who make the convo their own on their own blog, the more it boosts you. That's a good thing, if you can track
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 AmberCadabra I think you have to give up the idea of having "total" control and find the greatest common denominator
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 Connie can already see that we're going to draft Jennifer to host a plurkshop on social media and natural search.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 tdhurst asks Okay, where's the cake I'm supposed to jump out of? I'm already in costume.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 servantofchaos says I'm with you Connie, before social media we had the illusion of control. Now the conversation is audible thanks to our "digital ears"
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 MackCollier says Jennifer it seems there's a lot of SM types misunderstanding Search, and vice versa
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:53 Teeg asks is it more important to have control or to have return readers?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 JenniferLaycock says Connie, I'd love to hear more about them too, though my crowd likes the cheap stuff.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 seerysm has attended a Radian6 demo and liked it very much - but what you get out is still only as good as your search terms
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 AmberCadabra I don't want to quash the conversation at all, I just want a better way to keep up with it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 Connie Codyrobert, please explain more. Not sure I follow about comment pingback.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 templestark says For instance, this convo is hard to follow but we all get something out of it - but almost certainly something different with each of us.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 MackCollier says Teeg I think if you empower your readers, it makes them more likely to comment and return regularly
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 Tim Jackson Spinopsys- excellent point. Again, we already know we've lost control and running around is difficult, but the doors that open are great.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 servantofchaos says Spinopsys ... oh, another good topic. Anyone else live in fear of the "semantic web"
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:54 JenniferLaycock says LOL sure Connie. And I promise the topic woudln't be "game digg and fake friends for more links"
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 JenniferLaycock says How many of you are regularly checking your logs for new referrers? Not top/popular, but new?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 Teeg says there has always been social media to an extent though, whether it was a chat room or online game. SM just expanded these.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 Lux says control is an illusion at best.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 Tim Jackson Gavin- can you stop w/ the awesome quotes. You're making me feel like an idiot.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 JenniferLaycock says Whether comments are nofollowed or not, they still often send traffic, helping you track them.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 Connie Jennifer, I like the cheap stuff too, and most of us *have* to use free/cheap stuff. But there is a place for cos. like Radian6.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:55 Connie But we need to do that in a different thread or a different plurkshop.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 LindaZ Ok what are the best search across the different channels
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 AmberCadabra LOL JenniferLaycock I'd settle for "How not to be a search dumbass"
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 JenniferLaycock says servantofchaos oh my, no, embrace the semantic web! It will rock. Let us get back to natural language and not keywords
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 MackCollier says Jennifer I do
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 codyrobert connie for example a comment posted on stumbleupon, would ping the blog so the writer could see where the conversation is and respond
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 servantofchaos says I think brands and bloggers (in general) have similar objectives -- to build community. Smart brands, that is.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 ggroovin asks what is the motivation for those of you who blog? How's hearing feedback on your own blog feel compared to feedback stumbled upon elsewhere?
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:56 AzWebDude is ok didnt know I had to hit refresh (PLURK) way behind now..
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:57 MackCollier says AzWeb if you follow Amber, you can watch ir from the timeline where it updates automatically
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:57 Teeg says MackCollier I'm an introvert, sounds silly, but I HATE posting where I don't know what reaction I'll get. SM gives instant reactions
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:57 JenniferLaycock says AmberCadabra we'll so get that taken care of for you, I promise.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:57 emsgeiss says Teeg, like MackCollier said, too let them know you want to hear from them...their thoughts/opinions..even to the shy it says "hey, your ...
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:57 emsgeiss says ...voice matters to me"
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:57 templestark says i can never find the link on stumbleupon when i click the referral link. It's buried somewhere but it's nice to see.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 Connie **whew** Thought we broke Plurk. I got the A-Team!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 MackCollier says Teeg I am introvert too! Have blogged about how SM makes us introverts more extroverted!
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 Teeg says blogs often give delayed reactions and I used to fret until I heard something. Many of my readers are the same, hate posting on blogs
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 JenniferLaycock says Mack, I know you do, but you are rare. Very few people actually check those log files.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 AzWebDude is building communities may be the ONLY thing some of these guys are building
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 Teeg I know because we've discussed sites that are introvert friendly on there.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 Connie Thanks, Codyrobert. I needed that extra context.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 AmberCadabra Connie I got it too for a sec. Whew
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:58 MackCollier says Jennifer I watch SiteMeter to see where I am getting referrals too, like if I see a sudden spike in traffic, probably from new link
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:59 emsgeiss says ggrovin' for me, its sharing, discussing, informing some combo of all three
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:59 Lux says # of readers > # of commenters > bloggers
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:59 Tim Jackson Connie I saw them too! Fwew.
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:59 servantofchaos says blog commenting feels more permanent. Plurk and Twitter feels more transient. There seems to be more WEIGHT to blog comments
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  June 30, 2008 at 00:59 AmberCadabra JenniferLaycock I just started tracking site visits and such with FeedBurner and it's really helping me understand where my traffic is from
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 Connie REMINDER: If you have this conversation open in a separate tab so that it scrolls vertically you have to manually refresh if not commenting.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 JenniferLaycock says Mack, that's where I like ClickTracks. They have an awesome "what's changed" feature that picks up the slightest new source.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 MackCollier says Rachel and Teeg, thats why I think we need to do everything we can to make readers feel comfortable commenting
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 Teeg says I check my log files...I love visiting blogs that comment about me, but have to get better at commenting on their sites.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 Tim Jackson I would like an aggregator that searched channels to show me convos, but I don't know how that would ever happen.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 MackCollier says Jenn is ClickTracks free?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 JenniferLaycock says Amber we'll have to help you get on something meatier. Even Google Analytics is a good start, tis free
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 AmberCadabra I find that as a commenter, I leave comments on blogs because I want the writer to know i was listening.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:00 DebInDenver says AmberCadabra have you tried SiteMeter too? It's more comprehensive than Feedb and finds hits that FB doesn't
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 Tim Jackson For now, Google Alerts works well enough. It's time consuming, yes, but I think a lot of folks appreciate that I have to take the time.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 Lux says I smell a business opportunity. :p
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 JenniferLaycock says Mack, no, but they have hosted versions that start around $50/mo Doable for biz.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 Teeg was surprised at the number of readers who responded when she posted about introverts. Think many are afraid other times.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 Connie says ggroovin had a good point I wanted to comment on but we're going so fast I can't scroll back that far & find it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 templestark says my BASE motivation is I like readers. I like to share and know things I say engage. Many, too have ads on their sites.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 MackCollier says ok sbmu I need to do a trade with someone, I'll help them with their blog if you guys will SEO mine
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 emsgeiss says I did too...nearly had a bird
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 servantofchaos says I have used PageFlakes to setup a listening post before ... works well with a heap of different feed categories etc
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 AmberCadabra if I post to Plurk or Twitter, it's secondary because I know the chances of someone hearing me amongst the noise are small
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 AmberCadabra JenniferLaycock I plan on picking your brain plenty, don't you worry
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:01 JenniferLaycock says You know, Google is starting to index Tweets. If they'd keep it up with SM, we could track everything with alerts
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:02 Connie AzWebDude agree about those who are only building community.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:02 Teeg laughs...I actually post to plurk first, and usually get a LOT of reaction
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:02 emsgeiss says AmberCadabra at least here though, the chances of getting clicks/convo are greater than @ Twitter, where maybe 1 or 2 followers might click
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:02 Teeg says that's part of the reason I'm disappointed at the reception Plurk has gotten most places so far
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 ggroovin is a bit overwhelmed. connie - was it about motivation for blogging?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 Lux says only problem with Google Alerts is that my mailbox is exploding already
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 JenniferLaycock says We need to collaborate on a group post on our favorite tracking services. What's the equivilant of Summize etc
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 Beth Harte says it was brought up last night about following mult. threads for mult. products (B2B) I would think that mean an SM staff to monitor and man.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 servantofchaos says Connie ... but building community can turn into something longer term. You might build that around your blog - and find opportinities later
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 codyrobert says twitter really is just a bunch of noise where as like plurk you can really converse and expect responses from others
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 MackCollier says I think Plurk users are more engaged, smaller userbase where we are more likely to know peopel we follow
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:03 JenniferLaycock says Rachel you can setup Google Alerts as a feed to scan when you wish to...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 MackCollier says Hi Beth!!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 Teeg ex: I got 340 visits to my post last thursday in 2 hours, by only posting on here, then went to do broadcast
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 DebInDenver says emsgeiss I am with you. I put stuff out on Twitter and rarely get anything back. With the Plurk convos I get ideas, feedback, etc
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 Tim Jackson What I have experienced is that the fact I spend too much time online searching on my brand, has given me more "cred" w/ the readers/commty
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 AmberCadabra I'm also not very good at building GOOD google Alerts, which is another problem LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 MackCollier says Teeg that's amazing!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 servantofchaos says bethharte ... hence PageFlakes. It's all in one place
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 JenniferLaycock says Mack, you are right. Plurk users are early adopters. It's a different crowd than even the early adopters of Twitter
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 Beth Harte says hi Mack! I am hear just "listening"
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 AmberCadabra JenniferLaycock I think you just volunteered the topic for your Plurkshop.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:04 Lux says Jennifer thanks for the tip, will give it a try.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 seerysm wishes ChrisBrogan would jump into the discussion - www.plurk.com/p/v5ey you here and just lurking Chris?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 Teeg says it was perfect since broadcast was discussing plurk
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 Connie says 35 minutes in, 292 comments. My brain is whizzing. LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 AzWebDude is Click Tracks / Site Meter what are those where are they?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 JenniferLaycock says Amber makes a good point. If you don't understand search, how do you setup accurate Alerts?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 emsgeiss says Rachel...same here...make a sep folder for the alerts if you have gmail
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:05 Beth Harte says Gav, how does one use PageFlakes in a biz setting?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 JenniferLaycock says How much convo are you missing because you don't know what all to search for
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 DebInDenver says Connie, I can't catch up!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 MackCollier says AzWebDude, Sitemeter is free way to track your blog/site traffic
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 seerysm says the point about Plurk users being a highly engaged user base is a good one. Even my mom's biz site/blog has seen a traffic jump from Plurk!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 AzWebDude is yeah 1st time on this.. its flying.. hard to see who responds to what/whom
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 JenniferLaycock says Clicktracks is now sold by Lyris. Check out www.lyris.com shoudl be there
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 emsgeiss says Rachel, that's what I do, then a couple of times a day go through the new ones, ones...it helps keep the "inbox noise" down
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 MackCollier says crap this plurkshop on fragmented conversations is getting fragmented!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:06 MackCollier says !But I love it!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 Connie Over 300 now. This is most people we have had on at one time, so it really is flying tonight.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 JenniferLaycock says Plurk does not represent your average web user (neither does Twitter) so you can't extend trends to overall web usage
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 AmberCadabra would love to see a Plurkshop on listening tools: Google Alerts and all these other yummy things
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 Teeg agrees with MackCollier fragmented and great!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 JenniferLaycock says Also, you can send your Google Alerts to a separate mailbox or filter them and check when you have time.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 ggroovin has to split. Been interesting. Take care! =D
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 templestark says teeg offers that we should participate more - but with a choking amount of new SM tools, that seems LESS likely, doesn't it?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:07 seerysm says have google alerts for my name & seerysm; my blog URL & blog name as well as all topics I'm focused on such as "corporate career websites"
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 MackCollier says can't afford a bathroom break!!!!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 DebInDenver says I am with JenniferLaycock We all are really into learning the newest stuff which puts us in a tough spot when trying to convey Plurk
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 Connie agrees w/ Jennifer about Twitter/Plurk being FAR from the average web user. And we need to keep that in mind when seeking comments.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 Teeg wonders if we should make a plurk of everyone's strengths and let each person lead a plurkshop on their area?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 JenniferLaycock says Is anyone actively encouraging people to take the convo to their own community/blog for their own spin?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 servantofchaos says bethharte I use it as a listening post. I setup multiple RSS feeds linked to key topics. Each displays in its own window on a tabbed page
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 Connie ggroovin, Thanks so much for stopping by.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 Tim Jackson I have found great value in Statcounter too. I trackback a lot of visitors that way and seen may things Technorati doesn't always catch.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 puresurplus says whoa...i will never be able to read all this later
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:08 sdavis says okay..late response re: PLURKSHOP...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 Lux says as much as I like Plurk, I can't help but think that this would be easier in an old school chat room.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 mleis asks jenniferlaycock are you really ever missing it, or is that just perceived because of lack of good mechanisms to know ur audience?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 MackCollier says Connie Bensen asked for def of Community, right before this starts, think s that would be great plurkshop
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 JenniferLaycock says I think it's easy for us to get caught up in how we communicate and expect the world to follow. They will, but not soon.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 AmberCadabra JenniferLaycock that's a great point about the "average" user. We all need to remember that not everyone is as imbedded as we are
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 emsgeiss says seerysm...I do the keywords too for me/my company...that way I can see where if there were typos or whatever we come up anyway
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 Connie Teeg, will send you separate plurk about ways we are looking to implement your idea about different hosts, etc.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 Teeg agrees with Rachel. Having to refresh causes major delays with this many people
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:09 Teeg connie, sounds great!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 emsgeiss says when I launched my mag, there were posts about it @ various places and I was able to go to their blog and thank them for the mention, so
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 JenniferLaycock says mleis What is "it" that we're missing? You lost me
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 DebInDenver says I have set up tracking for my blog with at least 6 different apps and cross reference b/c they all miss something others find
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 Siegelo says a lot to absorb and follow in a very short time.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 MackCollier says I added LiJit search widget, it's reporting slight;y more traffic than sitemeter, I think
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 Connie says sdavis, Welcome. Rachel, we might want to try a plurkshop using CoverItLive hosted on a blog.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 emsgeiss says for me the google alerts are a must-have for the keywords not just my name/handle/biz.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 servantofchaos says has anyone tried addictomatic? I keep finding interesting references there that have otherwise gone unnoticed
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 Teeg would love to see more of the SEO guys come to these too, she knows several who haven't been and would have good input
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:10 JenniferLaycock says Remember guys, don't just have alerts for YOUR name/biz. Follow your competitors too, or even friends. The convo is all tied together
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 Connie Siegelo, Welcome. It is kind of overwhelming tonight. I'm sure I will go back and reread this thread later.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 emsgeiss asks JenniferLaycock..how do yo mean spin? I posted a poll about SM use and WAHMs on Sat. at the mag's blog if that's what you mean
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 seerysm says tip for alerts enter ur “blog topic related words" at Google Suggest - www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en and see what’s most commonly searched
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 JenniferLaycock says Just depends on which SEO types you get. Some only value SM for the access to quick/easy links.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 AmberCadabra agrees with all of you that this format will take some tweaking, but hang in there!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 JenniferLaycock says It's why I call myself a "recovering SEO" I don't like being lumped in with gamers
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 Connie asks Mack, what do you think of Lijit? I need to install it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:11 templestark says i have a Coveritlive account.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 Beth Harte says thanks servanofchaos, I'll check it out.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 emsgeiss asks or do you mean for them to branch off at their relative blogs etc...when that happens naturally, I love it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 MackCollier says Jennifer
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 mleis jenniferlaycock convo with your audience
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 Connie says Jennifer, you are "white hat" SEO
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 Teeg laughs I started out in chat rooms and games. That taught me the power of social media before most places were realizing it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 Tim Jackson Jennifer- excellent point; I have done that as well. If I want to know what is being said about a competitor, I create a Google alert.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:12 Lux says I have 126-work specific feeds in NetNewsWire currently.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:13 MackCollier says in hindsight, inviting Plurk newbies to come HERE might not have been best ider ever
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:13 Tim Jackson Jennifer- excellent point; I have done that as well. If I want to know what is being said about a competitor, I create a Google alert.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:13 JenniferLaycock says emsgeiss I mean encouraging them to make a post on their site with their own perspective.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:13 Connie asks templestark Would CoverItLive be able to keep up with conversation this fast?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:13 AzWebDude is I use netvibes instead of pageflakes
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:13 JenniferLaycock says I.E. Do you invite folks to go in-depth on their blog, then comment on yours with summary and link to their own blog/full post
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 seerysm says alerts.yahoo.com or google.com/alerts; enter search query that you want to be “alerted” about, specify alert frequency; Enter your email
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 Tim Jackson Sometimes I set one up for just a given product. Helps me see potential issues w/ my own- by reading theirs.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 templestark says don't exlude newbies - they may be smarter
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 Connie says Mack, yeah, we should have invited noobies to the Plurk101 plurkshop. Our bad.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 JenniferLaycock says Connie, only hat I ever wear is as cowboy hat. It's brown. There are no hats, only risks/ethics
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 LindaZ THX jennifer... have google alerts for my company, name and my specialty, never thought of competitors... that will keep me on my toes
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:14 emsgeiss says JenniferLaycock...I haven't yet, but folks at the writer's forum (AW) do w/blog carnival
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 LSFloyd says I think it is time to break this thread off, and start a new one.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 JenniferLaycock says Exactly, track comments on words indirectly related to you. Caribou tracked Starbucks and capitalized with SB screwed up
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 Connie Spinopsys thanks for info. Have not hosted w/ CoverItLive but attended live event -- birth of a Twitter friend's daughter. It was moving.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 emsgeiss says at least that's how I understand blog carnival to be.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 DebInDenver says I use google alerts for my political PR work- every key word related to my person/issue possible. It's a lot, but helps me keep up
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 Tim Jackson Jennifer- another great point. I don't directly ask them to have conversations on their own sites, but I encourage it by participating there
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 JenniferLaycock says emsgeiss oh, great point. Blog Carnivals are an excellent example of just that. Encourage bloggers to take it home and make it their own.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:15 LindaZ Plurk newbies will read and lurk and may learn how we play on plurk... then they will come and participate with us
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 Connie templestark not to exclude newbies, just meaning that this is happening so fast they might be overwhelmed by conversation & not participate
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 Teeg LSFloyd we had 2 threads going last night and was really impossible to keep up.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 emsgeiss says I like the idea though...just haven't jumped in the pool yet.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 JenniferLaycock says emsgeiss Yep, used to do a breastfeeding carnival with The Lactivist. They work great at spreading convo around
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 DebInDenver says when doing a blog carnival research for quality, I did one, then regretted it when I saw who I was lumped in with.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 Connie says I was just thinking of blog carnivals.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 DebInDenver says I like the idea of blog carnivals, but go for quality.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:16 JenniferLaycock says Tim, but what about actively encouraging it...having a tag at the end of each post welcoming them to do so? Value in that?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 Connie says I'm a Plurk pro and can't keep up with you young'uns tonight. www.sucomments.com/wp-content/Images/skype%20emoticons/pinkboasmall.gif
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 Beth Harte says I have tried Addictomatic for myself and work
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 LindaZ We could have a plurkshop to teach newbies how to plurk on plurk and all the ways to work the timeline... they keep getting overwhelmed
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 Teeg wonders why we couldn't set up our own SM blog carnival?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 MackCollier says templeshark Plurk has a STEEP learning curve, just dont want to scare any newbies off with how fast this thread is moving
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 JenniferLaycock says Connie, They're great, with the right crowd. As Deb says, you have to ersearch it. 5 of us ran one, invited guest entries. Worked great!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:17 emsgeiss says JenniferLaycock. ... if I had MackCollier's smileys, I do the bowing one too, to you.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 MackCollier says Connie notice the one that didn't like Plurk has come in and taken over?!?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 JenniferLaycock says Teeg, sure, it's crazy easy. Happy to help with that if anyone wants. Done them for more than a year.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 AmberCadabra For those of you asking about chrisbrogan: www.plurk.com/p/v5ey
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 Teeg thinks she almost has the workbook done for your plurkshop 101 lindaZ
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 Connie LindaZ, we are planning a plurkshop for newbies.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 Connie I say "we," it's whoever wants to join in.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 JenniferLaycock says LOL. Mack. That's the benefit of typing 120wpm
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:18 DebInDenver says MackCollier I was just thinking the same thing!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 Tim Jackson Jennifer- yes, total value in that. Another thing I have done before is grab a quote, w/ link from another blog & post on mine.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 seerysm says Video responses on sites like seesmic present an interesting challenge - that content isn't indexable by search engines (yet)
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 emsgeiss says DebInDenver...yes quality is key...and you don't want what one blogger recently called blog comment pu$$ies LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 mleis A blog carnival with it's own widget to show the other posts/responses. That would be neat
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 Connie Just thinking that, Mack. **Now** do you get Plurk, JenniferLaycock?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 AmberCadabra says if we keep getting this kind of Plurkshop interest, we'll def need to consider forum options
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 emsgeiss says sorry that took so long ..had 2 get link & tiny it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 Teeg jenniferlaycock I think a plurk carnival would be neat! Not sure i have the time to set it up, but would gladly help someone else
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 Tim Jackson Bringing the conversation back to my house, but encouraging folks to visit the source.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 JenniferLaycock says It's all in the format. I LOVE this kind of talk and I don't get it much with "my" crowd. SEOs...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:19 Connie says Teeg - we have a site/plan for your book. Let's talk!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 Connie Teeg, I think doing our own social media blog carnival would be a good idea.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 DebInDenver says emsgeiss
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 templestark says just what connie says - the "non-newbies" seem overwhelmed too. i just called this wading in shallow pool - right before waterfall
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 JenniferLaycock says Connie, nope. Could never use it "straight" but in this conversation style, it rocks.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 Teeg says Sure!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 Tim Jackson I think that is a nice compromise. People can comment on my site or follow the link back to the originator.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 MackCollier says Jenn does that mean your crowd is know-it-alls?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 emsgeiss says Convo is over 400 replies in under an hour FYI
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 JenniferLaycock says Tim, exactly! Experienced bloggers do that all the time, but a lot of folks auto comment, don't think to "bring it home."
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 AmberCadabra would be happy to dedicate some time to helping with a blog carnival even tho i'm clueless LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:20 LindaZ I will play with you all on the plurk 101 and invite all my lagard tweeples
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:21 Beth Harte says A thought...SM experts for specific prod. lines/srvcs. to manage convos w/customers and to 'listen' for new prod. enhancements. My utopia
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:21 JenniferLaycock says LOL...No, it means they're...let's not go there. They'll kick me out.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:21 DebInDenver says I'd be happy to work on that with you Amber
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:21 JenniferLaycock says Tim, but you know, people "remember" when we remind them. Maybe we shoudl be PUSHING fragmentation ourselves? Embrace and spread it
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 Beth Harte says it would be their job to manage the channels.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 emsgeiss says Teeg that
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 Connie seerysm, have you checked out viewzi.com -- beginning to do video search.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 JenniferLaycock thinks she's being an awful mom leaving her kid up because she doesn't awnt to miss any convo here
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 emsgeiss says would be agreat idea...the plurk blog carnival
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 AmberCadabra Deb fab - we can hopefully snag some of Jen's wisdom
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 Teeg is getting excited about this...a carnival and plurkshop will also put plurk out there more, and give it more "credit"
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 templestark says RE seerysm - Video as biz tools/ means to an end, is overrated, I believe but am often wrong.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:22 Beth Harte says i like the idea of embracing fragmentation
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 AmberCadabra cripes, get up to pee and have to scroll back a mile LOL. I LOVE it!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 emsgeiss says TimJackson when you say the source, you mean the source of where they saw the orig. post or link or whatev?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 Teeg JenniferLaycock LOL Mine's up too, but I'm leaving Daddy to care for him
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 Beth Harte says blog carnival?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 JenniferLaycock thinks Beth ditto...I see the frustration, but again, my SEO mind says "spread it! spread it far and wide!!" Then worry about tracking
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 Tim Jackson Phil- Thanks brother. Jennifer- I agree that seeking that wider convo is wonderful. I comment all over the map seeking ways to do that.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 templestark says I've fanned a few here, I am fascinated and want to subscribe to your newsletter.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 emsgeiss says JenniferLaycock...I sent min on pre-bed walk with Daddy LOL, sun finally went down here
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:23 DebInDenver says AmberCadabra I hear You! I haven't had dinner yet and it's killing me, but I know if I leave...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:24 Tim Jackson It's not easy to go back and find them all, but they take the time to find me- it's the least I can do.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:24 emsgeiss says as in just now, and it's still kinda light out
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:24 JenniferLaycock thinks she's going to have to test out this "pushing fragmentation" thing on her blog...this is worth testing.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:24 DebInDenver says bethharte a group of blogers post around a similar topic hosted by one blogger- a carnival of posts
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:24 Tim Jackson My goal all along has been to create a person for people to relate to- that's me. If they relate to me, then by extension maybe the brand.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:25 seerysm says I think webcasts/ conferences that are available in video formats like what you find on Ustream have a ton of potential for business
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:25 MackCollier says Amber 460 replies in first hour, best ever I think
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:25 JenniferLaycock thinks Blog Carnival: One topic, bunch of bloggers post on same day, all link to each other's perspectives. Great link/traffic/convo driver
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:25 centernetworks is i love social media!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:25 Connie says The longer these get, the more we need someone to recap them the next day, like Amber did before.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:25 emsgeiss says TimJackson, I think that's exactly what Mack was getting at in his post @ Viral Garden
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 MackCollier says Connie I have almost given up, gonna have to read thread again tomorrow
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 AmberCadabra JenniferLaycock agree with you. Worth testing. I plan to post about it and test it, even with my lil' readership LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 Beth Harte says fragmentation makes sense to me b'cause that's human nature, people skip around.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 Beth Harte says a blog carnival sounds great, count me in for one!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 seerysm says connie - I have not seen viewzi.com/ - checking it out now
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 JenniferLaycock says Yep, would love to see a recap of this. Hard to follow, even as a fast reader
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 emsgeiss says Connie...we'll need a recap and a kind of defragging the convo. LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 emsgeiss says hard to type too..even as a fast typist
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:26 Teeg has a list of many of the bloggers from her friends list and what they blog about...would that help with the carnival?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 Connie Know what? Would love to have this conversation as a virtual panel -- webinar, Second Life, something. Fantastic conversation!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 AmberCadabra mackcollier I just started it, it's got a life of it's own! LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 JenniferLaycock says Amber, I think several of us should all try it. Track average number of inbound links to each post before and after. I'm up for it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 emsgeiss says with these kind of convos, none of *us* will need BrainAge
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 Tim Jackson Erika- yes, exactly. I find something and then I encourage folks to visit that space when I mention it. I like to "share the wealth".
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 Lux says Tim -- that doesn't scale well, there's no one person who can represent ALL of the brands at my co.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:27 AmberCadabra I'm happy to keep summarizing our plurkshops but we need to get the site set up so I can do it there.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:28 Connie I think we have fragmented our own conversation/plurkshop, simply because of information overload. My Mighty Brain is aching.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:28 JenniferLaycock says Nice job Amber,this convo is enough to bring me back for future Plurkshops, even if I hate "standard" Plurk
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:28 emsgeiss says Connie...we'd need a pretty big webinar/conf room though, wouldn't you think?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:28 Connie Teeg, I think to start out we should limit it to people participating here, kind of a pre-screening for quality/topic.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:28 Connie Then we could expand later.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:28 Teeg thinks fragmenting like this is good though...we can always come back to the other topics to add more depth
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:29 AmberCadabra connie i was reading your mind. need to limit some participation to start with and get a handle on things
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:29 Beth Harte says Folks, need to pack it in. Will read this tomorrow. ambercadabera, thanks for kicking this off! Again, learned a ton of new apps.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:29 Teeg thinks that makes sense Connie
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:29 Connie Amber, let's work on the site this week. Have it up before next plurkshop. We'll transfer your recaps to the new site.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:29 bigepaz says I'm learning a lot just by lurking. but excluding us newbies sounds disingenuous
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:29 emsgeiss says Tim that's my thought too..it's about sharing, connecting...but then, I'm the "hippie mama" amongst my friends lol
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 Teeg says Good night bethharte
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 Beth Harte says connie, great idea!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 seerysm says enjoyed this - thanks to everyone that participated!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 Connie Erika, yes would need big room but know places/companies that do that. Maybe they could host?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 AzWebDude is still rather lost on Plurk, telling me to go to another thread?? what threads.. BUT greta chat and lots of new apps..
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 AmberCadabra pchaney reserved the plurkshops domain, so that would be the place to summarize these. My blog might not be the right vehicle
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 JenniferLaycock says I don't like the idea of excluding folks either...surely there's a platform that can handle it all.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 emsgeiss says bigepaz I don't think the intent was to exclude newbies...just make one that might not be as intimidating esp. if one is shy/introverted
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 Beth Harte says even though it's tough to keep up, and I'd hate for folks to be excluded, I think it needs to be that way...at least to test it out.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:30 Tim Jackson Rachel- I agree, it's harder when you have multiple products. You need brand champions. That's really my job (among other things).
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 Connie Thanks to everyone -- this has been awesome.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 acnatta says hello but plans to just hang out on the sidelines and read...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 AzWebDude feels as far as new readers or control of content.. new/good content keeps readers coming back and new ones joining
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 servantofchaos says Connie ... SL might be the best way to do this ... but does it capture the threads?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 JenniferLaycock says Amber, but summarize there and invite everyone else to link to summary with their own blog post/take on the convo.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 emsgeiss says Connie...I know ivocalize does, but they can be a bit $$$
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 JenniferLaycock says That will build up links to the new site, index it faster, get you ranking for hot topics of discussion
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 Connie One hour and over 500 comments. Will really enjoy rereading this tomorrow.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 AmberCadabra bigepaz no intention of excluding newbies at all, just asking them to sign up is all
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:31 Beth Harte says theGypsy is going to try cliques for daily SEO Plurkshops...we'll see how that works out.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:32 MackCollier says nite Beth!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:32 emsgeiss says and it's a platform w/a whiteboard & Web interface as well as chat/sound I just presented at a conf. on ivocalize earlier this month
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:32 AmberCadabra Jen, I will totally do that esp. when we get the site up and going
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:32 JenniferLaycock says Connie, surely with this crowd we can find a company to sponsor? Then RSVP up to a certain audience size. First come, first serve
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:32 Connie bigepaz Welcome! We do not want to exclude anyone. We just thought that this might have been overwhelming to someone new to Plurk.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:32 Teeg says theGypsy was the SEO guy I was thinking earlier should be here.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:33 DebInDenver says nite Beth!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:33 AzWebDude thinks amberCadabra should post that at the top.. I think I am signed up but not sure
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:33 Tim Jackson Night Beth.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 theGypsy says too much fragmentation isn't great IMO.... since I was tasked earlier to do some SEO PlurkShops this thread is quite educational....
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 Connie Gavin, I think you can do that in SL. Question there is whether you do voice or text.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 emsgeiss says bethharte (hi!) I'm still figuring out how to do / sign up for cliques
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 MackCollier says Connie I'm already thinking about how many blog posts I could get from this
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 emsgeiss says night beth
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 Teeg laughs Ask and you shall receive (the Gypsy)
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 Connie Jennifer, I think you're right and I have contacts at a couple of companies. Will check with them about hosting.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:34 AmberCadabra AzWebDude sorry missed you - post what at the top? If you mean the plurkshops.com site, it's not up yet.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 theGypsy says one needs multiple threads IMO and I am also having peeps *sign up* so I can use cliques for them... makes it easier to find them later
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 MackCollier says also thinking how a company could do this internally with a clique of just their employees, have a 'brainstorming' session on a set topic
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 acnatta thinks cliques are a great idea - the cool thing about the plurkshops were having convos in small groups
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 bigepaz says Connie - thanks. for me the topic was more overwhelming than the speed of the plurks. I for one get more replies on plurk than blogs
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 MackCollier says there's your business use for Plurk
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 seerysm says thanks for hosting ambercadabra - need any help cleaning up?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 acnatta will agree with Rachel about a good old fashioned chat room though
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:35 Connie Erika, you can't join a clique. Name is misleading. It's really just a group mailing list created by individual plurker.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:36 AmberCadabra connie let me know if you need a hand organizing. i'm not as up with the tools, but can help coordinate if you need me.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:36 theGypsy says for the life of me can't see a dedicated convo on social media... this one seems to drift... thus specific threads for centric convos
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:36 bigepaz loves the idea of Plurkshops, no matter how overwhelming it gets. thanks everyone!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:36 emsgeiss says ah ha...thanks Connie
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:37 Connie bigepaz The topic is HUGE. Bet we could do a whole series of these and not cover the topic. Glad you joined us.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:37 AmberCadabra i created a plurkshoppers clique but quickly realized that i was bound to omit people unwillingly
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:37 LindaZ night to all really enjoyed reading your plurks learned a lot, please let us at least lurk
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:37 emsgeiss says Mack's right about the biz idea for Plurk
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:37 Connie Amber, I will definitely need help organizing it. Limited time, but have some good contacts and ideas. Let's do it!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 ckeithley says I wish I hadn't joined the party late. But, I finally joined Plurk, which is something.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 Teeg thinks when you get several people talking about anything, the subject tends to drift naturally unless 1 person keeps everyone on subject
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 AzWebDude feels amberCadabra that they should sign up.. its ok...new to this and its flying.. learned new things
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 Connie says Lurkers are *always* welcome. So are participants, newbies to pros alike.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 MackCollier says i have no idea what you guys are talking about organizing, def have to re-read tomorrow
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 AmberCadabra says I'm so GLAD for everyone here and I'm thrilled y'all stuck out the fast pace. My head hurts LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 Teeg says connie hope you know you can call on me for anything you need, just let me know.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:38 MackCollier says Hi Cara!!!!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 AzWebDude feels teeg is correct when it comes to replying to a topic, thats why new threads need starting..and some need to die
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 Teeg theGypsy I'd love to help with yours too if there's anything I could do
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 emsgeiss says I agree w/Teeg...it's not like we're following Robert's Rules of order
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 emsgeiss says LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 Connie ckeithley Yep you're late to the party -- but we have them all the time, so scroll back and enjoy reading & watch for the next one!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 callkathy is not going to be able to keep up with the plurkshop tonight for many reasons. *wonders* if it will be republished anywhere
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:39 AmberCadabra Hi Cara! Glad you made it.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 AzWebDude thinks (hard to do at this moment to) that amberCadabra did a great job, also that she owes pitcchers of margarittas
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 Connie Agree that the conversation drifts on these plurkshops; nature of people and tools.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 Beth Harte says Hi Cara!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 DebInDenver says thanks everyone! I gotta grab some chow! I look forward to reading the thread tomorrow. Great job Amber & crew!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 AmberCadabra callkathy I'm going to summarize and post to my blog about it, so I'll plurk the link. Check back on this thread and the timeline
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 Connie Other alternative is for host to moderate; this forum not ideal for moderation though.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:40 Teeg agrees with AzWebDude that AmberCadabra did a great job!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 AzWebDude wishes the same as callKathy HEY KATHY that this whole thing is posted somewhere for all the great tools mentioned!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 seerysm says
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 Tim Jackson My head hurts too Amber- but it could be the skull fracture and 3 cracked vertebrae. Maybe. I dunno.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 emsgeiss says see you later DebinDenver
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 Beth Harte says teeg, I don't think David's on the PlurkShop, you might want to plurk him in another plurk...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 AmberCadabra AzWebDude did someone say margaritas??
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 MackCollier says 569 replies in 75 mins
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:41 Tim Jackson My plurk was eaten.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 seerysm says beat THAT friendfeed
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 templestark agrees a more narrowly defined topic would help immensely. A little moderator, hence the "hosting duties."
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 acnatta says well I'll eventually catch up on this one later on to find out what happened and drop notes to folks later on
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 AzWebDude asks does Summize or something similar track this..outside of plurk?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 Connie bookmark the URL to this thread so you can come back and reread: www.plurk.com/p/v4rf
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 AmberCadabra thanks all but I did very little. I'll do my part by recapping and posting by tomorrow. I'll link in this thread and on the timeline.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 Teeg says Thanks bethharte hadn't realized he'd left. I'll do that.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 MackCollier says the ultimate irony is that I've added about 7 Twitter followers since I started yammerin about THIS convo there!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:42 Connie seerysm Amen, sister! (to FriendFeed comment)
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 Teeg thinks recapping this one is going to be a big job in itself
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 ckeithley will be ready for the next Plurkshop. Thanks for the warmwelcome
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 AmberCadabra i think some topic refinement is good, and we should talk about moderation that will be helpful and not limit the conversation
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 MackCollier says I would have gotten about 7 in last hour if I had been talking ON twitter instead
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 emsgeiss says I've been wondering that too, AzWebDude
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 beckymccray thinks this seems like Open Mic Night at Liz Strauss's.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 AzWebDude says AmberCadabra..well if you were in AZ I might offer to buy for you..
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 callkathy asks that the link be plurked in another plurk as well as here. and is glad that it will be blogged!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:43 Teeg agrees with seerysm...Friendfeed has NOTHING on this!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:44 emsgeiss says Teeg & seerysm ditto...almost @ 600 replies
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:45 AzWebDude shares that I too was on Twitter at the start...so doing both was difficult
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:45 JenniferLaycock says Hmm, I think I can pull at least a dozen blog posts out of this convo, now THERE is biz value.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:45 jcass is amazed how something everyone thinks is waste of time can be use to this great conversation.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:45 Teeg tells callkathy if you click on the RSS feed up at the top of this page, you can subscribe to this and open it whenever you want.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:45 Tim Jackson Welcome ckiethley! It's never too late to Plurk.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:46 templestark glad to meet y'all. I need to breathe again. Bailing out the hatch . Thanks.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:46 Connie Food for thought: we could limit plurkshops to 10 ppl per thread; have simultaneous threads going. Limiting would be done by using cliques.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:46 Tim Jackson Ok, gotta run pleople. The food I put in the oven is now on fire!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:46 Teeg says Glad to meet you too templestark
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 emsgeiss says AmberCadabra thanks for hosting. I have to bail for a bit..the boys are back from their walk. But I'll see you all in a bit, I'm sure.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 AmberCadabra Thanks templestark, glad to meet you!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 Teeg says keep an eye on your cliques though, they have a bug right now
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 MackCollier says right seerysm, if we did this on Friendfeed, it would have about 40 replies at best now
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 emsgeiss says This as been just awesome!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 AmberCadabra I have a zillion blog post ideas from this too. Ouch. Need to filter brain.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:47 Teeg says cliques have a tendency to drop people...one that should have 30 people in it only sends to you connie.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:48 MackCollier says LMAO! Tim be careful Mr. Mom!!!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:48 AmberCadabra jcass We agree!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:48 Teeg thegypsy had this problem today too, one of his dropped from a large group to 4 people
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:48 AzWebDude thinks that FF too if you have the right box checked would vere off all over..
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:48 AmberCadabra connie i like simultaneous threads, but still want a way for everyone to participate. I'm not giving up yet.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:49 MackCollier says Jennifer it's a race to SEG!!!!
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:49 Connie Thanks for the tip, Teeg. Had no idea since I haven't been using cliques.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:49 MackCollier says bethharte suggested that we have a Plurk 101 and Plurk 201 plurkshops going at same time, might be good idea
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:50 Connie asks Mack, which would you rather have. 40 comments in a day or two. Or 615 in less than 2 hrs.?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:50 Teeg noticed it when her marketing clique would only send you LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:50 AzWebDude thinks it would be cool for each thread to have a title like on seesmic, where there are multiple convos going, but you can respond where u want
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:51 AmberCadabra i think really tightening the topic might help a great deal
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:51 AzWebDude thinks the basic, how to respond etc can be a link at the top of this convo..thats all i was looking for..i went to twitter to get the answer
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:52 MackCollier says Connie good point, depends on how 'deep' the comments go, if they build on each other, think 40 in a couple of days would be better
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:52 MackCollier says i think we need to tweak this to maximize value, it's almost too active
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:53 Teeg can suggest a guide to read AzWebDude
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:53 AzWebDude says AmberCadabra , true, but this topic is soo wide open, controlling that range may be tough..
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:53 AzWebDude says teeg I think you are on twitter, can you DM me?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:53 Teeg wonders if a big plurkshop like this once a week, and then plurkshops evolved from that conversation over the rest of the week would work?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:54 Connie MackCollier, agree that this is too overwhelming to be workable. We have to tweak it here, or try diferent venue such as CoverItLive.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:54 Teeg is and can...are you AzWebDude there too?
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:55 Connie We need to count up how many different people participated. It was way busier than usual. I loved it, but it was hard to follow that fast.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:55 ericaogrady says feeling a little bit late to the party - but Hello All You Social Media Superstars
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:55 AmberCadabra mackcollier agree with you. Maybe a handful of us can brainstorm on a different thread.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:56 AzWebDude thinks mini topics of sorts, maybe Tuesdays are "blog days", I teach so I see the power of this..as well as the confusion/slow it down/this is cool
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:56 Connie says Hey, ericaogrady. You missed the live action, but we'll we back with more plurkshop fun and conversation.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:57 MackCollier says Erica just mark it and read later, that's what I'm going to do! www.plurk.com/p/v4rf
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:57 Teeg is rather impressed with Plurk for keeping up with this.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:58 acnatta enjoys seeing the convos but misses some of the interaction of the earlier ones...
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:58 Connie Teeg, you have a point. We would have seen Moby Twit about 1/4 of the way in.
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  June 30, 2008 at 01:59 AbleReach says I lurked this time. Cool experiment.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:00 AmberCadabra i counted 41 on a quick pass
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:00 Teeg pointed out to a friend yesterday that Plurk is in beta...and still having less problems that twitter which should be in beta.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:00 acnatta thinks lurking was fun this time to see where the convos went...
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:00 AmberCadabra doesn't count lurkers of course
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:00 AzWebDude asks if anyone here is woth Plurk? or is that a "show", "broadcast", or what
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:01 Teeg thinks this one felt rushed, but still there is something to a huge chat. Definitely not all the time, but good sometimes.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:02 Connie ablereach Thanks for lurking. Glad you enjoyed the experiment -- we're trying to figure out the best way to include lots of ppl.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:03 Teeg AzWebDude None of us are with Plurk, it's just that this is a good medium to have discussions like these.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:03 MackCollier says ok guys I have to duck out for a while, will be back later or tomorrow, just amazing thread everyone! Amber!
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:03 Connie Teeg, one thing we could do is for some of us really talkative ones (ahem, like me) to agree to take a back seat and lurk.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:03 Connie Maybe we should invite someone w/ Plurk to join us, and show how we're using the cool site they built.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:04 Teeg always enjoys your input connie.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:05 Teeg I wonder if we took these discussions and split them into natural breaks, could they then be posted as a blog post?
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:05 AmberCadabra see you soon mackcollier
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:05 Teeg That would give others the opportunity to read managable posts and join in the discussion without a time limit
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:06 AmberCadabra connie i thought about that! be the facilitators and then just hush LOL but then peeps would miss having perspective from some veterans
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:06 AzWebDude asks teeg, once I got a few things I was ok.. lol if being 200 msgs behind is ok..i loved the value of new stuff I got.. now to play
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:06 Teeg rickwolff This one's ending, but we have them frequently
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:06 AmberCadabra rickwolff well, the whirlwind is certainly past, i think. but bookmark the page and you can catch up later, and join the next one
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:07 AzWebDude loves the term " veterans" that AmberCadabra used..LOL veterans in something that is not even a year old maybe
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:08 AmberCadabra oh i meant more topic-related veterans than Plurk veterans LOL
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:08 MarketingMag says wow - so late to this excellent initiative. As a publisher, I'm forever chasing interesting stories and conversations.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:09 AzWebDude will be back for the next one if someone tells him about it..going to make dinner.. margarittas(AmberCadabra) and gonna go see what all I missed.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:09 Teeg thinks AmberCadabra probably means social media veterans...some of us have been doing this a while.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:09 MarketingMag says a Plurkshop specifically on listening and monitoring tools would be a great resource.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:10 AmberCadabra AzWebDude if you follow me, connie, mackcollier teeg or debindenver you're bound to hear about the next one
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:11 AmberCadabra marketingmag agreed! I'm hoping we can get JenniferLaycock to do one.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:11 AzWebDude is following all of those and some on Twitter.. thanks!!! assuming twitter works and I see teh twitt...
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:13 AmberCadabra i'm with ya! Twitter has been more than frustrating these days.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:20 amsall says WOW, 671 responses!!! Congrats to the host AmberCadabra, Connie, MackCollier, JenniferLaycock, and all. I just lurked and listened
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:47 Amie says holy frak, I am late to this party. And just read allll of what came above before posting. Great social media meta to ponder!
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:48 Amie says I will definitely have to re-read this all tomorrow with fresh eyeballs.
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  June 30, 2008 at 02:51 MapleMama asks if there were be a synopsis or plurkpoint of this. I can't read all this tonight!
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  June 30, 2008 at 04:54 AmberCadabra is.gd/Izw Here's the summary of tonight's conversation. Enjoy!
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  June 30, 2008 at 16:06 SharonHH says sorry I missed this. I'll check out the summary
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  June 30, 2008 at 17:02 rumford thinks that the fact that you can have all the comments on one page on plurk is truly amazing
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  June 30, 2008 at 17:45 Connie says rumford - so good to see you here! I love the threaded comments here & opening it up in page view really makes it easier to read.
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  June 30, 2008 at 17:45 Connie says Hope you'll join us for another plurkshop. Lots of good discussions going on around here.
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  June 30, 2008 at 22:04 -vanMaanen- says Good stuff! Dropped in too late, hope to see more soon.