| AmberCadabra | PLURKSHOP: Social Media dialogue across multiple channels: managing and learning from it. I'm kicking us off a bit early... |
Jun 30, 2008 -
12:25AM
| AmberCadabra | PLURKSHOP: Social Media dialogue across multiple channels: managing and learning from it. I'm kicking us off a bit early... |
| AmberCadabra | For easiest following, open the Plurk Page link on the bottom right of this window, and open in a new tab |
| templestark | ok, i'm here, drink in hand.  |
| AmberCadabra | Also a quick note: connie has smartly started us a Plurkshop account for easier hosting in future. |
| Tim Jackson | Howdy Amber! |
| AmberCadabra | To follow future plurkshops, be sure and follow "Plurkshops" timeline |
| AmberCadabra | Hi Tim and templestark, glad to have you! |
| MackCollier | says | gonna tweet it! Guys make sure your followers know |
| Beth Harte | says | Hi ambercadabra! |
| Connie | says | TIP: you may have to manually refresh this page if you're viewing in a separate tab. But it's much easier to keep up with this way. |
| seerysm | says | smart! but it is sort of fun having someone host it each time. Sort of like a group taking turns meeting at each others houses  |
| LindaZ | hello amber, nice to meet you  |
| mleis | says | what's the url? |
| templestark | says | connie is smart. Great idea. |
| Tim Jackson | Yes, Connie's a smart dame. Amber's up there too... |
| AmberCadabra | Hi everyone! The url for tonight's plurkshop is www.plurk.com/p/v4rf |
| Teeg | plurkshops |
| Connie | says | says We are also going to cross timezones and spread them out so our UK and Aussie friends (and others) can join more conveniently. |
| templestark | says | dang seerysm has a good point too. Still there can always be one person to take hosting "duties." |
| Connie | says | no, it's just plurkshop |
| MackCollier | says | so comments comments everywhere, good or bad? |
| AmberCadabra | sorry, that was my typo |
| emsgeiss | says | Hi everyone! |
| ThoughtWrong | is | here |
| AmberCadabra | Thanks for kicking us off, Mack!  |
| servantofchaos | says | Connie timezones are always tricky for me ... this works nicely! |
| MackCollier | says | sorry didnt mean to hijack out of the gate  |
| Connie | says | I think fragmentation is inevitable and we might as well embrace it. Community trumps control. |
| lizstrauss | says | Hiya guys! MackCollier, It's hard to keep track . . . so much time just finding them. |
| Beth Harte | says | hi mleis, nice to meet another local! |
| Tim Jackson | Glad to see so many faces already. |
| servantofchaos | says | I used to use CoComment to try and track my own comments, but it kept failing -- now I am out of the habit |
| ConnieFoggles | says | Hello! Nice to meet you! |
| AmberCadabra | mackcollier don't be silly. Hijack away. I'm just the thread starter. |
| mleis | asks | Who cares where? As long as they get back w/o killing me |
| MackCollier | says | i can see both sides....i want people to be able to leave feedback whereever they want |
| Lux | says | sorry I'm late |
| seerysm | says | I used co.mment for awhile to try and aggregate some comment and discussion threads |
| Tim Jackson | Yes, I mostly use Goodle Alerts and Technorati. |
| TerenceChang | says | what now? |
| Connie | says | lizstrauss we have to keep developing and using new tools to track the conversation, but the genie is out of the bottle, in my opinion. |
| Tim Jackson | I know there are better ways, but those work well enough. |
| MackCollier | says | but on flipside, fragmented feedback can lessen chances for a convo to develop if feedback was centralized |
| Tim Jackson | Yes- finding them all is going to be impossible. |
| Tim Jackson | There is something about the hunt though. |
| MackCollier | says | for example, what if we all committed to blog about this topic today, instead of meet here? the fragmented feeback wont match convo here |
| servantofchaos | says | TimJackson ... yes I rely on Google alerts and Technorati too ... but they dont keep all the threads together |
| AmberCadabra | Hate to keep using Chris as an example, but he mentioned this yesterday on his blog. |
| Lux | says | as someone with limited time and a LOT I need to follow, fragmentation increases the chance I miss something important. |
| MsHerr | says | re: comments ... good to thread them w/ the content the refer to & comments are convo facilitators |
| puresurplus | thinks | u should just host a plurkshop on talkshoe |
| Tim Jackson | Correct Gavin. |
| Connie | asks | MackCollier the $64K question: how can you centralize feedback? |
| AmberCadabra | A bunch of comments moved to FriendFeed and he missed them |
| seerysm | says | I know rely on google alerts - but have found no real clean way to organize. But I want the interaction, no matter where it takes place |
| LindaZ | is | it not easier to see it all with the new search tool |
| templestark | says | always wanted software to track my comments everywhere. comment when something stirs ya or to help friends. |
| ggroovin | says | sup? How's this thing sposed to work? |
| MackCollier | says | Connie what do you think about the plugins that pull Friendfeed comments and put them back on your blog? |
| MsHerr | says | and aggregation sometimesleads to disjointed or tangental convos that lose relevance to the initial content |
| lizstrauss | says | connie I so agree that we never could control the conversation. Now it just feels like we're supposed to follow all of it. |
| MackCollier | says | I think its a tradeoff, you want people to be able to have their say where THEY want, but fragmentation lessens chance for conversation |
| AmberCadabra | ggroovin however you like! Feel free to read, listen, and jump in wherever. |
| herb | shares | in FF, auto reload this page every xx seconds |
| templestark | says | tangents are death to many good conversations. so something like this with a frame of mind set at beginning seems useful |
| AmberCadabra | spinopsys that's a great tool for Twitter, but what happens when comments start branching off to other sites? |
| Tim Jackson | Mack- good point, but I really enjoy tracking people down and commenting in their turf. It feels natural. |
| emsgeiss | says | but I don't think serph picks up technorati yet |
| MackCollier | says | for example, one night Kr8tr posted a link to a blog post of his, asking for comments, Scoble told everyone instead to comment on it @FF |
| LindaZ | would the hashtags and surmize work on plurks too? |
| seerysm | says | downside: Part of what's great about group convo is what's learned from each other - when convo happens in multiple places context gets lost |
| MsHerr | thinks | the contextual linkage/fragmentation questions also raises the question about cross-posting |
| servantofchaos | says | I did a search the other day on Addictomatic and found all these conversations ABOUT me that I was not part of! |
| Connie | following Mack's thought, then it helps to have something like this plurkshop where we have a central place for comments at least for a time |
| MackCollier | says | Rob wanted the conversation on HIS blog, Scoble tried to 'hijack' it to Friendfeed |
| Teeg | says | one problem with blogs (and reason people are posting other places) comes down to who owns the comments...commenter or blogger? |
| LindaZ | I agree wit seerysm... better if it is all in one place but I understand that is not always possible |
| puresurplus | feels | like this is already giving me a headache  |
| MackCollier | says | Rob got mad cause Scoble was trying to move the conversation, but I could kinda see where Scoble had the right to try to have it on FF |
| templestark | says | loves hash tags but keeps on forgetting to use them on Twitter. |
| Tim Jackson | For example, I tracked down Spinospsys through Technorati and over the past 3+ years we've become friends as well. |
| AmberCadabra | Gavin, that's exactly the hard part. Tracking down what's being said in an organized fashion and following up with all of it |
| MackCollier | says | Prob is, what if someone is active on Friendfeed, and finds your blog post there, and doesnt read your blog, if they can comment there... |
| Teeg | MackCollier that was the discussion that really hit on who owns the comment though...Socble asked Rob to remove his comments, Rob denied |
| MackCollier | says | it could expose them to your blog |
| seerysm | says | over the last year, my interaction is more often on Twitter/Plurk - less on my blog - so those not there are left out of the discussions |
| servantofchaos | says | Teeg you still dont really own the conversation even if it is on FF |
| Connie | Disagree w/ Scoble, agree w/ Mack & Tim - commenting on *their* turf is important. I love comments on my blog, even tho I enjoy this too. |
| AmberCadabra | I prefer to comment where the conversation originates (or at least where I find it), but organizing them all is a bitch. |
| Lux | says | I really do not care who "owns" the comments or the content, I just want to be able to find out wtf is going on. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie maybe what we need to figure out is where ppl can most easily comment on our content, and encourage it there? |
| MackCollier | says | Maybe its our blog, or could be here, or Twitter, or friendfeed |
| Teeg | says | you can actually delete your comments off FF though. Scoble had commented on the blog until he and Rob got upset with each other. |
| emsgeiss | says | blog comments are good...b/c then you can respond to a comment directly |
| Tim Jackson | part of my "job" in building community is to go out into that community. Then they will come to my parties too. |
| Connie | plays devil's advocate. Who says we *have* to follow the conversation everywhere it goes? Especially since we don't "own" it? |
| MackCollier | says | BTW Amber you topped 100 replies in 15 mins |
| servantofchaos | says | comments without context are not all that valuable. That is where blogs are great |
| Teeg | is | trying Disqus right now, heard rumors it will interact with FF at some point. That would be nice. |
| Charlie | asks | why people get worried about comment ownership? isn't that where "famous quotes" come from... what is said? |
| emsgeiss | says | AmberCadbra...I totally agree- prefer to comment at originating site |
| AmberCadabra | I encourage peeps to comment on my blog because it's easier for me to keep in touch, but maybe that's selfish. |
| emsgeiss | says | MackCollier's our official statistician |
| emsgeiss | says | |
| MackCollier | says | Gavin I think blogs have 'deeper' comments, we have time to reflect and better form our thoughts |
| Lux | says | I prefer comments to happen on the site of origin, yes |
| Tim Jackson | I know that the time to do this is getting shorter w/ all the things on my plate, but the rewards have been many. |
| MackCollier | says | Ericka |
| seerysm | says | it is similar to what you have to consider to get conversions on your site, every click they have to make, the less likely they are going to |
| Teeg | says | it was already splintered. I'm much more likely to comment on SU than on someone's blog unless I know them anyway. |
| MackCollier | says | Crap Erika! Sorry about the 'c' |
| AmberCadabra | Let me ask a tangential question. If you're a company and you're trying to do rep management, what's the best way to listen ? |
| Connie | Wish I could star Gavin's last comment (servantofchaos) |
| emsgeiss | says | AmberCadabra, I don't think it's selfish, it makes sense...I like it when there are mult. streams of dialog, but "beef" of disc. is @ blog |
| seerysm | says | if someone has a thought about ur blog post I want them to easily be able to do that where they want at their convenience - it is up to them |
| AzWebDude | is | ok so someone explain PLurk..how this works btw MsHerr sent me here |
| templestark | says | likes comments at his blog(s) because then I havebetter hope the context is correct. |
| emsgeiss | says | np MackCollier |
| servantofchaos | asks | is all this conversation pointless without a destination? If we are engaging with conversation, is there is an objective other than buzz? |
| Connie | AmberCadabra reputation monitoring: develop so many Google alerts that you finally give up & use a company like Radian6 (lebrun here). |
| Tim Jackson | I am in favor of the conversation staying in one spot, but let's face it- isn't going to. Again, this goes back to the notion of control. |
| MackCollier | says | AzWebDude why dont you ask that question in a different thread? |
| nwjerseyliz | is | finding Plurk and finding people on it incomprehensible |
| MackCollier | says | Tim should we try to 'move' it via blog plugins? |
| emsgeiss | says | templestark....hopefully though, when ppl post link to blog, it gets followed b4 commenting @ 2ndary site begins...kinda like "RTFA" ? |
| Teeg | wonders if FF just brought it out in the open that the conversation ISN'T at one spot? It actually hasn't been for years. |
| MsHerr | says | timjackson raises a good point about reciprocity. if we want others to play w/ us, we need play w/ them too. but it needs to be authentic. |
| ggroovin | says | tho I'm not a blogger, I do think if I were & comments to my original thots weren't left on my blog I might have one less reason to continue |
| AmberCadabra | I'm going to start a plurk help thread over yonder |
| seerysm | says | we can't control readers, and they want content portability, even the comment content - they want to read and respond where/when they want |
| Connie | AzWebDude Easiest if you open this conversation in a separate tab so it scrolls vertically. www.plurk.com/p/v4rf |
| ggroovin | says | if someone wants to take my thots & start a conversation elsewhere, as long as I get credit & a reference that'd be OK. |
| nwjerseyliz | is | finding that there are more comments than she can read, constantly refreshing and playing catch-up |
| Tim Jackson | Amber, I try to listen every way I can. Google searches, Technorati, etc. I try it all. It is not efficient, but I don't think it will be. |
| MackCollier | says | Teeg that's true, I know some bloggers that will email me to thank me for commenting on their blog, but then convo builds via email not blog |
| Teeg | says | as bloggers, it's our business to find the feeds...our customers have no reason to keep everything in front of us. |
| LindaZ | comment on blogs is the best, the person gets to really share what they think, feel and want to tell U plus they have more than 140character |
| JenniferLaycock | is | You know, from a search optimization perspective, I like the convo in multiple places, as long as they link |
| Tim Jackson | I do believe we have to go where the comments are- as a company. If I find a new blog comment or convo, I go visit and comment back. |
| MackCollier | says | nwjerseyliz it moves fast, stay in it!!! |
| JenniferLaycock | is | Also, with the convo in multiple places, more people have a chance to join in. |
| emsgeiss | says | it's too bad you can't ping back comments regardless of where they happen |
| Teeg | has | been using SU for 3 years and before that other social sites. Conversations about blogs were always on the other sites... |
| Connie | says | Spoken like a true search maven, JenniferLaycock. |
| codyrobert | says | it's nicer to respond to a comment when it's somewhere you know it'll be, ie, on your blog. rather than off somewhere you mightn't look |
| emsgeiss | says | JenniferLaycock is right...it does allow for greater engagement |
| MackCollier | says | Jennifer try, but fragmented means it could be harder to grow into robust convo at one place, like blog |
| Tim Jackson | If I find a new blog or comment, I try to go there and comment back. Even if weeks later. That has really helped me w/ outreach. |
| Teeg | and only rarely on the actual blogs |
| JenniferLaycock | is | There are only positives to more people in the convo. I say spread it everywhere! Just learn to track. |
| servantofchaos | says | JenniferLaycock ... LOL -- good point |
| Tim Jackson | I've got a core of really good "fans" in Minneapolis because I tracked back one comment on one blog. Now I have a great group of many blogs. |
| JenniferLaycock | is | Mack, sure, harder to have robust conversation, but easier to have convo go in different directions... |
| DebInAustin | says | hi gang. Dog trainer stayed forever! So I m am just hopping on. |
| AmberCadabra | jenniferlaycock that's a great point abt reaching a larger audience and engaging more people |
| MackCollier | says | true, i am really playing devil's advocate, cause I can see both sides on this one |
| Connie | says | Gavin and Tim are speaking as company reps looking for the conversation, as is Rachel. |
| Tim Jackson | Rachel- I'm gonna admit that I have no idea what it is. I'm still a techno-doofus. |
| JenniferLaycock | is | A lot of times, different blogs or communities view witha different spin, which adds even more value to convo |
| servantofchaos | says | I guess it all depends on your strategy -- what is the conversation and where are you trying to drive it to? |
| Connie | Others see this from a blogger's perspective; Jennifer brings a search guru's perspective. That's what makes this great. |
| AmberCadabra | it's the "learn to track" part that can be brain damaging. |
| MackCollier | says | Tim that's great, see so many companies dont think to do that, follow the comments back |
| DebInAustin | says | AmberCadabra www.plurk.com/p/v4rf#response-5879665 |
| JenniferLaycock | is | Thanks Amber. I mean isn't fragmentation the very definition of "loss of control" and isn't this what happens with Social Media? |
| MackCollier | says | and Jennifer 'gets' that some of us are search idiots |
| DebInAustin | says | soory about that. Wrong message! |
| servantofchaos | says | of course, as a blogger I just want to know what people are saying about me |
| Connie | Rachel, I am using Radian6 and I like it. |
| templestark | says | ggroovin is going oto motivation for social media. since I'm new(ish) I'm curious. There's a lot of mixed motivations. |
| Teeg | says | I know that until I blogged myself, I hated posting to blogs...it was much easier posting somewhere that my friends were and would talk |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Connie, both need to enter the picture. I mean social media and search are tied, whether social types like it. Have to play both strengths |
| seerysm | says | some combo of a convo tag along w/ RSS would work so all posts/responses get a tag where ever they happen & there's a feed for that tag |
| Lux | says | I am working with a very limited toolset currently |
| Connie | Jennifer, agreed. Bottom line: there is not control. Impossible to get control (at this point). So what do you do about it? |
| emsgeiss | says | Had to refresh screen. Ugh. I do the same as TimJackson re: responding to comments, regardless of age for both biz & personal blogs |
| AmberCadabra | is | a total search idiot. Gotta fix that. |
| Tim Jackson | Jennifer... I could kiss you for that comment; fragmentation, though inconvenient, spreads the conversation around to other channels. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie what does Radian 6 give you that you can't get from monitoring via Google Blog Search/Summize/Technorati? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Mack, I think search is a key point many social/blog types miss. Those links are gold to you, especially if in editorial and not comments |
| codyrobert | says | comment pingbacks are a good compromise. still allowing user control of the conversation while relaying that info back to the blog |
| templestark | says | I'm all right with loss of control but what is it being controlled or uncontrolled? (Thinks of William S. Burroughs quote here) |
| JenniferLaycock | says | The more people who make the convo their own on their own blog, the more it boosts you. That's a good thing, if you can track |
| AmberCadabra | I think you have to give up the idea of having "total" control and find the greatest common denominator |
| Connie | can already see that we're going to draft Jennifer to host a plurkshop on social media and natural search. |
| tdhurst | asks | Okay, where's the cake I'm supposed to jump out of? I'm already in costume. |
| servantofchaos | says | I'm with you Connie, before social media we had the illusion of control. Now the conversation is audible thanks to our "digital ears" |
| MackCollier | says | Jennifer it seems there's a lot of SM types misunderstanding Search, and vice versa |
| Teeg | asks | is it more important to have control or to have return readers? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Connie, I'd love to hear more about them too, though my crowd likes the cheap stuff. |
| seerysm | has | attended a Radian6 demo and liked it very much - but what you get out is still only as good as your search terms |
| AmberCadabra | I don't want to quash the conversation at all, I just want a better way to keep up with it. |
| Connie | Codyrobert, please explain more. Not sure I follow about comment pingback. |
| templestark | says | For instance, this convo is hard to follow but we all get something out of it - but almost certainly something different with each of us. |
| MackCollier | says | Teeg I think if you empower your readers, it makes them more likely to comment and return regularly |
| Tim Jackson | Spinopsys- excellent point. Again, we already know we've lost control and running around is difficult, but the doors that open are great. |
| servantofchaos | says | Spinopsys ... oh, another good topic. Anyone else live in fear of the "semantic web" |
| JenniferLaycock | says | LOL sure Connie. And I promise the topic woudln't be "game digg and fake friends for more links" |
| JenniferLaycock | says | How many of you are regularly checking your logs for new referrers? Not top/popular, but new? |
| Teeg | says | there has always been social media to an extent though, whether it was a chat room or online game. SM just expanded these. |
| Lux | says | control is an illusion at best. |
| Tim Jackson | Gavin- can you stop w/ the awesome quotes. You're making me feel like an idiot. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Whether comments are nofollowed or not, they still often send traffic, helping you track them. |
| Connie | Jennifer, I like the cheap stuff too, and most of us *have* to use free/cheap stuff. But there is a place for cos. like Radian6. |
| Connie | But we need to do that in a different thread or a different plurkshop. |
| LindaZ | Ok what are the best search across the different channels |
| AmberCadabra | LOL JenniferLaycock I'd settle for "How not to be a search dumbass" |
| JenniferLaycock | says | servantofchaos oh my, no, embrace the semantic web! It will rock. Let us get back to natural language and not keywords |
| MackCollier | says | Jennifer I do |
| codyrobert | connie for example a comment posted on stumbleupon, would ping the blog so the writer could see where the conversation is and respond |
| servantofchaos | says | I think brands and bloggers (in general) have similar objectives -- to build community. Smart brands, that is. |
| ggroovin | asks | what is the motivation for those of you who blog? How's hearing feedback on your own blog feel compared to feedback stumbled upon elsewhere? |
| AzWebDude | is | ok didnt know I had to hit refresh (PLURK) way behind now.. |
| MackCollier | says | AzWeb if you follow Amber, you can watch ir from the timeline where it updates automatically |
| Teeg | says | MackCollier I'm an introvert, sounds silly, but I HATE posting where I don't know what reaction I'll get. SM gives instant reactions |
| JenniferLaycock | says | AmberCadabra we'll so get that taken care of for you, I promise. |
| emsgeiss | says | Teeg, like MackCollier said, too let them know you want to hear from them...their thoughts/opinions..even to the shy it says "hey, your ... |
| emsgeiss | says | ...voice matters to me" |
| templestark | says | i can never find the link on stumbleupon when i click the referral link. It's buried somewhere but it's nice to see. |
| Connie | **whew** Thought we broke Plurk. I got the A-Team! |
| MackCollier | says | Teeg I am introvert too! Have blogged about how SM makes us introverts more extroverted! |
| Teeg | says | blogs often give delayed reactions and I used to fret until I heard something. Many of my readers are the same, hate posting on blogs |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Mack, I know you do, but you are rare. Very few people actually check those log files. |
| AzWebDude | is | building communities may be the ONLY thing some of these guys are building |
| Teeg | I know because we've discussed sites that are introvert friendly on there. |
| Connie | Thanks, Codyrobert. I needed that extra context. |
| AmberCadabra | Connie I got it too for a sec. Whew |
| MackCollier | says | Jennifer I watch SiteMeter to see where I am getting referrals too, like if I see a sudden spike in traffic, probably from new link |
| Lux | says | # of readers > # of commenters > bloggers |
| Tim Jackson | Connie I saw them too! Fwew. |
| servantofchaos | says | blog commenting feels more permanent. Plurk and Twitter feels more transient. There seems to be more WEIGHT to blog comments |
| AmberCadabra | JenniferLaycock I just started tracking site visits and such with FeedBurner and it's really helping me understand where my traffic is from |
| Connie | REMINDER: If you have this conversation open in a separate tab so that it scrolls vertically you have to manually refresh if not commenting. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Mack, that's where I like ClickTracks. They have an awesome "what's changed" feature that picks up the slightest new source. |
| MackCollier | says | Rachel and Teeg, thats why I think we need to do everything we can to make readers feel comfortable commenting |
| Teeg | says | I check my log files...I love visiting blogs that comment about me, but have to get better at commenting on their sites. |
| Tim Jackson | I would like an aggregator that searched channels to show me convos, but I don't know how that would ever happen. |
| MackCollier | says | Jenn is ClickTracks free? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Amber we'll have to help you get on something meatier. Even Google Analytics is a good start, tis free |
| AmberCadabra | I find that as a commenter, I leave comments on blogs because I want the writer to know i was listening. |
| DebInAustin | says | AmberCadabra have you tried SiteMeter too? It's more comprehensive than Feedb and finds hits that FB doesn't |
| Tim Jackson | For now, Google Alerts works well enough. It's time consuming, yes, but I think a lot of folks appreciate that I have to take the time. |
| Lux | says | I smell a business opportunity. :p |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Mack, no, but they have hosted versions that start around $50/mo Doable for biz. |
| Teeg | was | surprised at the number of readers who responded when she posted about introverts. Think many are afraid other times. |
| templestark | says | my BASE motivation is I like readers. I like to share and know things I say engage. Many, too have ads on their sites. |
| MackCollier | says | ok sbmu I need to do a trade with someone, I'll help them with their blog if you guys will SEO mine  |
| emsgeiss | says | I did too...nearly had a bird |
| servantofchaos | says | I have used PageFlakes to setup a listening post before ... works well with a heap of different feed categories etc |
| AmberCadabra | if I post to Plurk or Twitter, it's secondary because I know the chances of someone hearing me amongst the noise are small |
| AmberCadabra | JenniferLaycock I plan on picking your brain plenty, don't you worry |
| JenniferLaycock | says | You know, Google is starting to index Tweets. If they'd keep it up with SM, we could track everything with alerts |
| Connie | AzWebDude agree about those who are only building community. |
| Teeg | laughs...I actually post to plurk first, and usually get a LOT of reaction |
| emsgeiss | says | AmberCadabra at least here though, the chances of getting clicks/convo are greater than @ Twitter, where maybe 1 or 2 followers might click |
| Teeg | says | that's part of the reason I'm disappointed at the reception Plurk has gotten most places so far |
| Lux | says | only problem with Google Alerts is that my mailbox is exploding already |
| JenniferLaycock | says | We need to collaborate on a group post on our favorite tracking services. What's the equivilant of Summize etc |
| Beth Harte | says | it was brought up last night about following mult. threads for mult. products (B2B) I would think that mean an SM staff to monitor and man. |
| servantofchaos | says | Connie ... but building community can turn into something longer term. You might build that around your blog - and find opportinities later |
| codyrobert | says | twitter really is just a bunch of noise where as like plurk you can really converse and expect responses from others |
| MackCollier | says | I think Plurk users are more engaged, smaller userbase where we are more likely to know peopel we follow |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Rachel you can setup Google Alerts as a feed to scan when you wish to... |
| MackCollier | says | Hi Beth!!! |
| Teeg | ex: I got 340 visits to my post last thursday in 2 hours, by only posting on here, then went to do broadcast |
| DebInAustin | says | emsgeiss I am with you. I put stuff out on Twitter and rarely get anything back. With the Plurk convos I get ideas, feedback, etc |
| Tim Jackson | What I have experienced is that the fact I spend too much time online searching on my brand, has given me more "cred" w/ the readers/commty |
| AmberCadabra | I'm also not very good at building GOOD google Alerts, which is another problem LOL |
| MackCollier | says | Teeg that's amazing! |
| servantofchaos | says | bethharte ... hence PageFlakes. It's all in one place |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Mack, you are right. Plurk users are early adopters. It's a different crowd than even the early adopters of Twitter |
| Beth Harte | says | hi Mack! I am hear just "listening" |
| AmberCadabra | JenniferLaycock I think you just volunteered the topic for your Plurkshop. |
| seerysm | wishes | ChrisBrogan would jump into the discussion - www.plurk.com/p/v5ey you here and just lurking Chris? |
| Teeg | says | it was perfect since broadcast was discussing plurk |
| Connie | says | 35 minutes in, 292 comments. My brain is whizzing. LOL |
| AzWebDude | is | Click Tracks / Site Meter what are those where are they? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Amber makes a good point. If you don't understand search, how do you setup accurate Alerts? |
| Beth Harte | says | Gav, how does one use PageFlakes in a biz setting? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | How much convo are you missing because you don't know what all to search for |
| DebInAustin | says | Connie, I can't catch up! |
| MackCollier | says | AzWebDude, Sitemeter is free way to track your blog/site traffic |
| seerysm | says | the point about Plurk users being a highly engaged user base is a good one. Even my mom's biz site/blog has seen a traffic jump from Plurk! |
| AzWebDude | is | yeah 1st time on this.. its flying.. hard to see who responds to what/whom |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Clicktracks is now sold by Lyris. Check out www.lyris.com shoudl be there |
| MackCollier | says | crap this plurkshop on fragmented conversations is getting fragmented! |
| MackCollier | says | !But I love it! |
| Connie | Over 300 now. This is most people we have had on at one time, so it really is flying tonight. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Plurk does not represent your average web user (neither does Twitter) so you can't extend trends to overall web usage |
| AmberCadabra | would love to see a Plurkshop on listening tools: Google Alerts and all these other yummy things |
| Teeg | agrees with MackCollier fragmented and great! |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Also, you can send your Google Alerts to a separate mailbox or filter them and check when you have time. |
| ggroovin | has | to split. Been interesting. Take care! =D |
| templestark | says | teeg offers that we should participate more - but with a choking amount of new SM tools, that seems LESS likely, doesn't it? |
| seerysm | says | have google alerts for my name & seerysm; my blog URL & blog name as well as all topics I'm focused on such as "corporate career websites" |
| MackCollier | says | can't afford a bathroom break!!!!! |
| DebInAustin | says | I am with JenniferLaycock We all are really into learning the newest stuff which puts us in a tough spot when trying to convey Plurk |
| Connie | agrees w/ Jennifer about Twitter/Plurk being FAR from the average web user. And we need to keep that in mind when seeking comments. |
| Teeg | wonders if we should make a plurk of everyone's strengths and let each person lead a plurkshop on their area? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Is anyone actively encouraging people to take the convo to their own community/blog for their own spin? |
| servantofchaos | says | bethharte I use it as a listening post. I setup multiple RSS feeds linked to key topics. Each displays in its own window on a tabbed page |
| Tim Jackson | I have found great value in Statcounter too. I trackback a lot of visitors that way and seen may things Technorati doesn't always catch. |
| puresurplus | says | whoa...i will never be able to read all this later |
| sdavis | says | okay..late response re: PLURKSHOP... |
| Lux | says | as much as I like Plurk, I can't help but think that this would be easier in an old school chat room. |
| mleis | asks | jenniferlaycock are you really ever missing it, or is that just perceived because of lack of good mechanisms to know ur audience? |
| MackCollier | says | Connie Bensen asked for def of Community, right before this starts, think s that would be great plurkshop |
| JenniferLaycock | says | I think it's easy for us to get caught up in how we communicate and expect the world to follow. They will, but not soon. |
| AmberCadabra | JenniferLaycock that's a great point about the "average" user. We all need to remember that not everyone is as imbedded as we are |
| emsgeiss | says | when I launched my mag, there were posts about it @ various places and I was able to go to their blog and thank them for the mention, so |
| JenniferLaycock | says | mleis What is "it" that we're missing? You lost me |
| DebInAustin | says | I have set up tracking for my blog with at least 6 different apps and cross reference b/c they all miss something others find |
| Siegelo | says | a lot to absorb and follow in a very short time. |
| MackCollier | says | I added LiJit search widget, it's reporting slight;y more traffic than sitemeter, I think |
| emsgeiss | says | for me the google alerts are a must-have for the keywords not just my name/handle/biz. |
| servantofchaos | says | has anyone tried addictomatic? I keep finding interesting references there that have otherwise gone unnoticed |
| Teeg | would love to see more of the SEO guys come to these too, she knows several who haven't been and would have good input |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Remember guys, don't just have alerts for YOUR name/biz. Follow your competitors too, or even friends. The convo is all tied together |
| emsgeiss | asks | JenniferLaycock..how do yo mean spin? I posted a poll about SM use and WAHMs on Sat. at the mag's blog if that's what you mean |
| seerysm | says | tip for alerts enter ur “blog topic related words" at Google Suggest - www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en and see what’s most commonly searched |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Just depends on which SEO types you get. Some only value SM for the access to quick/easy links. |
| AmberCadabra | agrees with all of you that this format will take some tweaking, but hang in there! |
| JenniferLaycock | says | It's why I call myself a "recovering SEO" I don't like being lumped in with gamers |
| Connie | asks | Mack, what do you think of Lijit? I need to install it. |
| templestark | says | i have a Coveritlive account. |
| Beth Harte | says | thanks servanofchaos, I'll check it out. |
| emsgeiss | asks | or do you mean for them to branch off at their relative blogs etc...when that happens naturally, I love it. |
| MackCollier | says | Jennifer  |
| mleis | jenniferlaycock convo with your audience |
| Connie | says | Jennifer, you are "white hat" SEO |
| Teeg | laughs I started out in chat rooms and games. That taught me the power of social media before most places were realizing it. |
| Tim Jackson | Jennifer- excellent point; I have done that as well. If I want to know what is being said about a competitor, I create a Google alert. |
| Lux | says | I have 126-work specific feeds in NetNewsWire currently.  |
| MackCollier | says | in hindsight, inviting Plurk newbies to come HERE might not have been best ider ever |
| Tim Jackson | Jennifer- excellent point; I have done that as well. If I want to know what is being said about a competitor, I create a Google alert. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | emsgeiss I mean encouraging them to make a post on their site with their own perspective. |
| Connie | asks | templestark Would CoverItLive be able to keep up with conversation this fast? |
| AzWebDude | is | I use netvibes instead of pageflakes |
| JenniferLaycock | says | I.E. Do you invite folks to go in-depth on their blog, then comment on yours with summary and link to their own blog/full post |
| seerysm | says | alerts.yahoo.com or google.com/alerts; enter search query that you want to be “alerted” about, specify alert frequency; Enter your email |
| Tim Jackson | Sometimes I set one up for just a given product. Helps me see potential issues w/ my own- by reading theirs. |
| templestark | says | don't exlude newbies - they may be smarter  |
| Connie | says | Mack, yeah, we should have invited noobies to the Plurk101 plurkshop. Our bad. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Connie, only hat I ever wear is as cowboy hat. It's brown. There are no hats, only risks/ethics |
| LindaZ | THX jennifer... have google alerts for my company, name and my specialty, never thought of competitors... that will keep me on my toes |
| emsgeiss | says | JenniferLaycock...I haven't yet, but folks at the writer's forum (AW) do w/blog carnival |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Exactly, track comments on words indirectly related to you. Caribou tracked Starbucks and capitalized with SB screwed up |
| emsgeiss | says | at least that's how I understand blog carnival to be. |
| DebInAustin | says | I use google alerts for my political PR work- every key word related to my person/issue possible. It's a lot, but helps me keep up |
| Tim Jackson | Jennifer- another great point. I don't directly ask them to have conversations on their own sites, but I encourage it by participating there |
| JenniferLaycock | says | emsgeiss oh, great point. Blog Carnivals are an excellent example of just that. Encourage bloggers to take it home and make it their own. |
| LindaZ | Plurk newbies will read and lurk and may learn how we play on plurk... then they will come and participate with us |
| Connie | templestark not to exclude newbies, just meaning that this is happening so fast they might be overwhelmed by conversation & not participate |
| emsgeiss | says | I like the idea though...just haven't jumped in the pool yet. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | emsgeiss Yep, used to do a breastfeeding carnival with The Lactivist. They work great at spreading convo around |
| DebInAustin | says | when doing a blog carnival research for quality, I did one, then regretted it when I saw who I was lumped in with. |
| Connie | says | I was just thinking of blog carnivals. |
| DebInAustin | says | I like the idea of blog carnivals, but go for quality. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Tim, but what about actively encouraging it...having a tag at the end of each post welcoming them to do so? Value in that? |
| Connie | says | I'm a Plurk pro and can't keep up with you young'uns tonight. www.sucomments.com/wp-content/Images/skype%20emoticons/pinkboasmall.gif |
| Beth Harte | says | I have tried Addictomatic for myself and work |
| LindaZ | We could have a plurkshop to teach newbies how to plurk on plurk and all the ways to work the timeline... they keep getting overwhelmed |
| Teeg | wonders why we couldn't set up our own SM blog carnival? |
| MackCollier | says | templeshark Plurk has a STEEP learning curve, just dont want to scare any newbies off with how fast this thread is moving |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Connie, They're great, with the right crowd. As Deb says, you have to ersearch it. 5 of us ran one, invited guest entries. Worked great! |
| emsgeiss | says | JenniferLaycock. ... if I had MackCollier's smileys, I do the bowing one too, to you. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie notice the one that didn't like Plurk has come in and taken over?!? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Teeg, sure, it's crazy easy. Happy to help with that if anyone wants. Done them for more than a year. |
| AmberCadabra | For those of you asking about chrisbrogan: www.plurk.com/p/v5ey |
| Connie | I say "we," it's whoever wants to join in. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | LOL.  Mack. That's the benefit of typing 120wpm |
| DebInAustin | says | MackCollier I was just thinking the same thing! |
| Tim Jackson | Jennifer- yes, total value in that. Another thing I have done before is grab a quote, w/ link from another blog & post on mine. |
| seerysm | says | Video responses on sites like seesmic present an interesting challenge - that content isn't indexable by search engines (yet) |
| emsgeiss | says | DebInDenver...yes quality is key...and you don't want what one blogger recently called blog comment pu$$ies LOL |
| mleis | A blog carnival with it's own widget to show the other posts/responses. That would be neat |
| Connie | Just thinking that, Mack. **Now** do you get Plurk, JenniferLaycock?  |
| AmberCadabra | says | if we keep getting this kind of Plurkshop interest, we'll def need to consider forum options |
| emsgeiss | says | sorry that took so long ..had 2 get link & tiny it. |
| Teeg | jenniferlaycock I think a plurk carnival would be neat! Not sure i have the time to set it up, but would gladly help someone else |
| Tim Jackson | Bringing the conversation back to my house, but encouraging folks to visit the source. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | It's all in the format. I LOVE this kind of talk and I don't get it much with "my" crowd.  SEOs... |
| DebInAustin | says | emsgeiss |
| templestark | says | just what connie says - the "non-newbies" seem overwhelmed too. i just called this wading in shallow pool - right before waterfall |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Connie, nope. Could never use it "straight" but in this conversation style, it rocks. |
| Teeg | says | Sure! |
| Tim Jackson | I think that is a nice compromise. People can comment on my site or follow the link back to the originator. |
| MackCollier | says | Jenn does that mean your crowd is know-it-alls? |
| emsgeiss | says | Convo is over 400 replies in under an hour FYI |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Tim, exactly! Experienced bloggers do that all the time, but a lot of folks auto comment, don't think to "bring it home." |
| AmberCadabra | would be happy to dedicate some time to helping with a blog carnival even tho i'm clueless LOL |
| LindaZ | I will play with you all on the plurk 101 and invite all my lagard tweeples |
| Beth Harte | says | A thought...SM experts for specific prod. lines/srvcs. to manage convos w/customers and to 'listen' for new prod. enhancements. My utopia |
| JenniferLaycock | says | LOL...No, it means they're...let's not go there. They'll kick me out. |
| DebInAustin | says | I'd be happy to work on that with you Amber |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Tim, but you know, people "remember" when we remind them. Maybe we shoudl be PUSHING fragmentation ourselves? Embrace and spread it |
| Beth Harte | says | it would be their job to manage the channels. |
| Connie | seerysm, have you checked out viewzi.com -- beginning to do video search. |
| JenniferLaycock | thinks | she's being an awful mom leaving her kid up because she doesn't awnt to miss any convo here  |
| emsgeiss | says | would be agreat idea...the plurk blog carnival |
| AmberCadabra | Deb fab - we can hopefully snag some of Jen's wisdom |
| Teeg | is | getting excited about this...a carnival and plurkshop will also put plurk out there more, and give it more "credit" |
| templestark | says | RE seerysm - Video as biz tools/ means to an end, is overrated, I believe but am often wrong. |
| Beth Harte | says | i like the idea of embracing fragmentation |
| AmberCadabra | cripes, get up to pee and have to scroll back a mile LOL. I LOVE it! |
| emsgeiss | says | TimJackson when you say the source, you mean the source of where they saw the orig. post or link or whatev? |
| Teeg | JenniferLaycock LOL Mine's up too, but I'm leaving Daddy to care for him |
| Beth Harte | says | blog carnival? |
| JenniferLaycock | thinks | Beth ditto...I see the frustration, but again, my SEO mind says "spread it! spread it far and wide!!" Then worry about tracking |
| Tim Jackson | Phil- Thanks brother. Jennifer- I agree that seeking that wider convo is wonderful. I comment all over the map seeking ways to do that. |
| templestark | says | I've fanned a few here, I am fascinated and want to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| emsgeiss | says | JenniferLaycock...I sent min on pre-bed walk with Daddy LOL, sun finally went down here |
| DebInAustin | says | AmberCadabra I hear You! I haven't had dinner yet and it's killing me, but I know if I leave... |
| Tim Jackson | It's not easy to go back and find them all, but they take the time to find me- it's the least I can do. |
| emsgeiss | says | as in just now, and it's still kinda light out |
| JenniferLaycock | thinks | she's going to have to test out this "pushing fragmentation" thing on her blog...this is worth testing. |
| DebInAustin | says | bethharte a group of blogers post around a similar topic hosted by one blogger- a carnival of posts |
| Tim Jackson | My goal all along has been to create a person for people to relate to- that's me. If they relate to me, then by extension maybe the brand. |
| seerysm | says | I think webcasts/ conferences that are available in video formats like what you find on Ustream have a ton of potential for business |
| MackCollier | says | Amber 460 replies in first hour, best ever I think |
| JenniferLaycock | thinks | Blog Carnival: One topic, bunch of bloggers post on same day, all link to each other's perspectives. Great link/traffic/convo driver |
| centernetworks | is | i love social media! |
| Connie | says | The longer these get, the more we need someone to recap them the next day, like Amber did before. |
| emsgeiss | says | TimJackson, I think that's exactly what Mack was getting at in his post @ Viral Garden |
| MackCollier | says | Connie I have almost given up, gonna have to read thread again tomorrow |
| AmberCadabra | JenniferLaycock agree with you. Worth testing. I plan to post about it and test it, even with my lil' readership LOL |
| Beth Harte | says | fragmentation makes sense to me b'cause that's human nature, people skip around. |
| Beth Harte | says | a blog carnival sounds great, count me in for one! |
| seerysm | says | connie - I have not seen viewzi.com/ - checking it out now |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Yep, would love to see a recap of this. Hard to follow, even as a fast reader |
| emsgeiss | says | hard to type too..even as a fast typist |
| Teeg | has | a list of many of the bloggers from her friends list and what they blog about...would that help with the carnival? |
| Connie | Know what? Would love to have this conversation as a virtual panel -- webinar, Second Life, something. Fantastic conversation! |
| AmberCadabra | mackcollier I just started it, it's got a life of it's own! LOL |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Amber, I think several of us should all try it. Track average number of inbound links to each post before and after. I'm up for it. |
| emsgeiss | says | with these kind of convos, none of *us* will need BrainAge |
| Tim Jackson | Erika- yes, exactly. I find something and then I encourage folks to visit that space when I mention it. I like to "share the wealth". |
| AmberCadabra | I'm happy to keep summarizing our plurkshops but we need to get the site set up so I can do it there. |
| Connie | I think we have fragmented our own conversation/plurkshop, simply because of information overload. My Mighty Brain is aching. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Nice job Amber,this convo is enough to bring me back for future Plurkshops, even if I hate "standard" Plurk |
| Connie | Then we could expand later. |
| Teeg | thinks | fragmenting like this is good though...we can always come back to the other topics to add more depth |
| AmberCadabra | connie i was reading your mind. need to limit some participation to start with and get a handle on things |
| Beth Harte | says | Folks, need to pack it in. Will read this tomorrow. ambercadabera, thanks for kicking this off! Again, learned a ton of new apps. |
| Connie | Amber, let's work on the site this week. Have it up before next plurkshop. We'll transfer your recaps to the new site. |
| bigepaz | says | I'm learning a lot just by lurking. but excluding us newbies sounds disingenuous |
| Beth Harte | says | connie, great idea! |
| seerysm | says | enjoyed this - thanks to everyone that participated! |
| Connie | Erika, yes would need big room but know places/companies that do that. Maybe they could host? |
| AzWebDude | is | still rather lost on Plurk, telling me to go to another thread?? what threads.. BUT greta chat and lots of new apps.. |
| AmberCadabra | pchaney reserved the plurkshops domain, so that would be the place to summarize these. My blog might not be the right vehicle |
| JenniferLaycock | says | I don't like the idea of excluding folks either...surely there's a platform that can handle it all. |
| Beth Harte | says | even though it's tough to keep up, and I'd hate for folks to be excluded, I think it needs to be that way...at least to test it out. |
| Tim Jackson | Rachel- I agree, it's harder when you have multiple products. You need brand champions. That's really my job (among other things). |
| Connie | Thanks to everyone -- this has been awesome. |
| acnatta | says | hello but plans to just hang out on the sidelines and read... |
| AzWebDude | feels | as far as new readers or control of content.. new/good content keeps readers coming back and new ones joining |
| servantofchaos | says | Connie ... SL might be the best way to do this ... but does it capture the threads? |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Amber, but summarize there and invite everyone else to link to summary with their own blog post/take on the convo. |
| JenniferLaycock | says | That will build up links to the new site, index it faster, get you ranking for hot topics of discussion |
| Connie | One hour and over 500 comments. Will really enjoy rereading this tomorrow. |
| AmberCadabra | bigepaz no intention of excluding newbies at all, just asking them to sign up is all |
| Beth Harte | says | theGypsy is going to try cliques for daily SEO Plurkshops...we'll see how that works out. |
| MackCollier | says | nite Beth! |
| emsgeiss | says | and it's a platform w/a whiteboard & Web interface as well as chat/sound I just presented at a conf. on ivocalize earlier this month |
| AmberCadabra | Jen, I will totally do that esp. when we get the site up and going |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Connie, surely with this crowd we can find a company to sponsor? Then RSVP up to a certain audience size. First come, first serve |
| DebInAustin | says | nite Beth! |
| AzWebDude | thinks | amberCadabra should post that at the top.. I think I am signed up but not sure |
| Tim Jackson | Night Beth. |
| theGypsy | says | too much fragmentation isn't great IMO.... since I was tasked earlier to do some SEO PlurkShops this thread is quite educational.... |
| Connie | Gavin, I think you can do that in SL. Question there is whether you do voice or text. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie I'm already thinking about how many blog posts I could get from this |
| emsgeiss | says | night beth |
| Connie | Jennifer, I think you're right and I have contacts at a couple of companies. Will check with them about hosting. |
| AmberCadabra | AzWebDude sorry missed you - post what at the top? If you mean the plurkshops.com site, it's not up yet. |
| theGypsy | says | one needs multiple threads IMO and I am also having peeps *sign up* so I can use cliques for them... makes it easier to find them later |
| MackCollier | says | also thinking how a company could do this internally with a clique of just their employees, have a 'brainstorming' session on a set topic |
| acnatta | thinks | cliques are a great idea - the cool thing about the plurkshops were having convos in small groups |
| MackCollier | says | there's your business use for Plurk |
| seerysm | says | thanks for hosting ambercadabra - need any help cleaning up? |
| acnatta | will | agree with Rachel about a good old fashioned chat room though |
| Connie | Erika, you can't join a clique. Name is misleading. It's really just a group mailing list created by individual plurker. |
| AmberCadabra | connie let me know if you need a hand organizing. i'm not as up with the tools, but can help coordinate if you need me. |
| theGypsy | says | for the life of me can't see a dedicated convo on social media... this one seems to drift... thus specific threads for centric convos |
| bigepaz | loves | the idea of Plurkshops, no matter how overwhelming it gets. thanks everyone! |
| AmberCadabra | i created a plurkshoppers clique but quickly realized that i was bound to omit people unwillingly |
| LindaZ | night to all really enjoyed reading your plurks learned a lot, please let us at least lurk  |
| Connie | Amber, I will definitely need help organizing it. Limited time, but have some good contacts and ideas. Let's do it! |
| ckeithley | says | I wish I hadn't joined the party late. But, I finally joined Plurk, which is something. |
| Teeg | thinks | when you get several people talking about anything, the subject tends to drift naturally unless 1 person keeps everyone on subject |
| AzWebDude | feels | amberCadabra that they should sign up.. its ok...new to this and its flying.. learned new things |
| Connie | says | Lurkers are *always* welcome. So are participants, newbies to pros alike. |
| MackCollier | says | i have no idea what you guys are talking about organizing, def have to re-read tomorrow |
| AmberCadabra | says | I'm so GLAD for everyone here and I'm thrilled y'all stuck out the fast pace. My head hurts LOL |
| MackCollier | says | Hi Cara!!!!! |
| emsgeiss | says | LOL |
| CallKathy | is | not going to be able to keep up with the plurkshop tonight for many reasons. *wonders* if it will be republished anywhere |
| AmberCadabra | Hi Cara! Glad you made it. |
| AzWebDude | thinks | (hard to do at this moment to) that amberCadabra did a great job, also that she owes pitcchers of margarittas |
| Connie | Agree that the conversation drifts on these plurkshops; nature of people and tools. |
| Beth Harte | says | Hi Cara! |
| DebInAustin | says | thanks everyone! I gotta grab some chow! I look forward to reading the thread tomorrow. Great job Amber & crew! |
| AmberCadabra | callkathy I'm going to summarize and post to my blog about it, so I'll plurk the link. Check back on this thread and the timeline |
| Connie | Other alternative is for host to moderate; this forum not ideal for moderation though. |
| Teeg | agrees with AzWebDude that AmberCadabra did a great job! |
| seerysm | says |  |
| Tim Jackson | My head hurts too Amber- but it could be the skull fracture and 3 cracked vertebrae. Maybe. I dunno. |
| emsgeiss | says | see you later DebinDenver |
| Beth Harte | says | teeg, I don't think David's on the PlurkShop, you might want to plurk him in another plurk... |
| AmberCadabra | AzWebDude did someone say margaritas?? |
| MackCollier | says | 569 replies in 75 mins |
| Tim Jackson | My plurk was eaten. |
| seerysm | says | beat THAT friendfeed |
| templestark | agrees a more narrowly defined topic would help immensely. A little moderator, hence the "hosting duties." |
| acnatta | says | well I'll eventually catch up on this one later on to find out what happened and drop notes to folks later on |
| AzWebDude | asks | does Summize or something similar track this..outside of plurk? |
| Connie | bookmark the URL to this thread so you can come back and reread: www.plurk.com/p/v4rf |
| AmberCadabra | thanks all but I did very little. I'll do my part by recapping and posting by tomorrow. I'll link in this thread and on the timeline. |
| MackCollier | says | the ultimate irony is that I've added about 7 Twitter followers since I started yammerin about THIS convo there! |
| Teeg | thinks | recapping this one is going to be a big job in itself |
| ckeithley | will | be ready for the next Plurkshop. Thanks for the warmwelcome |
| AmberCadabra | i think some topic refinement is good, and we should talk about moderation that will be helpful and not limit the conversation |
| MackCollier | says | I would have gotten about 7 in last hour if I had been talking ON twitter instead |
| beckymccray | thinks | this seems like Open Mic Night at Liz Strauss's. |
| AzWebDude | says | AmberCadabra..well if you were in AZ I might offer to buy for you.. |
| CallKathy | asks | that the link be plurked in another plurk as well as here. and is glad that it will be blogged! |
| AzWebDude | shares | that I too was on Twitter at the start...so doing both was difficult |
| JenniferLaycock | says | Hmm, I think I can pull at least a dozen blog posts out of this convo, now THERE is biz value. |
| jcass | is | amazed how something everyone thinks is waste of time can be use to this great conversation.  |
| Tim Jackson | Welcome ckiethley! It's never too late to Plurk. |
| templestark | glad to meet y'all. I need to breathe again. Bailing out the hatch . Thanks. |
| Connie | Food for thought: we could limit plurkshops to 10 ppl per thread; have simultaneous threads going. Limiting would be done by using cliques. |
| Tim Jackson | Ok, gotta run pleople. The food I put in the oven is now on fire! |
| Teeg | says | Glad to meet you too templestark |
| emsgeiss | says | AmberCadabra thanks for hosting. I have to bail for a bit..the boys are back from their walk. But I'll see you all in a bit, I'm sure. |
| AmberCadabra | Thanks templestark, glad to meet you! |
| Teeg | says | keep an eye on your cliques though, they have a bug right now |
| MackCollier | says | right seerysm, if we did this on Friendfeed, it would have about 40 replies at best now |
| emsgeiss | says | This as been just awesome! |
| AmberCadabra | I have a zillion blog post ideas from this too. Ouch. Need to filter brain. |
| MackCollier | says | LMAO! Tim be careful Mr. Mom!!!! |
| AmberCadabra | jcass We agree!! |
| AzWebDude | thinks | that FF too if you have the right box checked would vere off all over.. |
| AmberCadabra | connie i like simultaneous threads, but still want a way for everyone to participate. I'm not giving up yet. |
| MackCollier | says | Jennifer it's a race to SEG!!!! |
| MackCollier | says | bethharte suggested that we have a Plurk 101 and Plurk 201 plurkshops going at same time, might be good idea |
| Connie | asks | Mack, which would you rather have. 40 comments in a day or two. Or 615 in less than 2 hrs.? |
| Teeg | noticed it when her marketing clique would only send you LOL |
| AzWebDude | thinks | it would be cool for each thread to have a title like on seesmic, where there are multiple convos going, but you can respond where u want |
| AmberCadabra | i think really tightening the topic might help a great deal |
| AzWebDude | thinks | the basic, how to respond etc can be a link at the top of this convo..thats all i was looking for..i went to twitter to get the answer |
| MackCollier | says | Connie good point, depends on how 'deep' the comments go, if they build on each other, think 40 in a couple of days would be better |
| MackCollier | says | i think we need to tweak this to maximize value, it's almost too active |
| AzWebDude | says | AmberCadabra , true, but this topic is soo wide open, controlling that range may be tough.. |
| AzWebDude | says | teeg I think you are on twitter, can you DM me? |
| Teeg | wonders if a big plurkshop like this once a week, and then plurkshops evolved from that conversation over the rest of the week would work? |
| Connie | MackCollier, agree that this is too overwhelming to be workable. We have to tweak it here, or try diferent venue such as CoverItLive. |
| Teeg | is | and can...are you AzWebDude there too? |
| Connie | We need to count up how many different people participated. It was way busier than usual. I loved it, but it was hard to follow that fast. |
| ericaogrady | says | feeling a little bit late to the party - but Hello All You Social Media Superstars |
| AmberCadabra | mackcollier agree with you. Maybe a handful of us can brainstorm on a different thread. |
| AzWebDude | thinks | mini topics of sorts, maybe Tuesdays are "blog days", I teach so I see the power of this..as well as the confusion/slow it down/this is cool |
| Connie | says | Hey, ericaogrady. You missed the live action, but we'll we back with more plurkshop fun and conversation. |
| MackCollier | says | Erica just mark it and read later, that's what I'm going to do! www.plurk.com/p/v4rf |
| Teeg | is | rather impressed with Plurk for keeping up with this. |
| acnatta | enjoys seeing the convos but misses some of the interaction of the earlier ones... |
| AbleReach | says | I lurked this time. Cool experiment. |
| AmberCadabra | i counted 41 on a quick pass |
| Teeg | pointed out to a friend yesterday that Plurk is in beta...and still having less problems that twitter which should be in beta. |
| acnatta | thinks | lurking was fun this time to see where the convos went... |
| AmberCadabra | doesn't count lurkers of course |
| AzWebDude | asks | if anyone here is woth Plurk? or is that a "show", "broadcast", or what |
| Teeg | thinks | this one felt rushed, but still there is something to a huge chat. Definitely not all the time, but good sometimes. |
| MackCollier | says | ok guys I have to duck out for a while, will be back later or tomorrow, just amazing thread everyone! Amber! |
| Connie | Maybe we should invite someone w/ Plurk to join us, and show how we're using the cool site they built. |
| Teeg | I wonder if we took these discussions and split them into natural breaks, could they then be posted as a blog post? |
| AmberCadabra | see you soon mackcollier |
| Teeg | That would give others the opportunity to read managable posts and join in the discussion without a time limit |
| AmberCadabra | connie i thought about that! be the facilitators and then just hush LOL but then peeps would miss having perspective from some veterans |
| AzWebDude | asks | teeg, once I got a few things I was ok.. lol if being 200 msgs behind is ok..i loved the value of new stuff I got.. now to play |
| AmberCadabra | rickwolff well, the whirlwind is certainly past, i think. but bookmark the page and you can catch up later, and join the next one |
| AzWebDude | loves | the term " veterans" that AmberCadabra used..LOL veterans in something that is not even a year old maybe |
| AmberCadabra | oh i meant more topic-related veterans than Plurk veterans LOL |
| MarketingMag | says | wow - so late to this excellent initiative. As a publisher, I'm forever chasing interesting stories and conversations. |
| AzWebDude | will | be back for the next one if someone tells him about it..going to make dinner.. margarittas(AmberCadabra) and gonna go see what all I missed. |
| Teeg | thinks | AmberCadabra probably means social media veterans...some of us have been doing this a while. |
| MarketingMag | says | a Plurkshop specifically on listening and monitoring tools would be a great resource. |
| AmberCadabra | AzWebDude if you follow me, connie, mackcollier teeg or debindenver you're bound to hear about the next one |
| AmberCadabra | marketingmag agreed! I'm hoping we can get JenniferLaycock to do one. |
| AzWebDude | is | following all of those and some on Twitter.. thanks!!! assuming twitter works and I see teh twitt... |
| AmberCadabra | i'm with ya! Twitter has been more than frustrating these days. |
| amsall | says | WOW, 671 responses!!! Congrats to the host AmberCadabra, Connie, MackCollier, JenniferLaycock, and all. I just lurked and listened |
| Amie | says | holy frak, I am late to this party. And just read allll of what came above before posting. Great social media meta to ponder! |
| Amie | says | I will definitely have to re-read this all tomorrow with fresh eyeballs. |
| MapleMama | asks | if there were be a synopsis or plurkpoint of this. I can't read all this tonight! |
| AmberCadabra | is.gd/Izw Here's the summary of tonight's conversation. Enjoy! |
| SharonHH | says | sorry I missed this. I'll check out the summary |
| rumford | thinks | that the fact that you can have all the comments on one page on plurk is truly amazing |
| Connie | says | Hope you'll join us for another plurkshop. Lots of good discussions going on around here. |
| -vanMaanen- | says | Good stuff! Dropped in too late, hope to see more soon. |
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