| Connie | says | tonight's plurkshop is about traditional marketers using social networks to broadcast messages. What do you think of GuyKawasaki, etc? |
Jun 28, 2008 -
07:23PM
| Connie | says | tonight's plurkshop is about traditional marketers using social networks to broadcast messages. What do you think of GuyKawasaki, etc? |
| ConnieBensen | GuyKawasaki is here now - maybe he'll join the convo? This is my first plurkshop by the way |
| Connie | says | Connie, I doubt that he will but would love it if he did. He has stated quite clearly about his Twitter usage that he's a marketer. |
| Connie | And that he uses these channels to market his products. He did not engage w/ anyone at all when first using Twitter. Then he gradually |
| Connie | began to follow others and have some conversations. I quit following him there, so I don't know how involved he has stayed w/ interacting. |
| Connie | says | I think that's his choice, and it's my choice to use social networks in a different way. He broadcasts; I connect through conversation. |
| orchid8 | is | not up to a plurkshop. sorry.  |
| Beth Harte | says | thanks Connie for the plurkshop. |
| ConnieBensen | I followed him, then turned it off. Now I follow him again on Twitter & he's interacting. It's nice to see |
| Beth Harte | says | it just dawned on me that perhaps in Guy's line of business (VC), trad. marketing is what he needs. |
| ConnieBensen | I see a lot of broadcasting here - but he's following me |
| ConnieBensen | you dare me to talk to him here? I never have chatted with him  |
| MackCollier | says | honestly the only 'interaction' I've seen from Guy on Twitter is to ask people what they want on AllTop. Can't be all about you. |
| AmberCadabra | I still have an issue with using SM tools as merely broadcast. I think you have to be willing to engage for people for them to listen |
| MackCollier | says | BTW I won't follow Guy until he proves that he's here to interact, not broadcast. |
| AmberCadabra | it's a give and take. |
| Connie | says | I made an effort to converse w/ Guy on Twitter but he totally ignored me. That's when I quit following him. I'd be happy to chat w/ him |
| AmberCadabra | i'm following him to kind of see what his intentions are. |
| AmberCadabra | it's interesting, because someone like chrisbrogan is all about community, but can hardly respond to all his followers. |
| Connie | says | I'm following him too. Don't know if he followed me back. I added him back at the first of the month when he started on Plurk. |
| AmberCadabra | but i do see him engaging, so even if it's not with me, i give him credit for really caring about it |
| Connie | asks | then is chrisbrogan **really** all about community if he follows so many people he cannot engage with them? |
| AmberCadabra | I'm following scobelizer too, because I want to see how he treats this new platform |
| MackCollier | says | Connie you may remember Guy and I talked on Twitter one night about creating value vs extracting |
| AmberCadabra | connie Dunno the answer to that! He's super great about responding to my emails and comments, but Twitter is harder to follow. |
| Connie | I think I do remember that, Mack. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie that's a good point. I think Chris is one of the guys that can't say no to anyone, so he tries to follow everyone |
| AmberCadabra | To me, the difference is that I believe in Chris Brogan's intentions, even if it's hard for him to execute. |
| Connie | says | I don't think anyone who uses an autoscript to follow everyone (as Chris does) is not as community-minded as he says. |
| Connie | It is impossible to interact with that many people, so all you are really doing is building a group of fans, not a community. |
| AmberCadabra | You make a really good point, Connie. So do you see selective following with more engagement as a better strategy? |
| ConnieBensen | one night when I had a career question chrisbrogan called me & we talked for 15 min's while he was driving. He is sincere |
| AmberCadabra | What happens when you engage so well that oyu get an onslaught of followers as a result? |
| Connie | He's another one who asks a lot of questions just to generate a lot of responses coming into his Twitter stream. |
| Connie | I've talked to Chris several times and he is sincere. I just think he's building the Chris Brogan brand more than he's building community |
| ConnieBensen | but he does have a huge community - I've felt changes as mine grows too - but I'm chatting more in real time - skype & digsby (facebook) |
| Beth Harte | says | chris just sent a tweet telling folks to link into him. Looking for fans on LinkedIn or looking to engage with people and have convos? |
| MackCollier | says | Guy replied back that he 'won't be here long then' if we expect interaction from him |
| AmberCadabra | Urp. I just read Guy's response to mackcollier on this other plurk. www.plurk.com/p/thsj |
| Connie | I can't help thinking Chris is all about the numbers. I do not want to be LinkedIn with just anyone who wants to. What is the purpose? |
| Beth Harte | says | if I might ask...could it be that we do not fall into an SM's target market, thus they don't feel the need to converse? |
| LindaZ | I believe plurkers need conversations and if marketers are only going to post their broadcast msgs and not participate... |
| Beth Harte | says | perhaps Chris is only looking to work with F500 marketers and reservse conversing w/them? |
| MackCollier | says | Beth, Guy has got a website set up that appears to be costing him next to nothing, so he only wants to push traffic to it |
| AmberCadabra | I agree with you, LindaZ. I look so fwd to logging on here because I really enjoy the connections. |
| LindaZ | I believe most of the real plurkers who come here to participate will start to stop following them or block them... thats my 2 cents |
| MackCollier | says | Connie I agree on LinkedIn, I am picky about it |
| Connie | agrees w/ Beth. Chris is looking to get gigs w/ top companies. He's building a community to prove to them he can do it. |
| Beth Harte | says | ambercadabra, I have tried to converse, but never get a response. Could be lack of time, could be lack of interest, or they don't know me. |
| MackCollier | says | The one thing that makes me think Chris isn't about numbers is that I can't recall him ever mentioning # of followers on Twitter |
| MackCollier | says | the ones that are all about numbers are constantly bragging about how many followers they have |
| Connie | When I say Chris is about numbers it's stunts like the LinkedIn, about gathering thousands of followers on Twitter when he knows he |
| Connie | cannot possible engage with more than a relative handful. |
| AmberCadabra | bethharte I've tried to start conversations with folks other than Chris and get nada. And I admit, it's hard not to take it personally |
| AmberCadabra | I don't think Chris gets his ego stroked by numbers. I think connie's point about proving his community-building ability is sharp. |
| MackCollier | says | I think Chris likes to assemble a large community of followers, then tap them for Q&As, and also shares links with them |
| AmberCadabra | part of what leaves a bad taste in my mouth about Twitter is when i DO make the effort to jump in and get ignored. |
| MackCollier | says | but after meeting Chris, I can say he had zero ego when I saw him |
| AmberCadabra | I believe that, mackcollier. Plus, I really find the information Chris provides to be useful and interesting |
| Connie | Back to a point Amber made ... Yes, I think selective following to maximize engagement is the way to go. |
| swoodruff | says | my bet is that these platforms will increasingly self-select and self-define. Broadcasters will tend toward one, conversers (sp?) to another |
| Connie | I admire Chris's ability to generate good content consistently. He is a gold mine in that respect. |
| ScrapNancy | asks | Connie, Chris was at BlogOrlando, wasn't he? |
| Beth Harte | says | I agree w/connie...it's about proving community building. So, then, in a sense, it's trad. marketing. |
| MackCollier | says | I will say that I met Chris at SXSW, where he was alongside some A-Listers with SERIOUS egos, Chris stood out as being 'real' |
| DebInAustin | says | oh man! I behind the game and I still have to eat dinner! |
| AmberCadabra | I guess the other problem is that I haven't found Guy's content to be that engaging. Sorry, guy. |
| Connie | says | I can't remember if he was at BlogOrlando. Was he? |
| Connie | says | I don't think so. Chris Heuer was. And Geoff Livingston. |
| Connie | says | Chris Brogan spoke for me at Blogtoberfest last year. |
| Lux | says | I met Chris at BlogWorld Expo. He seemed nice, but he also has a business to run. And that's OK. He is who he is. |
| Connie | Look at Seth Godin. Much like Guy, he is a *traditional* marketer. Does not enable comments on his blog. And he does not Twitter. |
| KDFrawg❤ | says | < smile > I hate to be just common-sensical, but some of these folk's don't know a thing about actual interaction. |
| Connie | The Seth Godin on Twitter is a fan, not the real Seth Godin. |
| KDFrawg❤ | says | Every time I see them, they are just selling themselves. I'm hapy that there are exceptions. |
| KDFrawg❤ | says | Brogan is one, I think, and sometimes Maki can be pretty darned engaging. |
| Beth Harte | is | in agreement with rachel. But I'd still like to say then admit that you still embrace trad. marketing. |
| Beth Harte | is | I'd respect that. |
| Beth Harte | is | and yes, I do like Chris' blog, good stuff...except that one on being sexy. |
| KDFrawg❤ | says | I think part of the problem is mine, in that I feel stongly that life is more than a brand or a business. |
| Connie | I've had a few quibbles w/ Chris Brogan's blog and his Twitter packs, which I removed myself from, but he does provide good content. |
| Beth Harte | shares | and I have had interactions with Geoff, he is great. He answered my email, he helped support my local PRSA, etc. |
| Connie | Chris does like to push the envelope and I sometimes feel like he uses his community as social media guinea pigs, which I called him on. |
| pfanderson | says | now you ask |
| Connie | says | Geoff is another good speaker and content provider. I enjoyed playing real-life Scrabble w/ him at BlogOrlando. |
| AmberCadabra | I find it interesting that we talked about using trad. marketing to promote SM, but it seems hard to make it work in reverse |
| Lux | says | there's wide latitude when it comes to what is or is not "Social Media". Still, there's a point where you have left the ballpark. |
| Beth Harte | says | so then, how do you feel about marketers using SM tools to continue with trad. marketing? |
| seerysm | says | I think that it is not right medium - it comes off as marketing and not authentic interaction, so more brand damaging than enhancing |
| Lux | asks | does what I do here enhance my employer's brand? |
| seerysm | says | depends on what you DO here  |
| seerysm | says | it absolutely could if you aree authentically sharing with your community what you love about your job or discuss your company culture |
| Connie | agrees w/ seerysm. We talked about this the other night. TimJackson being on here enhances Masi's brand. |
| Connie | Because mixed in with all the great conversations we have w/ Tim, he just can't help being a Masi evangelist because he is so |
| Connie | passionate about the sport of biking and the Masi product. |
| AmberCadabra | agrees with connie and seerysm. I find value in the people first and track them thru to their product/brand |
| DebInAustin | says | we had a prof at school who said major in professors, not topics. He meant look for the best teachers |
| Lux | says | excellent point Deb. I did that in grad school. |
| AmberCadabra | Thats GREAT advice. I remember the material from the classes where I had brilliant teachers. Many outside my major |
| seerysm | says | my honest feeling after reading Guy's comment to Mack was disappointment, that's brand damage. I asked for clarification on his position |
| DebInAustin | says | seerysm has he responded yet? |
| AmberCadabra | He hasn't. I just checked. |
| Beth Harte | says | that was my point for Twitter vs. Plurk for getting SM help as a marketer. I am getting to know and trust folks here. |
| Beth Harte | says | last week it was a WP template, but a month from now it could be a consulting gig. |
| Beth Harte | says | I know you, I know your brands, I know your passion. And I have read your blogs. That is SM!! |
| AmberCadabra | Amen, sista! |
| seerysm | says | SM creates a feeling of intimacy, credibility and trust - the foundation of any good relationship |
| AmberCadabra | And i can honestly say if I ever needed a referral or help on a project, my community here is the first place I'd go |
| Connie | Beth has a good point about TRUST. Conversations build trust. Broadcasting messages doesn't. And we want to do biz w/ ppl we know & trust. |
| DebInAustin | says | well, I think I am always trying to help my client marry their traditional with the new, mostly in PR, so I think it's difficult to draw a |
| DebInAustin | says | line where one begins and the other ends |
| DebInAustin | says | well, we know the value of the building community piece and I think anyone who is TRULY successful builds that and skips bcasting, IMO |
| MackCollier | says | this is why I am constantly harping about what Tim Jackson does with SM, because it's COMPLETELY hands-off marketing, and perfect for SM |
| AmberCadabra | Beth's point is spot on. Building trust makes the methods of marketing blur a bit |
| AmberCadabra | I feel ooky about broadcasting. Cripes, i feel guilty about posting my blog posts, but i only do it if i think it's relevant |
| MackCollier | says | when trust is added, it shifts from being marketing to communication |
| epodcaster | says | I've had the opportunity to hang out with Chris at Blogtoberfest last year and Barcamp Austin this year. He's always come across as genuine. |
| MackCollier | says | Chris and Pistachio both impressed me at SXSW as being zero ego |
| Beth Harte | says | next point, the problem is, which I will foretell tonight, as F500 marketers embrace SM, they will go after the big names for consult. |
| Beth Harte | says | and it will be a huge marketing round roubin. |
| Beth Harte | says | robin |
| Beth Harte | says | F500s won't change, they will struggle to relinq. their brand. |
| ScrapNancy | says | I kwym Amber. I rarely post here about blog updates unless it's something I think has a broad audience. |
| DebInAustin | says | right. It's really important for those F500 cos to learn the value of building community and trust. |
| MackCollier | says | beth I think you'll see some of that, like Ford getting Scott Monty |
| Beth Harte | says | And the A-listers getting the gigs will advice on using the likes of Twitter to "market." |
| Connie | agrees w/ Beth, and that is exactly why you see Christ Brogan and Pistachio using Twitter the way they do. |
| Beth Harte | says | not to build a relationship or trust |
| MackCollier | says | funny because I remember a couple of years ago all the startups were making runs on top bloggers as 'community evangelists' |
| Connie | They are building community for the sake of building a community, using it to leverage business. |
| MackCollier | says | then a lot of them went into consulting |
| ScrapNancy | says | yeah, not enough control over the message in SM for F500 |
| Beth Harte | says | just look at Gartner on Twitter vs. Forrester. "Today Gartner released news on XYZ..." |
| Beth Harte | says | vs. how Jeremiah handles it. |
| Connie | Although I think Jeremiah has changed since he has gone w/ Forrester. |
| AmberCadabra | again, it's a SHOVE of their content vs. an invitation. I see them very differently. |
| Lux | Not all of the F1000 are clueless. |
| Lux | agrees Forrester has changed Jeremiah |
| Beth Harte | says | I don't know him well, where was he before? |
| Beth Harte | says | My point was Gartner uses Twitter like they are sending a release over the wire. |
| MackCollier | says | I will say this: When you start meeting these people at confs, you see who is geniune, and who is in it for them |
| MackCollier | says | BTW Connie you've done it again, great convo! |
| AmberCadabra | bethharte i'm with you on that. |
| Beth Harte | says | I think we'll find in the coming years that companies that truly embrace SM will be like shooting stars...and others will sit back saying... |
| Lux | agrees with Mack |
| Beth Harte | says | how'd they do that?? |
| AmberCadabra | It's a good think mackcollier isn't passionate about anything. |
| AmberCadabra | bethharte as you and i have talked about, those that excel will not see SM as a "new" marketing vehicle, but a guidepost |
| AmberCadabra | for having better conversation and dialogue with better tools |
| seerysm | says | I really expected community evangelists like Chrisbrogan and Pistachio to be into plurk. I didn't see the "I'm just not into it" coming |
| MackCollier | says | right Beth, the ones that embrace SM early on are going to be SO far ahead of competition. |
| DebInAustin | says | and I think that dialogue will lead to bigger stuff on down the line as technology changes |
| Lux | asks | how you would define embracing social media? |
| seerysm | says | active discussions, the conversation is the Hallmark of a thriving community - I expected Plurk's value to be self evident to those folks |
| Beth Harte | says | well, I am surprised by some others who preach conversation not wanting to converse. |
| AmberCadabra | rachel for me, it would be the willingness to listen to what your company's community is saying about your brand and converse w/them |
| Connie | says | , And great convo at your place, Mack. It's like we have simultaneous plurkshops going on! |
| DebInAustin | says | seerysm I would add doing things to build the conversation- new tools, environments, etc. |
| AmberCadabra | the tools are really irrelevant IMO, it's more the philosophy that's important |
| Beth Harte | says | Twitter isn't a good conversing tool, that's just my HO. It's a great broadcasting tool though. |
| Beth Harte | says | I don't think Plurk should be considered a micro-blogging site. |
| seerysm | says | fostering "real"conversation I would say letting the community drive the brand |
| DebInAustin | says | on the point of people preaching conversation- some people really think they are encouraging/participating in convo when they say that |
| DebInAustin | says | they just don't really know how to converse |
| seerysm | says | I hit enter too fast - but you get the gist |
| Teeg | wonders if twitter spoiled people into thinking they could have "interaction" without having to participate **with** people much? |
| Lux | notes that as a company get bigger, the conversation is going to fragment. |
| Connie | agrees w/ Deb. Some people really do not know how to converse. A lot of geeks who are into social media actually lack social skills. |
| DebInAustin | says | well, and then everyone comes from a different culture. I often feel out of place in the south, New Yorkers can seem totally harsh to me, et |
| AmberCadabra | that's a really interesting point, connie and DebInDenver |
| Beth Harte | says | rachel, how so? |
| Lux | notes that it is an interesting dynamic tension -- traditionally non-social geeks at the forefront of SM. |
| Teeg | thinks | some reactions go beyond lack of social skills though...she knows geeks like that, but they're not going to add 21,000 followers. |
| DebInAustin | says | those cultures- whether we are verbal, or non-verbal communicators teach us different ways of communication- direct, indirect, explicit, etc |
| DebInAustin | says | so I am not saying anyone LACKS social skills we all just have different ones |
| Connie | I think conversation is fragmenting because you can't control where it happens anymore. Moves from blogs, to Twitter, to FF, to FB, to Plurk |
| DebInAustin | says | so different communication mediums work for different people. Think about how many great athletes you know who are great coaches, few- |
| DebInAustin | says | usually different skills, in a few people it overlaps. |
| Connie | Drives some bloggers crazy because the comments are not happening on their blogs anymore, so they can't track it or get Technorati "juice." |
| AmberCadabra | my takeaway from my adventures in SM (note, not S AND M) is that finding a way to have dialogue is the key. can be a tool like plurk |
| Connie | agrees w/ Rachel about diverse communities building up and adding to the fragmentation of conversation. |
| Lux | says | geeze, I need to start dinner at some point. |
| AmberCadabra | OR, just finding a better way to listen to and talk with your community |
| Teeg | says | or control it. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie I think fragmented conversations would be excellent topic for tomorrow night's plurkshop who's turn is it to host? |
| Beth Harte | says | rachel, I totally agree, but I see beauty in that. |
| Beth Harte | says | and it just means that you will need to hire more folks to engage in those customer convos. That would be success for me. |
| DebInAustin | says | just trying to go between these two threads is killing me! |
| Lux | says | definitely! It's just one more challenge. |
| AmberCadabra | I haven't hosted yet, and it woudl actually really help me with a project i'm about to undertake if I'm lucky. can i volunteer? |
| Lux | says | we hope to expand our team in the next 12-18 months |
| Connie | Agreed that conversation fragmentation is tomorrow night's plurkshop. Who wants to host? Someone who hasn't done it before? |
| Connie | says | I think AmberCadabra would be great for hosting tomorrow night's plurkshop. Want to advertise it for a particular time? |
| DebInAustin | says | looks like AmberCadabra just signed up! |
| AmberCadabra | what works for everyone? say, 7:30 CST? |
| Beth Harte | says | yes, ambercadabra should be the host. |
| MackCollier | says | sounds good! We need to get TimJackson's lazy ass to get here before 11PM one night to host one |
| AmberCadabra | is | it pimping if I plurk it a couple of times tomorrow? |
| AmberCadabra | |
| Beth Harte | says | can I ask...conversation fragmentation from what perspective? Just want to be prepared.  |
| DebInAustin | says |  |
| MackCollier | says | BTW bethharte you totally kicked ass in your comments to Guy! |
| Connie | says | Beth, in the sense we were talking about tonight -- because of multiple venues for conversation; and, as Rachel said because of |
| Connie | communities building up around different products of F500 companies. |
| Connie | says | It's not pimping ... it's inviting people to join the conversation!!!!! |
| AmberCadabra | LOL I was kidding. www.phatmass.com/phorum/style_emoticons/default/pimp.gif |
| Beth Harte | says | okay, thought so, but wanted to check. |
| Beth Harte | says | mackcollier...thank you, that pissed me off. |
| Beth Harte | says | "think scoble, la..." think KMA! |
| Beth Harte | says | don't tell me that I need to "respect" because it's Guy. |
| AmberCadabra | thinking of new photoshop possibilities...bwahahah |
| AmberCadabra | can somebody link to bethharte's comments so a girl can read? I'm lost apparently (not new) |
| MackCollier | says | www.plurk.com/p/u3ld |
| AmberCadabra | YAY beth. Great comments. |
| Teeg | agrees. Great comments, Beth! |
| Lux | agrees |
| MackCollier | says | Amber we need one of the A-Listers heads photoshopped onto the bodies of newscasters saying 'new media looks a lot like old media' LMAO |
| AmberCadabra | OMGOMGOMGOMG mackcollier |
| Beth Harte | says | aw man amanda chapel would respect us so much...KIDDING! |
| AmberCadabra | ok, everyone. find me good headshots/photos of the alisters and email them to me at amber@altitudebranding.com |
| Beth Harte | says | sorry, shouldn't have brought that up... |
| AmberCadabra | I have a fun idea. I won't do evil with it, just for laughs for us |
| Connie | loves | the pimp emoticon. I'm hollering over here. |
| MackCollier | says | amanda chapel/brian is probably a big fan of Guy's, since he hates 'social' media as well |
| Beth Harte | says | thanks all...this one ticked me off "think "scoble" "laporte" "steven colbert" " |
| MackCollier | says | Beth that comment screamed 'I'm an asskisser' |
| AmberCadabra | as well as "I'm a dunce" |
| Beth Harte | says | I'm an asskisser who's afraid to question...I HATE that. |
| DebInAustin | says | go bethharte!  |
| Connie | says | If we ever have a plurkshop on the topic of AC/Brian, I'm calling in sick. My blood pressure truly won't stand up to that conversation. |
| Beth Harte | says | was an anarchist in a former life...sorry...  |
| MackCollier | says | agreed Connie, we need to just move on |
| AmberCadabra | ok plurktastics, I need a 140 word promo on tomorrow's plurkshop. My writing skills have apparently gone on vaca |
| MackCollier | says | Amber my view is that we'd be debating if we should be concerned about feedback coming on multiple sites? Should it be funnelled by 2 source |
| MackCollier | says | is that what everyone else thinks? Something different? |
| MackCollier | says | i mean should we try to move it back to the source, like re-routing friendfeed comments back to blog post |
| AmberCadabra | and discussing how to handle it? |
| AmberCadabra | PS - I have a photo ready to mess with. www.aeroplastics.net/WFOR/art/04_Newscaster_4.jpg |
| Beth Harte | says | oh boy! I think I will be an active listener tomorrow! |
| AmberCadabra | come on people, antagonize me. you know you want to. |
| DebInAustin | says | I'm with bethharte! |
| MackCollier | says | LMAO! Ok who are four A-Listers? Guy, Scoble, Calacanis, who else? |
| Lux | says | I am dipping in and out as I cook, can't pick a fight amber  |
| MackCollier | says | Deb and Beth, maybe we should pick something else to talk about then? |
| Connie | Seth Godin? Or do you want an A-Lister from Twitter? |
| MackCollier | says | Arrington? |
| Connie | Obviously, we need a woman. |
| MackCollier | says | notice we can't think of a mean-ole female A-Lister... |
| Connie | Tara Hunt? |
| AmberCadabra | ARRINGTON. I think he's perfect. |
| MackCollier | says | lol I thought so Connie, but who?!? |
| MackCollier | says | I dont think Tara fits |
| AmberCadabra | I suppose this is going to blow my chances of being listed on Alltop, eh? |
| MackCollier | says | Queen of Spain? But she'd probably love it |
| AmberCadabra | LMAO ok which one gets to be the girl then? |
| Beth Harte | says | mackcollier...No! That's the point of a PlurkShop...to learn. |
| Beth Harte | says | I want to learn all I can... |
| MackCollier | says | i think it should be four guys |
| Beth Harte | says | let's keep the topic. |
| Beth Harte | says | sorry...inside voice..."no...mack..."  |
| MackCollier | says | LMAO! I see what you mean Amber, which guy gets to be the girl? |
| Connie | Oh, I think Tara would be good. She broke up with her live-in boyfriend ON TWITTER. Her biz partner, Chris Messina. It was messy. |
| Beth Harte | says | a guy in a woman's suit? That should be Scoble! |
| Lux | suggests Jila Allison |
| MackCollier | says | I dunno I like Tara, I dont think she is like the others |
| MackCollier | says | but I agree Connie, the stuff with Chris was crazy, no way I would have gotten into that on Twitter |
| DebInAustin | says | *gasp* you're kidding! |
| AmberCadabra | whoa. that's really icky. |
| MackCollier | says | who is Jila Allison? |
| AmberCadabra | ok, four men it is. I'll surprise you with who gets to be the girl. |
| MackCollier | says | Amber if you want to be an instant cewebrity tomorrow, make Arrington the girl |
| Connie | I agree, Mack, Tara really does get social media, and she's not mean. Just snobby. And too many followers to really have conversation. |
| Connie | says | Mack, you are a hoot! Arrington as the girl ... yeah, that would get Amber noticed all right. Not sure it's the notice she wants. |
| MackCollier | says | Connie I agree, I think she's like Brogan/Pistachio, no use in trying to talk to them cause they follow too many |
| AmberCadabra | Yeah, i'm too new to have people hating me. Yet. |
| MackCollier | says | NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! |
| MackCollier | says | make Calacanis the girl! Especially after his 'it's JUST a joke' stuff about Shel/Loren this week |
| DebInAustin | says | MackCollier I just saw your question directed to Beth & I- thread moving so fast! I think anything you guys choose I will learn from |
| MackCollier | says | Ok Deb and Beth, I think you guys can find ways to join in, you always do |
| Beth Harte | says | tara? |
| AmberCadabra | mackcollier you read my mind |
| MackCollier | says | Jason says he can take a joke |
| MackCollier | says | Tara Hunt, her blog is www.horsepigcow.com |
| MackCollier | says | It's a good blog, but I agree with Connie, the airing dirty laundry in public is a big no-no |
| Beth Harte | says | ambercadabera, are you going to publish it somewhere? |
| DebInAustin | says | thanks Mack! |
| AmberCadabra | the photo? I'll share it among us. Not sure I'm ripe for picking a webwide fight...? |
| AmberCadabra | but it IS tempting |
| DebInAustin | says | good idea Amber |
| Connie | agrees that we're not ready for a web-wide fight. Last thing I need in my life right now. But I'm looking forward to that photo! |
| MackCollier | says | I think it would be funny if anyone got pissed, i mean you stuck me on Scoble and I ran straight to Twitter to post it |
| MackCollier | says | despite what they claim, A-Listers do NOT have a sense of humor |
| Beth Harte | says | yeah, I wouldn't make it public... |
| AmberCadabra | mackcollier you have class. and a sense of humor. |
| AmberCadabra | i don't trust the same of the News Team and their, uh, fans. |
| DebInAustin | says | a lot of people can't laugh at themselves, you're really good at that Mack. |
| Beth Harte | says | it goes back to trust y'all! If Mack is comfortable with himself I trust that. |
| Beth Harte | says | I can't deal w/super serious people...they scare me. |
| DebInAustin | says | yeah, it's important, and more fun, to be able to laugh at yourself. |
| Connie | Let me tell you, a woman of a certain age with pink hair had better be able to laugh at herself. www.sucomments.com/wp-content/Images/skype%20emoticons/pinkboasmall.gif |
| MackCollier | says | lol thanks guys, and the pink hair rules Connie, along with pink boa! |
| AmberCadabra | LMAO Connie! and i agree with Beth. Too serious = ick. |
| DebInAustin | says | lol, if we could just get pink hair on that emoticon... |
| DebInAustin | says | I am going to use that XX = ick, great formula! |
| Connie | says | I've gotta wind down and get some stuff done before bedtime. As always, it has been a pleasure plurking with you. |
| DebInAustin | says | same here. I have to finish doing a research project AND clean the kitchen. |
| AmberCadabra | Always a pleasure, Connie. Peace out, Moonbeam. LOL |
| MackCollier | says | well we topped 300 replies again |
| Beth Harte | says |  connie |
| seerysm | says | adios! |
| DebInAustin | says | Connie & crew! |
| AmberCadabra | * crap, are all of you leaving me? self plurking sounds like something i should avoid. |
| Connie | 300? And that's not counting the conversation at your place? Wow! We sure are talkers. |
| MackCollier | says | lol |
| DebInAustin | says | Yeah, I have been hopping around to several. We probably do three times that number. |
| AmberCadabra | connie i just saw that. |
| AmberCadabra | maybe HE should be the girl. After all, he wants to speak at BlogHer |
| seerysm | shares | www.plurk.com/p/u4gu |
| Beth Harte | says | Ping??? Don't leave me yet.... |
| MackCollier | says | love how he's got 15 plurks and 12 replies. Nice ratio |
| MackCollier | says | Amber if you could put an 'I <3 Blogher' tee on him |
| AmberCadabra | i also love that mr. big shot had to tweet to ask for a beta code for it, too. ok now I'm feeling snarky and frisky. heheh |
| MackCollier | says | btw what is ping.fm? havent messed with it yet |
| Connie | Mack, did I ever tell you I researched GK's early Twitter usage and actually plotted out the # of links to Truemors vs. times he @'d someone |
| DebInAustin | says | oh that's cool. Maybe a small ponytail on top of his head with a barrette in it. |
| AmberCadabra | it basically feeds your updates to all your socnets at once. the ultimate broadcaster's medium. |
| MackCollier | says | lol i can imagine what it looked like |
| MackCollier | says | but you can do a tweetscan for him and it will show percentage of replies |
| MackCollier | says | or stick Guy's face on the woman's body and hair |
| DebInAustin | says | just sticking straight up from his head. Like you do with little girls who don't have a lot of hair yet, but you want to indicate "girl" |
| Connie | Back before Tweetscan, I hand tallied all of Guy's tweets for about a 6-week period. Very interesting. |
| Beth Harte | says | thanks for the ping, exp. |
| AmberCadabra | yeah, i need a mobile app to feed my plurk appetite on the go |
| AmberCadabra | though you'll notice: no plurking/tweeting/blogging/texting or other crap during last night's amazing concert. |
| MackCollier | says | thanks for explaining ping.fm Connie and Seerysm |
| seerysm | says | you can post to multiple sites at once as well. If you decide to give it a try, use beta code "pingofpings" |
| MackCollier | says | that def sounds like broadcasting |
| AmberCadabra | sounds like ping.fm is an enabler |
| seerysm | says | it totally is. I use it sparingly - mostly when I travel, and solely because Plurk doesn't have SMS support right now. |
| seerysm | says | thank goodness they listen to their users, this feature HAS to be coming |
| Beth Harte | says | seerysm, so you want to boardcast to Plurk? |
| Beth Harte | says | broadcast. |
| seerysm | says | hell no. But ping allows me to post while I am on the road and then come back to check responses and answer when I am able again |
| seerysm | says | I want to be able to post plurks, receive responses, and respond via SMS - the mobile interface only works intermittently on my Blackberry |
| Beth Harte | says | got it...just wanted to clarify (I thought I'd get a hell no!) |
| seerysm | says | |
| sonnygill | sorry I missed the plurkshop but catching up and fantastic convo as usual! |
| Tim Jackson | Jeesh. I go on a date w/ my daughter & miss out! Thanks for the positive comments Mack- sincerely. |
| Tim Jackson | I'm still floored by the Guy thing. NOT interacting is weird on a SM platform. Sorry. And I agree it hurts HIS brand. Snobbishness is not... |
| Tim Jackson | an attractive feature on a person or brand. |
| AmberCadabra | You're in good company on that thought, Tim. I just don't understand, but it must drive enough traffic that it's worth it? |
| Tim Jackson | is | it though? In the long run, is it? It's the sincerity that really builds lasting communities. Sounding snobbish will eventually hurt him. |
| Tim Jackson | People tell me that it is my sincere love of my job that resonates with them when they read my blog or follow me elsewhere. |
| Tim Jackson | I just do what I am. |
| Tim Jackson | I'm a bike dork and a bit of a marketing wonk as well. |
| Tim Jackson | So I just "BE". |
| Tim Jackson | Again, here is my main theory behind why I do what I do; Masi is the last name of Faliero MASI. |
| Tim Jackson | People had a very dynamic relationship w/ him- cult like even. He was very respected. He was considered a genius. |
| Tim Jackson | But he was human and was not infallible. He was not perfect. But the brand was built on his personality. |
| Tim Jackson | I am NOT a Faliero Masi, not even close, BUT I am a person. And I have tried to simply provide a person for people to connect with. |
| Tim Jackson | By extension, they hopefully connect with the brand. If not- that's cool too. |
| warrenss | loves | the idea that others are just as bothered about the Twitter self-promoters and that we are naming names. |
| warrenss | Speaking of self-promoters...what about GaryV? It's always me, me, me and no @ convo's. |
| mahadewa | says | this is gonna sound weird, but while I'm reading this thread, Chris Brogan accepted my friendship |
| Connie | says | Great - invite him to the plurkshop. I didn't even know Chris Brogan was on Plurk. |
| mahadewa | says | I just pm chrisbrogan. See if he'll join. Btwy, I've been enjoying this conversation. |
| Connie | Thanks, we'll have a new thread starting in about 30 minutes. Follow AmberCadabra for tonight's plurkshop. |
| mahadewa | says | cool, we'll do |
| LindaZ | just dm'd him on twitter |
| LindaZ | yes he is here but on and off |
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