Connie says tonight's plurkshop is about traditional marketers using social networks to broadcast messages. What do you think of GuyKawasaki, etc?

376 responses to this plurk.

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  June 28, 2008 at 19:24 ConnieBensen GuyKawasaki is here now - maybe he'll join the convo? This is my first plurkshop by the way
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:25 Connie says Connie, I doubt that he will but would love it if he did. He has stated quite clearly about his Twitter usage that he's a marketer.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:25 Connie And that he uses these channels to market his products. He did not engage w/ anyone at all when first using Twitter. Then he gradually
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:25 Connie began to follow others and have some conversations. I quit following him there, so I don't know how involved he has stayed w/ interacting.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:26 Connie says I think that's his choice, and it's my choice to use social networks in a different way. He broadcasts; I connect through conversation.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:27 orchid8 is not up to a plurkshop. sorry.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:27 Beth Harte says thanks Connie for the plurkshop.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:27 ConnieBensen I followed him, then turned it off. Now I follow him again on Twitter & he's interacting. It's nice to see
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:28 Beth Harte says it just dawned on me that perhaps in Guy's line of business (VC), trad. marketing is what he needs.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:28 ConnieBensen I see a lot of broadcasting here - but he's following me
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:28 ConnieBensen you dare me to talk to him here? I never have chatted with him
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:28 MackCollier says honestly the only 'interaction' I've seen from Guy on Twitter is to ask people what they want on AllTop. Can't be all about you.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:29 AmberCadabra I still have an issue with using SM tools as merely broadcast. I think you have to be willing to engage for people for them to listen
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:29 MackCollier says BTW I won't follow Guy until he proves that he's here to interact, not broadcast.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:29 AmberCadabra it's a give and take.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:29 Connie says I made an effort to converse w/ Guy on Twitter but he totally ignored me. That's when I quit following him. I'd be happy to chat w/ him
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:29 AmberCadabra i'm following him to kind of see what his intentions are.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:30 AmberCadabra it's interesting, because someone like chrisbrogan is all about community, but can hardly respond to all his followers.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:30 Connie says I'm following him too. Don't know if he followed me back. I added him back at the first of the month when he started on Plurk.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:30 AmberCadabra but i do see him engaging, so even if it's not with me, i give him credit for really caring about it
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:30 Connie asks then is chrisbrogan **really** all about community if he follows so many people he cannot engage with them?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:30 AmberCadabra I'm following scobelizer too, because I want to see how he treats this new platform
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:31 MackCollier says Connie you may remember Guy and I talked on Twitter one night about creating value vs extracting
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:31 AmberCadabra connie Dunno the answer to that! He's super great about responding to my emails and comments, but Twitter is harder to follow.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:31 Connie I think I do remember that, Mack.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:31 MackCollier says Connie that's a good point. I think Chris is one of the guys that can't say no to anyone, so he tries to follow everyone
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:32 AmberCadabra To me, the difference is that I believe in Chris Brogan's intentions, even if it's hard for him to execute.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:32 Connie says I don't think anyone who uses an autoscript to follow everyone (as Chris does) is not as community-minded as he says.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:33 Connie It is impossible to interact with that many people, so all you are really doing is building a group of fans, not a community.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:33 AmberCadabra You make a really good point, Connie. So do you see selective following with more engagement as a better strategy?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:33 ConnieBensen one night when I had a career question chrisbrogan called me & we talked for 15 min's while he was driving. He is sincere
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:34 AmberCadabra What happens when you engage so well that oyu get an onslaught of followers as a result?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:34 Connie He's another one who asks a lot of questions just to generate a lot of responses coming into his Twitter stream.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:34 Connie I've talked to Chris several times and he is sincere. I just think he's building the Chris Brogan brand more than he's building community
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:34 ConnieBensen but he does have a huge community - I've felt changes as mine grows too - but I'm chatting more in real time - skype & digsby (facebook)
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:35 Beth Harte says chris just sent a tweet telling folks to link into him. Looking for fans on LinkedIn or looking to engage with people and have convos?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:36 MackCollier says Guy replied back that he 'won't be here long then' if we expect interaction from him
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:36 AmberCadabra Urp. I just read Guy's response to mackcollier on this other plurk. www.plurk.com/p/thsj
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:36 Connie I can't help thinking Chris is all about the numbers. I do not want to be LinkedIn with just anyone who wants to. What is the purpose?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:36 Beth Harte says if I might ask...could it be that we do not fall into an SM's target market, thus they don't feel the need to converse?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:36 LindaZ I believe plurkers need conversations and if marketers are only going to post their broadcast msgs and not participate...
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:36 Beth Harte says perhaps Chris is only looking to work with F500 marketers and reservse conversing w/them?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:37 MackCollier says Beth, Guy has got a website set up that appears to be costing him next to nothing, so he only wants to push traffic to it
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:37 AmberCadabra I agree with you, LindaZ. I look so fwd to logging on here because I really enjoy the connections.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:37 LindaZ I believe most of the real plurkers who come here to participate will start to stop following them or block them... thats my 2 cents
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:37 MackCollier says Connie I agree on LinkedIn, I am picky about it
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:37 Connie agrees w/ Beth. Chris is looking to get gigs w/ top companies. He's building a community to prove to them he can do it.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:38 Beth Harte says ambercadabra, I have tried to converse, but never get a response. Could be lack of time, could be lack of interest, or they don't know me.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:38 MackCollier says The one thing that makes me think Chris isn't about numbers is that I can't recall him ever mentioning # of followers on Twitter
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:38 MackCollier says the ones that are all about numbers are constantly bragging about how many followers they have
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:38 Connie When I say Chris is about numbers it's stunts like the LinkedIn, about gathering thousands of followers on Twitter when he knows he
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:38 Connie cannot possible engage with more than a relative handful.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:39 AmberCadabra bethharte I've tried to start conversations with folks other than Chris and get nada. And I admit, it's hard not to take it personally
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:39 AmberCadabra I don't think Chris gets his ego stroked by numbers. I think connie's point about proving his community-building ability is sharp.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:40 MackCollier says I think Chris likes to assemble a large community of followers, then tap them for Q&As, and also shares links with them
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:40 AmberCadabra part of what leaves a bad taste in my mouth about Twitter is when i DO make the effort to jump in and get ignored.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:40 MackCollier says but after meeting Chris, I can say he had zero ego when I saw him
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:41 AmberCadabra I believe that, mackcollier. Plus, I really find the information Chris provides to be useful and interesting
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:41 Connie Back to a point Amber made ... Yes, I think selective following to maximize engagement is the way to go.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:41 swoodruff says my bet is that these platforms will increasingly self-select and self-define. Broadcasters will tend toward one, conversers (sp?) to another
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:41 Connie I admire Chris's ability to generate good content consistently. He is a gold mine in that respect.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:42 ScrapNancy asks Connie, Chris was at BlogOrlando, wasn't he?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:42 Beth Harte says I agree w/connie...it's about proving community building. So, then, in a sense, it's trad. marketing.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:42 MackCollier says I will say that I met Chris at SXSW, where he was alongside some A-Listers with SERIOUS egos, Chris stood out as being 'real'
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:43 DebInDenver says oh man! I behind the game and I still have to eat dinner!
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:43 AmberCadabra I guess the other problem is that I haven't found Guy's content to be that engaging. Sorry, guy.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:45 Connie says I can't remember if he was at BlogOrlando. Was he?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:45 Connie says I don't think so. Chris Heuer was. And Geoff Livingston.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:45 Connie says Chris Brogan spoke for me at Blogtoberfest last year.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:48 Lux says I met Chris at BlogWorld Expo. He seemed nice, but he also has a business to run. And that's OK. He is who he is.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:49 Connie Look at Seth Godin. Much like Guy, he is a *traditional* marketer. Does not enable comments on his blog. And he does not Twitter.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:49 KDFrawg says < smile > I hate to be just common-sensical, but some of these folk's don't know a thing about actual interaction.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:49 Connie The Seth Godin on Twitter is a fan, not the real Seth Godin.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:50 KDFrawg says Every time I see them, they are just selling themselves. I'm hapy that there are exceptions.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:50 KDFrawg says Brogan is one, I think, and sometimes Maki can be pretty darned engaging.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:50 Beth Harte is in agreement with rachel. But I'd still like to say then admit that you still embrace trad. marketing.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:51 Beth Harte is I'd respect that.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:51 Beth Harte is and yes, I do like Chris' blog, good stuff...except that one on being sexy.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:51 KDFrawg says I think part of the problem is mine, in that I feel stongly that life is more than a brand or a business.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:52 Connie I've had a few quibbles w/ Chris Brogan's blog and his Twitter packs, which I removed myself from, but he does provide good content.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:52 Beth Harte shares and I have had interactions with Geoff, he is great. He answered my email, he helped support my local PRSA, etc.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:53 Connie Chris does like to push the envelope and I sometimes feel like he uses his community as social media guinea pigs, which I called him on.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:53 pfanderson says now you ask
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:54 Connie says Geoff is another good speaker and content provider. I enjoyed playing real-life Scrabble w/ him at BlogOrlando.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:56 AmberCadabra I find it interesting that we talked about using trad. marketing to promote SM, but it seems hard to make it work in reverse
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:56 Lux says there's wide latitude when it comes to what is or is not "Social Media". Still, there's a point where you have left the ballpark.
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:56 Beth Harte says so then, how do you feel about marketers using SM tools to continue with trad. marketing?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:58 seerysm says I think that it is not right medium - it comes off as marketing and not authentic interaction, so more brand damaging than enhancing
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:58 Lux asks does what I do here enhance my employer's brand?
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  June 28, 2008 at 19:59 seerysm says depends on what you DO here
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:00 seerysm says it absolutely could if you aree authentically sharing with your community what you love about your job or discuss your company culture
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:00 Connie agrees w/ seerysm. We talked about this the other night. TimJackson being on here enhances Masi's brand.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:00 Connie Because mixed in with all the great conversations we have w/ Tim, he just can't help being a Masi evangelist because he is so
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:00 seerysm says Rachel your plurks do get picked up by google and would potentially found by job seekers
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:00 Connie passionate about the sport of biking and the Masi product.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:01 AmberCadabra agrees with connie and seerysm. I find value in the people first and track them thru to their product/brand
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:02 DebInDenver says we had a prof at school who said major in professors, not topics. He meant look for the best teachers
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:02 Lux says excellent point Deb. I did that in grad school.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:03 AmberCadabra Thats GREAT advice. I remember the material from the classes where I had brilliant teachers. Many outside my major
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:03 seerysm says my honest feeling after reading Guy's comment to Mack was disappointment, that's brand damage. I asked for clarification on his position
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:05 DebInDenver says seerysm has he responded yet?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:06 AmberCadabra He hasn't. I just checked.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:07 Beth Harte says that was my point for Twitter vs. Plurk for getting SM help as a marketer. I am getting to know and trust folks here.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:07 Beth Harte says last week it was a WP template, but a month from now it could be a consulting gig.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:08 Beth Harte says I know you, I know your brands, I know your passion. And I have read your blogs. That is SM!!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:10 AmberCadabra Amen, sista!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:10 seerysm says SM creates a feeling of intimacy, credibility and trust - the foundation of any good relationship
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:10 AmberCadabra And i can honestly say if I ever needed a referral or help on a project, my community here is the first place I'd go
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:10 Connie Beth has a good point about TRUST. Conversations build trust. Broadcasting messages doesn't. And we want to do biz w/ ppl we know & trust.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:11 DebInDenver says well, I think I am always trying to help my client marry their traditional with the new, mostly in PR, so I think it's difficult to draw a
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:11 DebInDenver says line where one begins and the other ends
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:12 DebInDenver says well, we know the value of the building community piece and I think anyone who is TRULY successful builds that and skips bcasting, IMO
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:12 MackCollier says this is why I am constantly harping about what Tim Jackson does with SM, because it's COMPLETELY hands-off marketing, and perfect for SM
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:12 AmberCadabra Beth's point is spot on. Building trust makes the methods of marketing blur a bit
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:12 AmberCadabra I feel ooky about broadcasting. Cripes, i feel guilty about posting my blog posts, but i only do it if i think it's relevant
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:13 MackCollier says when trust is added, it shifts from being marketing to communication
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:13 epodcaster says I've had the opportunity to hang out with Chris at Blogtoberfest last year and Barcamp Austin this year. He's always come across as genuine.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:13 MackCollier says Chris and Pistachio both impressed me at SXSW as being zero ego
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:14 Beth Harte says next point, the problem is, which I will foretell tonight, as F500 marketers embrace SM, they will go after the big names for consult.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:14 Beth Harte says and it will be a huge marketing round roubin.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:14 Beth Harte says robin
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:14 Beth Harte says F500s won't change, they will struggle to relinq. their brand.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:14 ScrapNancy says I kwym Amber. I rarely post here about blog updates unless it's something I think has a broad audience.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:14 DebInDenver says right. It's really important for those F500 cos to learn the value of building community and trust.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 MackCollier says beth I think you'll see some of that, like Ford getting Scott Monty
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 Beth Harte says And the A-listers getting the gigs will advice on using the likes of Twitter to "market."
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 Connie agrees w/ Beth, and that is exactly why you see Christ Brogan and Pistachio using Twitter the way they do.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 Beth Harte says not to build a relationship or trust
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 MackCollier says funny because I remember a couple of years ago all the startups were making runs on top bloggers as 'community evangelists'
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 Connie They are building community for the sake of building a community, using it to leverage business.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 MackCollier says then a lot of them went into consulting
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 ScrapNancy says yeah, not enough control over the message in SM for F500
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:15 Beth Harte says just look at Gartner on Twitter vs. Forrester. "Today Gartner released news on XYZ..."
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:16 Beth Harte says vs. how Jeremiah handles it.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:16 Connie Although I think Jeremiah has changed since he has gone w/ Forrester.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:17 AmberCadabra again, it's a SHOVE of their content vs. an invitation. I see them very differently.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:17 Lux Not all of the F1000 are clueless.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:18 Lux agrees Forrester has changed Jeremiah
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:18 Beth Harte says I don't know him well, where was he before?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:18 Beth Harte says My point was Gartner uses Twitter like they are sending a release over the wire.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 MackCollier says I will say this: When you start meeting these people at confs, you see who is geniune, and who is in it for them
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 MackCollier says BTW Connie you've done it again, great convo!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 AmberCadabra bethharte i'm with you on that.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 Beth Harte says I think we'll find in the coming years that companies that truly embrace SM will be like shooting stars...and others will sit back saying...
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 Lux agrees with Mack
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 Beth Harte says how'd they do that??
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:19 AmberCadabra It's a good think mackcollier isn't passionate about anything.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:20 AmberCadabra bethharte as you and i have talked about, those that excel will not see SM as a "new" marketing vehicle, but a guidepost
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:20 AmberCadabra for having better conversation and dialogue with better tools
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:20 seerysm says I really expected community evangelists like Chrisbrogan and Pistachio to be into plurk. I didn't see the "I'm just not into it" coming
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:21 MackCollier says right Beth, the ones that embrace SM early on are going to be SO far ahead of competition.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:21 DebInDenver says and I think that dialogue will lead to bigger stuff on down the line as technology changes
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:22 Lux asks how you would define embracing social media?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:22 seerysm says active discussions, the conversation is the Hallmark of a thriving community - I expected Plurk's value to be self evident to those folks
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:22 Connie says seerysm, Actually I did see it coming.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:23 Beth Harte says well, I am surprised by some others who preach conversation not wanting to converse.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:23 AmberCadabra rachel for me, it would be the willingness to listen to what your company's community is saying about your brand and converse w/them
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:23 Connie says , And great convo at your place, Mack. It's like we have simultaneous plurkshops going on!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:23 DebInDenver says seerysm I would add doing things to build the conversation- new tools, environments, etc.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:23 AmberCadabra the tools are really irrelevant IMO, it's more the philosophy that's important
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:24 Beth Harte says Twitter isn't a good conversing tool, that's just my HO. It's a great broadcasting tool though.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:24 Beth Harte says I don't think Plurk should be considered a micro-blogging site.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:24 seerysm says fostering "real"conversation I would say letting the community drive the brand
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:24 DebInDenver says on the point of people preaching conversation- some people really think they are encouraging/participating in convo when they say that
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:24 DebInDenver says they just don't really know how to converse
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:25 seerysm says I hit enter too fast - but you get the gist
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:25 Teeg wonders if twitter spoiled people into thinking they could have "interaction" without having to participate **with** people much?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:25 Lux notes that as a company get bigger, the conversation is going to fragment.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:26 Connie agrees w/ Deb. Some people really do not know how to converse. A lot of geeks who are into social media actually lack social skills.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:27 DebInDenver says well, and then everyone comes from a different culture. I often feel out of place in the south, New Yorkers can seem totally harsh to me, et
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:27 AmberCadabra that's a really interesting point, connie and DebInDenver
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:27 Beth Harte says rachel, how so?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:27 Lux notes that it is an interesting dynamic tension -- traditionally non-social geeks at the forefront of SM.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:27 seerysm says Bethharte agree that the microblogging desc for Plurk does not encompass all that it is. it's more Socnet x IM chat that's published
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:28 Teeg thinks some reactions go beyond lack of social skills though...she knows geeks like that, but they're not going to add 21,000 followers.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:28 DebInDenver says those cultures- whether we are verbal, or non-verbal communicators teach us different ways of communication- direct, indirect, explicit, etc
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:29 DebInDenver says so I am not saying anyone LACKS social skills we all just have different ones
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:29 Connie I think conversation is fragmenting because you can't control where it happens anymore. Moves from blogs, to Twitter, to FF, to FB, to Plurk
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:29 Lux bethharte well, consider a company with multiple products. Different communities will evolve around them, in different spaces.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:29 DebInDenver says so different communication mediums work for different people. Think about how many great athletes you know who are great coaches, few-
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:29 DebInDenver says usually different skills, in a few people it overlaps.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:30 Connie Drives some bloggers crazy because the comments are not happening on their blogs anymore, so they can't track it or get Technorati "juice."
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:30 AmberCadabra my takeaway from my adventures in SM (note, not S AND M) is that finding a way to have dialogue is the key. can be a tool like plurk
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:30 Connie agrees w/ Rachel about diverse communities building up and adding to the fragmentation of conversation.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:30 Lux says geeze, I need to start dinner at some point.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:31 AmberCadabra OR, just finding a better way to listen to and talk with your community
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:31 Teeg says or control it.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:32 MackCollier says Connie I think fragmented conversations would be excellent topic for tomorrow night's plurkshop who's turn is it to host?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:32 Beth Harte says rachel, I totally agree, but I see beauty in that.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:33 Beth Harte says and it just means that you will need to hire more folks to engage in those customer convos. That would be success for me.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:33 DebInDenver says just trying to go between these two threads is killing me!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:33 Lux says definitely! It's just one more challenge.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:33 AmberCadabra I haven't hosted yet, and it woudl actually really help me with a project i'm about to undertake if I'm lucky. can i volunteer?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:34 Lux says we hope to expand our team in the next 12-18 months
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:34 Connie Agreed that conversation fragmentation is tomorrow night's plurkshop. Who wants to host? Someone who hasn't done it before?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:35 Connie says I think AmberCadabra would be great for hosting tomorrow night's plurkshop. Want to advertise it for a particular time?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:35 DebInDenver says looks like AmberCadabra just signed up!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:35 AmberCadabra what works for everyone? say, 7:30 CST?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:36 Beth Harte says yes, ambercadabra should be the host.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:36 MackCollier says sounds good! We need to get TimJackson's lazy ass to get here before 11PM one night to host one
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:36 AmberCadabra is it pimping if I plurk it a couple of times tomorrow?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:36 AmberCadabra
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:37 Beth Harte says can I ask...conversation fragmentation from what perspective? Just want to be prepared.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:37 DebInDenver says
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:37 MackCollier says BTW bethharte you totally kicked ass in your comments to Guy!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:38 Connie says Beth, in the sense we were talking about tonight -- because of multiple venues for conversation; and, as Rachel said because of
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:39 Connie communities building up around different products of F500 companies.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:39 Connie says It's not pimping ... it's inviting people to join the conversation!!!!!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:41 AmberCadabra LOL I was kidding. www.phatmass.com/phorum/style_emoticons/default/pimp.gif
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:41 Beth Harte says okay, thought so, but wanted to check.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:41 Beth Harte says mackcollier...thank you, that pissed me off.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:41 Beth Harte says "think scoble, la..." think KMA!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:41 Beth Harte says don't tell me that I need to "respect" because it's Guy.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:42 AmberCadabra thinking of new photoshop possibilities...bwahahah
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:43 AmberCadabra can somebody link to bethharte's comments so a girl can read? I'm lost apparently (not new)
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:44 MackCollier says www.plurk.com/p/u3ld
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:47 AmberCadabra YAY beth. Great comments.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:47 Teeg agrees. Great comments, Beth!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:48 Lux agrees
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:48 MackCollier says Amber we need one of the A-Listers heads photoshopped onto the bodies of newscasters saying 'new media looks a lot like old media' LMAO
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:49 AmberCadabra OMGOMGOMGOMG mackcollier
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:50 Beth Harte says aw man amanda chapel would respect us so much...KIDDING!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:50 AmberCadabra ok, everyone. find me good headshots/photos of the alisters and email them to me at amber@altitudebranding.com
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:50 Beth Harte says sorry, shouldn't have brought that up...
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:50 AmberCadabra I have a fun idea. I won't do evil with it, just for laughs for us
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:51 Connie loves the pimp emoticon. I'm hollering over here.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:51 MackCollier says amanda chapel/brian is probably a big fan of Guy's, since he hates 'social' media as well
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:52 Beth Harte says thanks all...this one ticked me off "think "scoble" "laporte" "steven colbert" "
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:52 MackCollier says Beth that comment screamed 'I'm an asskisser'
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:53 AmberCadabra as well as "I'm a dunce"
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:54 Beth Harte says I'm an asskisser who's afraid to question...I HATE that.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:54 DebInDenver says go bethharte!
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:55 Connie says If we ever have a plurkshop on the topic of AC/Brian, I'm calling in sick. My blood pressure truly won't stand up to that conversation.
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:55 Beth Harte says was an anarchist in a former life...sorry...
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:56 MackCollier says agreed Connie, we need to just move on
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:56 AmberCadabra ok plurktastics, I need a 140 word promo on tomorrow's plurkshop. My writing skills have apparently gone on vaca
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:57 MackCollier says Amber my view is that we'd be debating if we should be concerned about feedback coming on multiple sites? Should it be funnelled by 2 source
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:57 MackCollier says is that what everyone else thinks? Something different?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:58 MackCollier says i mean should we try to move it back to the source, like re-routing friendfeed comments back to blog post
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:59 AmberCadabra and discussing how to handle it?
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:59 AmberCadabra PS - I have a photo ready to mess with. www.aeroplastics.net/WFOR/art/04_Newscaster_4.jpg
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  June 28, 2008 at 20:59 Beth Harte says oh boy! I think I will be an active listener tomorrow!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:00 AmberCadabra come on people, antagonize me. you know you want to.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:00 DebInDenver says I'm with bethharte!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:01 MackCollier says LMAO! Ok who are four A-Listers? Guy, Scoble, Calacanis, who else?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:01 Lux says I am dipping in and out as I cook, can't pick a fight amber
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:01 MackCollier says Deb and Beth, maybe we should pick something else to talk about then?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:01 Connie Seth Godin? Or do you want an A-Lister from Twitter?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:01 MackCollier says Arrington?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:02 Connie Obviously, we need a woman.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:02 MackCollier says notice we can't think of a mean-ole female A-Lister...
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:02 Connie Tara Hunt?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:02 AmberCadabra ARRINGTON. I think he's perfect.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:02 MackCollier says lol I thought so Connie, but who?!?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:02 MackCollier says I dont think Tara fits
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 AmberCadabra I suppose this is going to blow my chances of being listed on Alltop, eh?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 MackCollier says Queen of Spain? But she'd probably love it
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 AmberCadabra LMAO ok which one gets to be the girl then?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 Beth Harte says mackcollier...No! That's the point of a PlurkShop...to learn.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 Beth Harte says I want to learn all I can...
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 MackCollier says i think it should be four guys
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:03 Beth Harte says let's keep the topic.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:05 Beth Harte says sorry...inside voice..."no...mack..."
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:05 MackCollier says LMAO! I see what you mean Amber, which guy gets to be the girl?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:05 Connie Oh, I think Tara would be good. She broke up with her live-in boyfriend ON TWITTER. Her biz partner, Chris Messina. It was messy.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:05 Beth Harte says a guy in a woman's suit? That should be Scoble!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:05 Lux suggests Jila Allison
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:05 MackCollier says I dunno I like Tara, I dont think she is like the others
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:06 MackCollier says but I agree Connie, the stuff with Chris was crazy, no way I would have gotten into that on Twitter
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:06 DebInDenver says *gasp* you're kidding!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:06 AmberCadabra whoa. that's really icky.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:06 MackCollier says who is Jila Allison?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:06 AmberCadabra ok, four men it is. I'll surprise you with who gets to be the girl.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:07 MackCollier says Amber if you want to be an instant cewebrity tomorrow, make Arrington the girl
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:08 Connie I agree, Mack, Tara really does get social media, and she's not mean. Just snobby. And too many followers to really have conversation.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:08 Connie says Mack, you are a hoot! Arrington as the girl ... yeah, that would get Amber noticed all right. Not sure it's the notice she wants.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:09 MackCollier says Connie I agree, I think she's like Brogan/Pistachio, no use in trying to talk to them cause they follow too many
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:09 AmberCadabra Yeah, i'm too new to have people hating me. Yet.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:10 MackCollier says NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:10 MackCollier says make Calacanis the girl! Especially after his 'it's JUST a joke' stuff about Shel/Loren this week
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:10 DebInDenver says MackCollier I just saw your question directed to Beth & I- thread moving so fast! I think anything you guys choose I will learn from
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:11 MackCollier says Ok Deb and Beth, I think you guys can find ways to join in, you always do
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:11 Beth Harte says tara?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:11 AmberCadabra mackcollier you read my mind
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:11 MackCollier says Jason says he can take a joke
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:11 MackCollier says Tara Hunt, her blog is www.horsepigcow.com
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:12 MackCollier says It's a good blog, but I agree with Connie, the airing dirty laundry in public is a big no-no
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:12 Beth Harte says ambercadabera, are you going to publish it somewhere?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:13 DebInDenver says thanks Mack!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:13 AmberCadabra the photo? I'll share it among us. Not sure I'm ripe for picking a webwide fight...?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:13 AmberCadabra but it IS tempting
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:13 DebInDenver says good idea Amber
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:14 Connie agrees that we're not ready for a web-wide fight. Last thing I need in my life right now. But I'm looking forward to that photo!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:14 MackCollier says I think it would be funny if anyone got pissed, i mean you stuck me on Scoble and I ran straight to Twitter to post it
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:15 MackCollier says despite what they claim, A-Listers do NOT have a sense of humor
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:16 Beth Harte says yeah, I wouldn't make it public...
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:17 AmberCadabra mackcollier you have class. and a sense of humor.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:17 AmberCadabra i don't trust the same of the News Team and their, uh, fans.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:17 DebInDenver says a lot of people can't laugh at themselves, you're really good at that Mack.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:18 Beth Harte says it goes back to trust y'all! If Mack is comfortable with himself I trust that.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:18 Beth Harte says I can't deal w/super serious people...they scare me.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:19 DebInDenver says yeah, it's important, and more fun, to be able to laugh at yourself.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:19 Connie Let me tell you, a woman of a certain age with pink hair had better be able to laugh at herself. www.sucomments.com/wp-content/Images/skype%20emoticons/pinkboasmall.gif
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:21 MackCollier says lol thanks guys, and the pink hair rules Connie, along with pink boa!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:21 AmberCadabra LMAO Connie! and i agree with Beth. Too serious = ick.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:21 DebInDenver says lol, if we could just get pink hair on that emoticon...
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:22 DebInDenver says I am going to use that XX = ick, great formula!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:22 Connie says I've gotta wind down and get some stuff done before bedtime. As always, it has been a pleasure plurking with you.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:22 DebInDenver says same here. I have to finish doing a research project AND clean the kitchen.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:23 AmberCadabra Always a pleasure, Connie. Peace out, Moonbeam. LOL
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:23 MackCollier says well we topped 300 replies again
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:23 Beth Harte says connie
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:23 seerysm says adios!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:23 DebInDenver says Connie & crew!
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:25 AmberCadabra * crap, are all of you leaving me? self plurking sounds like something i should avoid.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:25 Connie 300? And that's not counting the conversation at your place? Wow! We sure are talkers.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:26 MackCollier says lol
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:27 DebInDenver says Yeah, I have been hopping around to several. We probably do three times that number.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:31 Connie STOP THE PRESSES! Guy Kawasaki just made his first test post from ping.fm -- think I'm feeling nauseous.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:32 AmberCadabra connie i just saw that.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:32 AmberCadabra maybe HE should be the girl. After all, he wants to speak at BlogHer
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:33 seerysm shares www.plurk.com/p/u4gu
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:34 Beth Harte says Ping??? Don't leave me yet....
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:35 MackCollier says love how he's got 15 plurks and 12 replies. Nice ratio
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:36 MackCollier says Amber if you could put an 'I <3 Blogher' tee on him
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:36 AmberCadabra i also love that mr. big shot had to tweet to ask for a beta code for it, too. ok now I'm feeling snarky and frisky. heheh
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:37 MackCollier says btw what is ping.fm? havent messed with it yet
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:37 Connie Mack, did I ever tell you I researched GK's early Twitter usage and actually plotted out the # of links to Truemors vs. times he @'d someone
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:37 DebInDenver says oh that's cool. Maybe a small ponytail on top of his head with a barrette in it.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:38 AmberCadabra it basically feeds your updates to all your socnets at once. the ultimate broadcaster's medium.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:38 MackCollier says lol i can imagine what it looked like
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:38 MackCollier says but you can do a tweetscan for him and it will show percentage of replies
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:38 Connie Ping.fm is some kind of autoposting app. / love the ponytail/barrette image.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:39 MackCollier says or stick Guy's face on the woman's body and hair
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:39 DebInDenver says just sticking straight up from his head. Like you do with little girls who don't have a lot of hair yet, but you want to indicate "girl"
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:40 Connie Back before Tweetscan, I hand tallied all of Guy's tweets for about a 6-week period. Very interesting.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:40 Beth Harte says thanks for the ping, exp.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:41 seerysm says Ping.fm works for posting to plurk via sms, which is sorely missing - but can't follow/add responses - which is sorta the point here
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:42 AmberCadabra yeah, i need a mobile app to feed my plurk appetite on the go
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:43 AmberCadabra though you'll notice: no plurking/tweeting/blogging/texting or other crap during last night's amazing concert.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:43 MackCollier says thanks for explaining ping.fm Connie and Seerysm
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:46 seerysm says you can post to multiple sites at once as well. If you decide to give it a try, use beta code "pingofpings"
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:49 MackCollier says that def sounds like broadcasting
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:51 AmberCadabra sounds like ping.fm is an enabler
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:51 seerysm says it totally is. I use it sparingly - mostly when I travel, and solely because Plurk doesn't have SMS support right now.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:51 seerysm says thank goodness they listen to their users, this feature HAS to be coming
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:54 Beth Harte says seerysm, so you want to boardcast to Plurk?
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:54 Beth Harte says broadcast.
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:55 seerysm says hell no. But ping allows me to post while I am on the road and then come back to check responses and answer when I am able again
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:56 seerysm says I want to be able to post plurks, receive responses, and respond via SMS - the mobile interface only works intermittently on my Blackberry
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  June 28, 2008 at 21:59 Beth Harte says got it...just wanted to clarify (I thought I'd get a hell no!)
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  June 28, 2008 at 22:00 seerysm says
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  June 28, 2008 at 23:10 sonnygill sorry I missed the plurkshop but catching up and fantastic convo as usual!
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:00 Tim Jackson Jeesh. I go on a date w/ my daughter & miss out! Thanks for the positive comments Mack- sincerely.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:01 Tim Jackson I'm still floored by the Guy thing. NOT interacting is weird on a SM platform. Sorry. And I agree it hurts HIS brand. Snobbishness is not...
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:01 Tim Jackson an attractive feature on a person or brand.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:03 AmberCadabra You're in good company on that thought, Tim. I just don't understand, but it must drive enough traffic that it's worth it?
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:13 Tim Jackson is it though? In the long run, is it? It's the sincerity that really builds lasting communities. Sounding snobbish will eventually hurt him.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:14 Tim Jackson People tell me that it is my sincere love of my job that resonates with them when they read my blog or follow me elsewhere.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:14 Tim Jackson I just do what I am.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:14 Tim Jackson I'm a bike dork and a bit of a marketing wonk as well.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:15 Tim Jackson So I just "BE".
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:15 Tim Jackson Again, here is my main theory behind why I do what I do; Masi is the last name of Faliero MASI.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:16 Tim Jackson People had a very dynamic relationship w/ him- cult like even. He was very respected. He was considered a genius.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:16 Tim Jackson But he was human and was not infallible. He was not perfect. But the brand was built on his personality.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:17 Tim Jackson I am NOT a Faliero Masi, not even close, BUT I am a person. And I have tried to simply provide a person for people to connect with.
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  June 29, 2008 at 00:18 Tim Jackson By extension, they hopefully connect with the brand. If not- that's cool too.
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  June 29, 2008 at 11:57 warrenss loves the idea that others are just as bothered about the Twitter self-promoters and that we are naming names.
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  June 29, 2008 at 11:58 warrenss Speaking of self-promoters...what about GaryV? It's always me, me, me and no @ convo's.
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  June 29, 2008 at 18:17 mahadewa says this is gonna sound weird, but while I'm reading this thread, Chris Brogan accepted my friendship
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  June 29, 2008 at 18:19 Connie says Great - invite him to the plurkshop. I didn't even know Chris Brogan was on Plurk.
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  June 29, 2008 at 18:59 mahadewa says I just pm chrisbrogan. See if he'll join. Btwy, I've been enjoying this conversation.
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  June 29, 2008 at 19:03 Connie Thanks, we'll have a new thread starting in about 30 minutes. Follow AmberCadabra for tonight's plurkshop.
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  June 29, 2008 at 19:04 mahadewa says cool, we'll do
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  June 29, 2008 at 19:04 LindaZ just dm'd him on twitter
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  June 29, 2008 at 19:04 LindaZ yes he is here but on and off