| Faery | says | I propose a BAN on freebies... not sure for how long, but if EVERY single designer here on plurk got on board & told all their designer... |
May 03, 2009 -
06:13AM
| Faery | says | I propose a BAN on freebies... not sure for how long, but if EVERY single designer here on plurk got on board & told all their designer... |
| Faery | says | mates about it, we could STOP freebies in SL till people get the idea that WE the designers DO NOT have to give people ANYTHING! |
| Faery | says | PLease replurk at will...also, lets get some ideas rolling because we NEED to make this a statement, I think we've all had a gut full of the |
| Faery | says | attitude of people. Designers, this is a call to arms!!!!! |
| Evie Miles | wants | to know if that includes lucky chairs. |
| Faery | says | www.plurk.com/p/rh9me <-- backstory. |
| Faery | says | yes it should, and these bloody hunts every two second!!! |
| Faery | says | if EVERYONE got on board with this AND advertised WHY we're doing it, it might actually go some way toward actually getting people to take |
| Candy Cane | says | uh oh >.> |
| ɐuᴉ|ina | ... |
| Faery | says | a long hard look at themselves! |
| Stephanie | says | I've always felt that events like sales were a better way to reward your customers. |
| Faery | says | *nods* totally, |
| Faery | says | Okay, so who's in? |
| Candy Cane | says | there's been so much discussion on it - I think continued behavior like this will drive more and more designers to stop giving gifts. |
| Faery | says | what it's going to do is drive more and more designers to stop designing, I don't know ONE that isn't absolutely fed up with this attitude |
| Faery | says | from people. |
| Candy Cane | says | People, they are GIFTS - you aren't owed anything. When someone gives you a gift, you say THANK YOU. Where are people's manners? Srsly. |
| Faery | says | TY Candy! |
| Candy Cane | says | it isn't everyone - some people are kind and gracious - but its the squeaky wheels who ruin things for everyone. |
| Stephanie | says | I'd already decided no more new skin freebies from me. |
| Candy Cane | says | It makes me sad. |
| Stephanie | says | so..... I guess that means I'm in?  |
| Faery | says | *nods* I reckon though we need to put it out there why designers are stopping with the gifts |
| Faery | says | WOOOT! |
| ɐuᴉ|ina | Coalition of Designers Against Freebies .. CODAF!!! o.O |
| Faery | says | Okay, Got Steph, Me (obviously LOL), Ziggy... who else? Evie? |
| Faery | says | hahaha Ina! that's great! |
| Stephanie | says | my decision though wasn't just about the culture of entitlement, it it's about market saturation and the devaluation of people's work. |
| Evie Miles | says | I haven't given a gift in 8 weeks. Because I discovered that between group gifts, hunts and charity gowns, I had no time left to make profit |
| Faery | says | *nods* true |
| Evie Miles | says | So I made a gown. And now I'm being abused 'cuz I charged too much for it? I think I trained people too well. |
| Faery | says | well I'll turn down hunt invite I got today and say why  |
| Candy Cane | says | I'm going ahead with the Oz celebration - but honestly I can count on one hand the complaints I've ever gotten about them. |
| Candy Cane | says | I don't know if they go to the designers directly.... I think I would hear about it if they did. |
| Candy Cane | says | So I dunno what I do - I do know I spend a LOT of time trying to make them fun, but it goes back to having to make a profit. |
| Faery | says | I guess the point is really, that for this to work, it would have to be a blanket thing, if most designers are giving up the advertising or |
| Faery | says | promotion that they get by being a part of these thing |
| Faery | says | s |
| Faery | says | and if a few people decide while everyone else is making a stand |
| Candy Cane | says | you'll never get everyone to give them up, Faery... We just need to come up with a new method of promotion is all. |
| Faery | says | so it would take a certain amount of commitment, and would need to have a time frame... any suggestions? |
| Candy Cane | says | Trying a ban will just stir up the entitlement folks and there will be dramahz  |
| Faery | says | make people pay for their hunt prizes? lol omg, can here the screeching now... well if someone has got an idea that they think would work... |
| Candy Cane | says | oh someone is doing that actually. |
| Candy Cane | says | having a hunt with an entry fee. Quite genius, I think. |
| Faery | says | lol I love that people bitch when they have to pay a nominal amount for a hunt prize that if they where buying in a store would be 10 times |
| Candy Cane | says | It eliminates the people who aren't going to spend a linden they don't have to - and gives you an audience that is willing to spend money. |
| Faery | says | as much... I guess that's the other thing, freebies are actually quality salable items now... freebies used to be...freebies |
| Faery | says | like not actually stuff that you would pay a good deal of money for |
| Candy Cane | says | well the thing there is - if you put out something that isn't your best work, people will assume that is the best you can do. |
| Candy Cane | says | I know I do that. I consider the gift to represent the quality of the designer's work. If it is subpar, I never go back. |
| Candy Cane | says | I really think its a matter of too much generosity - then it becomes expected. |
| Faery | says | *nods* true, but there is the rub, people don't have to actually buy anything anymore... and people actually SAY that, they they don't have |
| Candy Cane | says | yeah, I know |
| Faery | says | actually spend money to have all the flash gear in sl |
| Candy Cane | says | so lower the FREQUENCY of the gifts, not the quality. |
| Candy Cane | says | and don't make them at regular intervals, let it be sporadic and a happy surprise. |
| ɐuᴉ|ina | i find that if you make the interval too long people leave and you wind up with unresponsive people in a group.. |
| ɐuᴉ|ina | too long - say 3 months |
| Candy Cane | says | In fact, the groups I am in where the designers do it irregularly don't really get any complaints. |
| Candy Cane | says | well yes, so do one this week, one next week and then go about 5 or 6 weeks. |
| ɐuᴉ|ina | hasn't yet heard of a designer who does Freebie Friday's though! |
| Candy Cane | says | Tuli is a good example of that, I think. She's generous but not on a time schedule. |
| Candy Cane | says | I dunno, maybe mute is the True Answer LOL |
| Spooky Name | RANTY |
| Tigs | says | I'm a learner designer; I am now convinced freebies are not that effective. ty for educational comments. |
| Candy Cane | says | there's just no excuse for the comments Evie is getting. When I went to buy my GORGEOUS dress, |
| Candy Cane | says | someone said they hate when they can't buy new dresses. Come on, you can't get a starbucks for the RL cost of this gown. SL costs money. |
| Candy Cane | says | Deal with it. All entertainment costs money. OY, people!  |
| Morgaine Price | says | faery, i had the exact same idea a few months back.. to cut down on freebies is a good thing but to be realistic, i dont think |
| Morgaine Price | says | every designer will agree to it |
| Morgaine Price | says | all the new just starting ( this week to month ) will excpect to use freebies to get traffic and spend awareness |
| Faery | says | s'all good Morgaine, am currently working on an alternative to freebies... I think that's what the glitch is...people still want the promoti |
| Morgaine Price | is | tired of freebie hunters |
| Faery | says | on... so am working with a mad genius person as we speak, to try and work something that is appealing to customers, and designers alike!  |
| Morgaine Price | says | but there are many who take the freebies and still manage to buy items |
| Morgaine Price | says | this might hurt those responsible freebie shoppers |
| Faery | says | true that, and it's sad that a growing number of self centered people will ruin that for people who do get freebies and still shop |
| Morgaine Price | says | maybe if its a temporary halt it might help to get the message out |
| Faery | says | but the bottom line is, this attitude in sl is growing, designers are considering packing up their shops & moving out... |
| Faery | says | yeah we thought about that, but sadly many people just wont go for total ban, hence the trying to find marketing alternatives |
| Morgaine Price | says | idea.. what if we all switch to loyalty gifts |
| Morgaine Price | says | keep the freebies we have out , and make loyalty gifts |
| Faery | says | *nods* that's what we're thinking  |
| Faery | says | I have a mad genius scripter here *points at Hez* we're just bopping around some ideas, so if you have any, let us know! |
| Talynanana | says | I would be forever grateful for an alternative to handouts that still encourage new visitors and reward the loyal |
| Theo x Zanzo | says | after the bunny hop fiasco, we're only doing occasional group gifts now and have a system where you have to be in the group to get it. |
| Theo x Zanzo | says | the Hop finally showed me the ugly side of SL freebie culture, such as being told to "bite" someone in my own store for getting in their way |
| ˚That Guy˚ | I understand you frustration. I don't think your suggestion is a solution. tr.im/slDesignerTantrums |
| AnaTrefusis | is | thinking if every single customer boycotted every designer on the freebie boycott then SL business |
| AnaTrefusis | says | which is based on nothing beyond internet access and the whim of LL would dry up and no one would make any money at all |
| AnaTrefusis | says | I <3 designers who give good freebies and many of us spend a lot of money in stores because of them |
| Faery | says | Hi Anastasia & Gauge, thanks for visiting my plurk, would love for you to read MORE than just the opening comment, infact I highly recommend |
| Faery | says | you read the "backstory" link IN this plurk AND read the plurks surrounding this one... that way you might get a little bit more of an |
| Faery | says | insight and can qualify your opinion of this plurk, and apparently of me  thanks |
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