| JayWalk | Man. You have it easy. Take the job! |
| Linny | ohhh noo ): |
| cowboycaleb | facepalm |
| starwish | change jobs |
| longadin | says | wah. that sounds bad. |
| starwish | job can change, but if she's the love of your life, don't let her go |
| 牛牛会moo 才怪 | says | delegate, schedule... and well... look for sth less demanding? |
| NemesisPrime | says | what is your job? |
| DBL CHEEZBURGR | says | the wife |
| xiaoyun-er | says | wife, dude. |
| NemesisPrime | says | I would have to agree that your Wife should be your choice, without question, doubt or hesitation. |
| NemesisPrime | says | I am just wondering what your job is, that is taking so much of your time and energy ?? |
| TK☠ | That's a really easy choice. You girls had better learn this lesson... Dun give guys this sort of choice |
| TK☠ | You may not like the choice he makes, by then, it'll be too late. |
| TK☠ | Even if u get what u want, you risk him being dissatisfied with u if he doesn't land another job or better. |
| NemesisPrime | says |  TK_: this is one of the few rare times, I actually agree with you. |
| TK☠ | Work is what defined a man. Dun you girls ever forget that. Support him or fuck off. |
| TK☠ | Just as a sub point, it was never meant to be between work and wife. So dun make it as such. |
| cowboycaleb | TK.... I'm torn between hugging you and kicking you in the nuts |
| 大坏人 | i second kicking in the nuts. |
| 牛牛会moo 才怪 | says | +1 to kicking |
| TK☠ | CB> the choice he already been made. It jus whether u will bite the bullet, or roll over and die. |
| TK☠ | *has |
| 大坏人 | I feel your pain, cowboy. but with your credentials, you are way better off with another job (unless you're a sucker for pain) |
| Stanster™ | says | Whoa....sounds like a tough hand to call...To Fold or to call... |
| TK☠ | DPL> not everything so clear cut... |
| 大坏人 | yea, i also think so. Sucks to be him now. |
| duckhawk | says | change wife. easiest. |
| ☠plus1 | trick question |
| ♣♠XOXO♥♦ | Well. If you only be this busy after getting married, i can see why she kick up such fuss. |
| ☠ Cynner | I hope its in her fit of frustration... |
| TK☠ | CC> u can only use that excuse that many times. |
| Siren | says | wow that sucks. I'm sorry man and good luck |
| ☠ Cynner | I don really wanna defend her but girls are laden with more hormones...hence... |
| TK☠ | Look at AWARE... Even they are confused. How can one agree with me and still definitely choose the wife? |
| TK☠ | So you would prefer that CB resents her and the situation she brought about? |
| TK☠ | Or that he makes it very clear to her that work and wife are never mutually exclusive? |
| TK☠ | And that she is wrong to make him choose on the first place? That work should and must take priority? |
| TK☠ | Do u not get it? If he makes a choice, it's lose lose for him |
| TK☠ | She lose. He lose. He should not make any choice at all. It wasn't a choice to be made in the first place! |
| TK☠ | Let me be amply realistic here. Females are dime a dozen. Wires and gfs alike. But work defines a man. Not his female. |
| TK☠ | *wives |
| TK☠ | And advocate her? So everytime she comes up with such ultimatum? He has to give in? |
| TK☠ | When u pull back when your puppy snaps, it learns that u fear when he does that, and dies that each time after to get it's way |
| TK☠ | *does |
| TK☠ | MsV> my logic is fool proof |
| 大坏人 | dont u guys see this is the only chance TK has at being cowboy's partner? |
| TK☠ | And that there is no reasonable retort to that. |
| TK☠ | There should not be a choice in the first place. |
| TK☠ | Then ask yourself if you would ask this of your man... And whether he will do it. |
| TK☠ | Marriage isn't about Love. It's about everything else BUT love. |
| TK☠ | MsV> I just want u to remember this. And any other female reading this. Dun make your man choose |
| TK☠ | It's not fair. It's not reasonable. And u are risking everything for absolutely no gain. |
| 大坏人 | TK is the evidence of why gays are the happiest people around. |
| TK☠ | Have opinion? |
| 老李! | the fact that cowboy isn't replying means something. TK, as much you feel deeply about it, don't you think that this is too deeply personal |
| 老李! | for you to comment to this level? perhaps we should just give cowboy the support he needs and let him do his thing. |
| ☠ Cynner | that is going to hk to get LVMH to pacify...good luck |
| ♣♠XOXO♥♦ | if she can say like this, the money part doesnt matter that much, isnt it. LVMH can pacify for sure? |
| ahtiong73♂ | 人家的家事。。 就別管啦。。。 |
| ahtiong73♂ | *mute |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Take care CB. |
| TK☠ | RN> i wasn't talking about CB anymore. |
| TK☠ | i was referring to girls in general. |
| TK☠ | my reference to CB's wife was when MsV agreed and yet still advocated to giving in. hence my question becomes one of compromise. |
| 老李! | yes, I know. But this is his very personal plurk. That's my point, my dear. Let's give the man some space. We can fight some other day. |
| TK☠ | orh. |
| 老李! | good boy *pat pat* |
| 老李! | cos this is not about TK ma. |
| barffie | says | wtf. TK try to use logic to talk about someone ELSE's relationship. Please lah. |
| barffie | says | Cowboy, although this is tough choice, but seriously your job is taking too much out of you - wife or no wife |
| barffie | says | a job defines a man, fine, but if it consumes ALL of a man, and he is defined by nothing except his job (to listen to boss and take shit) |
| barffie | says | (to make decisions on a company he doesn't even own) |
| barffie | says | then it is TOO MUCH. You deserve better - JIAYOUUUUUU |
| TK☠ | Whats the first question when anyone meets a new guy? |
| barffie | says | don't hijack can or not. Go start your own Plurk |
| TK☠ | I didn't. |
| TK☠ | I'm responding to your plurk |
| barffie | says | would you rather a girl go away remembering you are a fish farmer or that you love Rotties and advocate good training etc for dog etc? |
| barffie | says | preferably both, right? A job defines a man but it doesn't consume all of your life, that's why you could have the 2nd point to mention |
| barffie | says | if your job consumes all of you like perhaps what cowboy is, then I'm sorry, he's a boring guy who knows nothing but work |
| TK☠ | Barffie> my point is that Work and Wife are not mutually exclusive. And to have the woman make it as such is unfair. |
| TK☠ | same as if your wife asks you who would you save first? your own mother or your wife. There is NO correct answer. its a Lose Lose situation. |
| barffie | says | and he has nothing else except his work. =\ is life supposed to be like that? |
| Siren | says | i dun think any of us are in their relationship enough to make a judgment as to whether her demands were unfair or unreasonable |
| TK☠ | its not ABOUT the HIS wife... but I am saying ALL women shouldn't EVER ask this choice to be made. |
| barffie | says | I am not judging her actions. I am simply telling Cowboy he could have a better alternative to his job. |
| barffie | says | that is all. |
| TK☠ | of their partners. |
| 大坏人 | So should men ask this choice to their partners? |
| TK☠ | if a man abides by her ultimatum, he loses no matter wat. |
| TK☠ | DPL> that is why women and house wives and even my own mother laments at her lost youth and opportunities. |
| Siren | says | i agree with Barffie's perspective of asking dear cowboy to look at alternatives to his job. My comment was directed at others who force |
| TK☠ | nowadays, we have divorce rates up to 50% of marriages |
| Siren | says | their supposedly open views on others |
| TK☠ | Siren> lets no need to be PC here. |
| TK☠ | afterall, not everyone goes through the same thing |
| TK☠ | its educational... and reflect whether you would do it to your partner. |
| TK☠ | And I never claim my views to be open. So dun put words in my mouth. |
| barffie | says | do you understand how Cowboy will feel when he read that some guy is judging his wife's actions? |
| 大坏人 | dont worry lar, TK is still riding on his online jerkwave. he's sure cowboy will understand. |
| Siren | says | ok then. stop making every plurk about you.... dear cowboy, i know it's a shitty time. i suggest talking to your wifey. i think if she can |
| barffie | says | this is a tough moment for him, and no jackass on the internet should make him feel worse about what his wife asked him... |
| Siren | says | see that you are taking time out to hear her grouses, things might calm down a little. good luck k? |
| TK☠ | Siren> I didn't. you did. |
| TK☠ | DPL> maybe i'm wrong... but hey... i haven't been so far. |
| TK☠ | Barf> he already goes to make amends |
| Siren | says | lol the delusions of some... |
| barffie | says | if it makes him feel better and it would improve things, why not? |
| barffie | says | TK: You are never wrong. But you FAIL in relationships. See the irony? |
| TK☠ | Barf> address not the core issue. |
| TK☠ | Siren> no really... read what you wrote. |
| barffie | says | are you the best person to comment about what's right and what's wrong in another person's relationship? |
| barffie | says | trust me, I am not wrong about this. You are not the right person to comment about his relationship. |
| TK☠ | Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. |
| TK☠ | you can disregard, disagree or debunk someone's opinion. But you cannot stop people from having one. |
| barffie | says | then do it elsewhere where we can*mute* you. |
| TK☠ | Aye... that's the rub isn't it? |
| TK☠ |  |
| barffie | says | we want to see Cowboy's responses. Not your smart aleck know-it-all shit. |
| barffie | says | if you want to do your smart aleck know-it-all shit. Please start your own Plurk. |
| TK☠ | Dun wan. |
| TK☠ | Nanenane poo poo |
| JayWalk | guys like us are at the stage where our job consume us. It's called paying our dues to get where we finally want to be. It's a due process. |
| JayWalk | Either way the guy loses. Work and he loses the wife. Wife and he quits his job with resentment in his heart. |
| barffie | says | but seriously, does he like/enjoy/appreciate/whatever his job in the first place? |
| Siren | says | that may be true, but women go through the same kind of dilemma as well. Everyone does - be it work, family, friends or whatnot - at some pt |
| barffie | says | a woman could have had her shot in life and career as well. But they got another "duty" to fulfill... to have children. |
| barffie | says | now... it certainly seems it's not worth getting married at all, as this discussion progresses further =\ |
| Siren | says | i dun really see it as a 'duty' though. i think it's a choice every empowered person can make. |
| barffie | says | of course you can choose not to have kids, like me. But for those who want to have kids. They would have to give up career advancement |
| barffie | says | most of the time it's like that. =( Not all can be supermom? |
| Siren | says | true that |
| barffie | says | isn't that a kind of sacrifice as well? |
| barffie | says | so don't get married lor. If sacrifice means if one will never be completely pretty.. |
| barffie | says | *pretty happy |
| barffie | says | duh |
| JayWalk | marriage is overrated in the modern era. |
| barffie | says | I guess hurhurhur |
| 老李! | look, none of us actually know the full story behind this, so for us to assume it's the wife asking him to make an unfair decision is too |
| 老李! | much. We only know so much. We cannot immediately assume the actions based on limited information. |
| TK☠ | JW> knows me best. But u forgot abt the discipline part... |
| 老李! | if the limited circumstances that TK assume is right, then perhaps he's right. but are we right about the circumstances? can you assume it?? |
| aloe | while it is understandable that one should only give up one's job when one wants to or have to, |
| aloe | one should also put him/herself in the other person's shoes and see why the other person reacted the way s/he did |
| aloe | do not jus assume based on a person's perspective of the situation and try to tink if u wld react the same way if u are caste in the same |
| aloe | situation. |
| aloe | U may tink u may not, that u will be a very understanding partner, etc etc. But in the heat of the moment, sometimes feelings get in the way |
| aloe | and u jus react. |
| aloe | and u cast ur anger especially, at the one thing that is in the way, which is the job in this case. |
| 大坏人 | WALL OF TEXT. |
| TK☠ | Hahaha... Orh... If u say so |
| TK☠ | RN> read the Plurk topic. Wife gave him ultimatum. |
| TK☠ | Aloe> hence my point that never give ur guy such a choice. Even in a fit of anger. |
| TK☠ | It's be all fine and dandy if the guy finds a better job with more time. How many here belief in fairy tales? |
| 老李! | TK: so you are assuming that you know exactly everything that is going on here, and not just presumably his own interpretation |
| 老李! | or versions of events? and by the way if you can't understand english, read what I wrote again. |
| 老李! | do you even know the circumstances behind the thought process that led up to this step? if not, for once, please TK. |
| 老李! | everyone can have opinions. healthy discussions are good. but that's not what you're doing here. |
| TK☠ | ... A chicken with it's head cut off, is different to one that has it's head twisted off. But does it matter to the chicken? |
| 老李! | the thing is you can never accept others' opinions, and always insist you're right, even the situation is an open ended question. |
| 老李! | yes, if the question is how did the chicken die. please don't assume you know everything. |
| TK☠ | No.1 I hardly referred to CB's situation. The statements I make is for the good of all. |
| 老李! | I'm not saying more about this, or you rather. this is a serious issue about someone's future. |
| 老李! | if your comments have nearly nothing to do with cb's statement, make them somewhere else. |
| TK☠ | No. 2 this is Hardly an uncommon situation. |
| 老李! | and what the fuck is "for the good of all"? what are you, God? no? this is the limit of my patience. |
| TK☠ | No.3 the answer is that it doesn't matter to the chicken. The results are the same. |
| 老李! | ok, that's it. you're really an asshole. I really have nothing to say, yoru blind and narrow minded arguments just take the cake. |
| TK☠ | No.4 I'm not god. But it's just good advise. Take it of leave it. The choice is urs. |
| TK☠ | No.5 I wish I was jus being an asshole here. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | An accurate description of events does not constitute good advice. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | TK > I know and understand where you are coming from. Your description how CB is in a lose-lose situation is very accurate. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | It still doesn't help him though - there isn't exactly a red card you can give to the wife and say "Expelled for excessive dilemma". |
| barffie | says | by doing this you are telling Cowboy that his wife is FAIL and he should smack her silly and twist her neck off. |
| barffie | says | this is my interpretation anyway. |
| barffie | says | for the good of all? You are preaching apathy. To other people's significant other, partner, loved ones. |
| barffie | says | You've crossed the line, this time. |
| TK☠ | Line? What line? |
| TK☠ | Infamous> my adviserial consisted where I state that women should never give such ultimatums to males. |
| TK☠ | Reasons being it's a lose lose lose situation and work and wife are not mutually exclusive |
| aloe | and as usual, TK is being an obstinate MCP who tinks males are alpha and females should all bow down to him |
| AlmostInfamous | says | That's exactly what I mean - I agree that CB's wife should not have asked the question. |
| aloe | and he's obviously very free in posting replies to a lot of plurks and turns off everybody. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | The issue here is - what does CB do now that the wife has asked the question? You can't exactly "red card" her. |
| aloe | seriously, i dun tink we need to continue to entertain TK lah. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Just doing a public service by exposing a very serious flaw in his logic. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | For the good of all. |
| TK☠ | infamous> that is why I said it has already been decided. Either bite the bullet or roll over and die. |
| TK☠ | there is no flaw in my logic. |
| TK☠ | biting the bullet = getting to address the core problem. |
| TK☠ | Core problem Work = Time is a problem. Solution?> Take specific time off, turn off hp, date nights, etc. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Ah, see? That's actionable advice. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I didn't see that earlier though. |
| TK☠ | Core problem Wife = thinks its either work or her, impatient, Wants more time with hubby, Lonely, needs someone to talk to etc. |
| NemesisPrime | says | hey, fellows, should we move on now ? this is getting tedious and CC ignored this long time ago... |
| TK☠ | Solution?> make clear work and wife are not exclusive of each other. Spend more time on Skype. Give her a baby. Etc. |
| TK☠ | NP> why tedious? i think its an excellent topic. Many have read this and first off thinks that giving in to the wife is the right thing. |
| TK☠ | Capella> though you aren't wrong, I think you are over-simplifying the issue. |
| TK☠ | infamous> that's biting the bullet. (which no one ask me what that means...) then there is rolling over and playing dead. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | TK> I think given how emotionally charged this topic is it is understandable that people would assume the worst. |
| TK☠ | roll over=pacifying her immediate demands, or avoid the issue altogether. Nothing changes and it would happen again. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | i.e "Bite the bullet" = getting rid of the wife. |
| TK☠ | infamous> that is no fault of mine. Assumption is a bitch. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | A miscommunication is the responsibility of both the communicator and communicated-to. |
| TK☠ | To "bite the bullet" is to accept the consequences of a hard choice. addressing the core issue is tougher than it sounds. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Plus, you don't exactly have a sterling reputation in tact and diplomacy. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Yeap. Which could be a reference to anything. |
| TK☠ | pacifying her is a hell lot easier... and many take that path especially after marriage. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Also agreed. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | We're in agreement with your basic premise and in this respect I think you've given very sound advice. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I'm just pointing out why/how people are jumping on you for this. |
| TK☠ | infamous> I do not want to be the minister, but rather the court jester. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | A court jester's function is to make people laugh and therefore think. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | If you wanted to be a court jester, you need to work on that comic timing a bit. |
| TK☠ | infamous> the only reason why they think as such is because their own soul is marred with darkness... |
| TK☠ | infamous> some topics i do, some like this I dun. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | It's always a lot easier to say that someone else's soul is marred with darkness. I encourage you to "bite the bullet" |
| AlmostInfamous | says | and address the "core issues" of your presentation skills.  |
| TK☠ | Aloe> sorry you feel that way. unfortunately its obvious that the narrow-mindedness didn't come from me. |
| TK☠ | infamous> I'm so misunderstood. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Again, easy to say "I'm misunderstood", much harder to address what you can do to be understood better yes? |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Or for that matter, why you are choosing not to be understood. |
| DBL CHEEZBURGR | says | how come tk give advise like he got married like that? |
| 大坏人 | wa ma si gong. |
| barffie | says | GIVE HER A BABY?!?!!?!?!?! FUCK LAH TK |
| barffie | says | if he's not going to be around most of the time, giving her a baby will make it harder for him to stay at work |
| barffie | says | and she will be lamenting why her husband is not going to be around when she needs him most |
| AlmostInfamous | says | It may also give CB the final push to reassess his priorities. |
| barffie | says | you really are a fucked up MCP |
| barffie | says | anyway where's the laughter in your commentary? Jester my ass. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I think TK suffers from "soggy potato chip" syndrome. Probably didn't get hugged enough as a kid. |
| barffie | says | T.T my blood pressure will shoot up whenever I see his nick |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I don't think TK's advice is bad per se. His presentation needs work. |
| barffie | says | he's doing it on purpose. As usual. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Possibly. That doesn't detract from the advice though. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Like him, I don't encourage that CB just quit his job because his wife said so. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I think CB needs to speak to his wife more - more likely that the ultimatum is a result of a lot of emotional pressure. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | As for TK, I think he just needs to get hugged more. |
| barffie | says | I don't agree that he should just quit as well. These kind of ultimatum don't appear just like that, it's a built up frustration |
| barffie | says | that took very long to compact itself inside the r/s |
| barffie | says | work out a compromise with her and not like what some of the above said, get a new wife? |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Yeap. Agreed. I think that some of the jokes about getting a new wife or disciplining the wife were a bit distasteful. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Again, I think it was just very badly placed humour. |
| 大坏人 | Now thats some diverse conversation. |
| TK☠ |  |
| AlmostInfamous | says | At the heart of it, we're all upset to see CB in this situation. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | People just react in different ways to seeing this. |
| TK☠ | I still think its a good topic. |
| TK☠ | and I think many have learnt from this. this is surprisingly common. |
| TK☠ | Cheeze> I dun need a retarded sibling to qualify me for charity work. |
| barffie | says | CB is very sweet to his wife, and I think it pains him that his work situation is keeping away from his family? |
| AlmostInfamous | says | bA |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I can tell |
| Natsu | says | .... |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I feel for CB, I really do. I don't think he asked to be placed in this position. |
| barffie | says | oh well =\ |
| xiaoyun-er | says | i believe when the most of us said wife, we didn't ask the man to actually quit his job, but to actually do something to keep the wife. |
| xiaoyun-er | says | but oh well. time to mute. |
| TK☠ | yunz> right. |
| jesuafreak | shares | cowboycaleb, take care dude.. choose life and wat makes u happy. Ultimately the choice is urs.. make it and live with it |
| GingerbreadDad | we are on standby to drown your sorrows together. |
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