| TK☠ | Woah. |
| TK☠ | Maybe this is why I fear marriage |
| miccheng | says | what happened? |
| TK☠ | Mid-life crisis. |
| dk99 | says | Must be the beer..... told you drink hoegarrden liao |
| dk99 | says | You want hoegaarden or not? I got 3 bottle in my fridge. |
| nicole |  |
| Dhope | sometimes the grass is greener on the other side. And you know you've tasted success when others envy you. |
| Dhope | says | 3 meals on the table is oredi a feat. Dun shortchange yourself. Give you another .  |
| razlan | says | okay... long rant ahead. |
| razlan | says | first off. it *is* the beer |
| razlan | says | secondly, i applaud those people who can embark on entrepreneurship. i am too much of a chicken shit to do that. so kudos to you. |
| razlan | says | thirdly, success may not equate popularity, number of (online) fans, nor jetting around giving speeches. what you think success is? |
| razlan | says | if success = happy family + financially ok + in touch with your emotion, then you are successful already. |
| razlan | says | know what success is to you. and don't lose sight of it. |
| razlan | says | if we ever meet, let me get you a pint of beer! |
| TK☠ | razlan> i'm sorry... that is utter feel good bullshit. |
| TK☠ | Dhope> you too. |
| TK☠ | there is nothing wrong with ambition |
| TK☠ | and that's really aiming too low |
| TK☠ | the fact of the matter is that we all have expectations |
| TK☠ | sometimes we attain it, but most of the time, we are left disappointed. |
| TK☠ | in our family, our jobs and our children |
| TK☠ | THAT IS LIFE. |
| TK☠ | what he is feeling is because he is comparing his current status in life and finds it lacking. |
| TK☠ | AND HE IS RIGHT. |
| TK☠ | if he feels this way... then he is VERY right |
| razlan | says | TK_ - Thanks for sharing. Now I know what success is to you. It is not mine. Not sure about cobaltpaladin. But if he is feeling that... |
| TK☠ | now... if we agree that he is right, then there is only 2 things he can do. |
| TK☠ | Drink more beer |
| razlan | says | .... he jolly well need to think about what success is to him. |
| TK☠ | or think about a new goal |
| TK☠ | razlan> you have no idea what is success. If having a happy family is what you want, then you wun get it and you will be disappointed. |
| TK☠ | If material is not important then you are in the wrong side of the world. |
| TK☠ | The reality is that NO ONE has problems with money. Fame. or recognition. |
| ѠιѕĥßøƝę | says | Success in life means differently to each individual. |
| TK☠ | the ones with problems are the ones that cannot handle it |
| TK☠ | wishbone> that is right |
| TK☠ | but there is a minimum for everything |
| TK☠ | You can be happy with mediocre. I never was. |
| TK☠ | and somehow, i dun think KP is too. |
| razlan | says | cobaltpaladin, i wish you well. my offer for a free beer stands! good luck dude! |
| razlan | says | *mute* |
| TK☠ | and hence... that is all you can say |
| TK☠ | |
| ѠιѕĥßøƝę | says | Peace. |
| TK☠ | KP> do something about it. It sucks to feel this way in another 5 years |
| TK☠ | or 10. |
| TK☠ | its time to shake things up a little or admit defeat. Which one are you? I have a feeling you have always been the one that shake it up. |
| NemesisPrime | says | Why would you feel like a "failure"...? I believe you have accomplished a lot ...  |
| NemesisPrime | says | And I always cheering you on...  |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Success is something that people get to decide about you when you're dead. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Until then, do the best you can. |
| NemesisPrime | says | AlmostInfamous : Interesting view! I like it  |
| TK☠ | I dun really agree. Achievements maybe, but not success. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Let's split this down here. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | If the measure of success is completely internal then by definition people get to pick their own success factors. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Then TK must be wrong. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | If having low goals is by definition a measure of failure, then it begs the question of how you determine what an "ambitious" goal is. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | If you determine what ambitious is relative to your own ability, fine, but then TK's comments make no sense. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Because that would beg the question of who is TK to judge what a person's ability is. |
| NemesisPrime | says | Success and Failure: those who confronts and overcome is successful. those who only hides and give excuses are failures. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Therefore, TK must be talking about a comparison to some external factor. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | To which my response is "I'll know when I'm successful when I'm dead" |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Because I'll never know for certain whether my "success" is truly a success unless the context is final. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I.e when I'm dead. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | In short, do the best you can - I can't stress that enough. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Being the best you can isn't being mediocre. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | It's also not being ambitious. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | But it's the only sane response to the shifting sand of ambition and mediocrity. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Capesh? |
| TK☠ | Like you... lets break it down. I like that. |
| TK☠ | You are right... but let us refer to KP's blog entry... (have you read it?) |
| TK☠ | since we are talking about him and not me |
| TK☠ | Keep in mind that I will not say the same thing to another person in a different circumstance |
| TK☠ | I hate it when people make patronising comments. Some even make snide remarks like "So, you are an entrepreneur! Must be making big bucks!". |
| TK☠ | extract from his blog |
| TK☠ | hummm... i think if you read his blog, then my points would be more relevant to you. He is comparing his level of success or achievement |
| TK☠ | and he finds himself wanting |
| TK☠ | I say YEAH. cause to feel like this in 5-10 more years sucks monkey balls |
| TK☠ | so do something about it! |
| TK☠ | to have people tell him then that Oh... success is not like that... you have 3 meals a day... that's cool. look at the people in africa |
| TK☠ | is | PATRONIZING AND CONDESCENDING. |
| TK☠ | that's not what he wants to hear.... not if he is planning to grab another BEER and be absorbed into self-pity |
| TK☠ | what he probably needs is 5 mins to himself and think about what WOULD make him happy and go for it. and if money, fame and recognition |
| TK☠ | is | what he craves for, go get it. If its not his cup of tea, discard it |
| TK☠ | But as i said, i never met a person who had problems with MONEY. |
| TK☠ | so FUCK you all that say money is not why we are here... it is the solution enough problems to make it matter. |
| TK☠ | Thank you. |
| Dhope | says | I would like to clarify I didnt compare meals to Africa and TK prob read too much into it. And not 3 meals a day but 3 meals on table. |
| Dhope | says | personally 3 meals on table for wife and kids is how I feel I would like my life to be. Thus I felt KP achieved something. |
| Dhope | says | maybe not for TK or KP but I personally look to KP for emulation becos he has wat I want. Successful biz, gd family, food on table. |
| Dhope | says | $$ cannot be earned finish, and end of the day your kids are not going to say "Dad is a rich man" for your eulogy. |
| Dhope | says | they remember you by your character and whether you provided. Are you worth emulating. |
| Dhope | says | that is how I prob want my legacy to be. Which is why I feel KP is successful oredi, tho not in TK's view. But to each his own. |
| NemesisPrime | says | that this discussion has started to go into at least 2 to 3 directions. |
| NemesisPrime | says | TK_ is talking more about financial success, the financial freedom and the life of rich and famous |
| Dhope | says | TK might have been borned into a rich family thus he never understood the significance of 3 meals. |
| TK☠ | I've met people who are extremely talented and they are so young... they are only in the twenties and they were cool. |
| TK☠ | extract |
| Dhope | says | cobaltpaladin Paladin my family couldnt afford 3 meals when I was young and I hardly had toys. I remember salted eggs and soy sauce rice. |
| TK☠ | With social networking, they have large number of friends and fans. So many people "friend" them in facebook, follow them in twitters, |
| TK☠ | invited to give talks & they jet around frequently around the world in the course of their work. They were glamourous and living their life! |
| TK☠ | Dhope> 3 meals might be well important |
| NemesisPrime | says | AlmostInFamous and Dhope are referring to Personal Development or Character Development of a Person - compassion, courageous, kindness etc |
| TK☠ | and when I was a kid, my parents were very very very poor |
| TK☠ | My mother had to survive on what 3 mouths didn't want |
| TK☠ | us kids never knew a day in hunger |
| TK☠ | until much later |
| TK☠ | how our mother made sure we didn't know |
| TK☠ | so dun lecture or tell me I dun know what being poor is like |
| TK☠ | What i refer to is on KP's blog itself |
| TK☠ | so perhaps if you go READ and COMPREHEND what he is saying... at least on his blog, then really giving advise like what NP here has said |
| TK☠ | of personal development and shit... |
| TK☠ | trust me |
| TK☠ | money makes a shit load of difference |
| TK☠ | VIP invited to talk at the Boys Brigade dinner |
| TK☠ | Ex MP |
| TK☠ | and just a couple weeks before the dinner he was declared a banrupt |
| TK☠ | bankrupt |
| TK☠ | His business or finances have NOTHING to do with his community contributions. |
| TK☠ | and really... businesses come and go. |
| TK☠ | HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TURN UP FOR THE DINNER. |
| TK☠ | and you know what... I dun even BLAME the organisers. |
| TK☠ | I can site you 1000 more examples. |
| TK☠ | all over the world. |
| TK☠ | When you got Money, you open your mouth, people listen. nod. respect what you have to say. |
| TK☠ | Dun think OTHERWISE. |
| NemesisPrime | says | Money may make the World go round... but this is becos of the degradation of society - they see financial success as a means to an end. |
| NemesisPrime | says | Society don't care where or how someone gets rich. They just respect the results...*sigh* how blind the World has become  |
| AlmostInfamous | says | TK, I think you need to read the text with some subtext. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I did read the blog entry there, and I don't think KP was complaining about his lack of money or fame. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Rather, I think he's asking himself a very fundamental question "Why don't I feel fulfilled?" |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Is MORE money and MORE fame going to make me feel fulfilled? |
| AlmostInfamous | says | We're offering our responses to that subtext. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Is money important? Probably. Is it good as a tool to feel good about yourself? Now that's the question to ask isn't it? |
| NemesisPrime | says | KP sometimes do get a bit emotional / moody whenever he gets stressed-up.... I doubt this is anything serious |
| NemesisPrime | says | KP sometimes do get a bit emotional / moody whenever he gets stressed-up... I doubt this is anything serious |
| AlmostInfamous | feels | for KP. "Regardless, there are people out there rooting for him and concerned about him. Just thought he should know that." |
| NemesisPrime | says | that's what I told him. I am one of his Supporters |
| TK☠ | anyone would be fulfilled if you are rolling in money, and having people shake your hand and wanting you to give speeches |
| TK☠ | so he is right |
| TK☠ | and if that is what is missing, then go get it. |
| King Paladin | says | hi all, wow! thanks for all the plurk replies and i've read them all. all r good arguements and some have vocalised my confused thots. |
| King Paladin | says | many very good points have been made by everyone and i'm very thankful for that |
| King Paladin | says | i'm sorry that i didn't join in the discussion earlier as i went to bed after finishing my beer and blog entry |
| King Paladin | says | but i can't thank u guys enuff for sharing ur thots. they were really very good opinions |
| King Paladin | says | i really need to sort out what i want in life and what i want my legacy to be and decide how impt is fame and fortune to me |
| King Paladin | says | and i also need to answer the question myself, "how much is enuff?" |
| King Paladin | says | i thank all who has been following my journey in my blog entries and am glad that some find my journey worth emulating |
| TK☠ |  its never enough. |
| King Paladin | wonders | but sometimes i do wonder, if i reveal who i am and what i am doing? wld u still feel the same way? |
| King Paladin | says | coz i did reveal myself to some and some just disappeared and leave me feeling i'm a nobody |
| King Paladin | says | i guess there are some bottled-up emotions and undercurrents that just came bursting out now |
| King Paladin | says | like NemesisPrime said, i do get a bit more depressed when i'm stress coz i can't seem to achieve my goals |
| King Paladin | says | also, i guess i'm also questioning my potential and limits at this time |
| King Paladin | says | I'm asking myself, "Am I capable of achieving more if I work even harder?" |
| King Paladin | says | Compared to some who has achieved a lot more, I'm also asking, "Am I not working hard enuff? Am I slacking?" |
| King Paladin | says | i guess i'm at the crossroad where i'm evaluating my own existence in this world.  |
| TK☠ | i think opportunities missed is what you are looking for |
| TK☠ | Luck plays a huge role as well. |
| King Paladin | says | TK_ if it is never enuff, then where is the finishing line? do we really need that much? I guess that's also what i'm trying to answer |
| TK☠ | some people hard sell all their lives and get nothing except be an irritant |
| TK☠ | others do nothing and have opportunities dropped at their lap... that's fucking irritating to me |
| King Paladin | says | TK_ i'm of the school where i believe we make our own luck  |
| TK☠ | KP> the day you feel you have enough, is the day you die. |
| TK☠ | I agree we can shape our own luck but by your own admission, you are private |
| TK☠ | hence meeting people and net working the new or old way isn't your cuppa |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Actually, I would feel damn bothered if people want to shake my hand all the time. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Or roll in tons of money. |
| TK☠ | Not if because you married a beautiful woman with brains to boot |
| TK☠ | and vietnamese dong doesn't count |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I think it's really just as simple as saying "This money, this fame, it's enough for me." |
| TK☠ | KP> I run my own thing too... so I get you. Its worst when people dun understand you actually have to account for your each and every action |
| TK☠ | You boss har... No... I ish slave |
| TK☠ | so how many days you work? 7 days |
| TK☠ | fwah! sure or not? |
| TK☠ | sure... |
| TK☠ | you must be earning tons of money |
| TK☠ | unfortunately not. |
| TK☠ | Sometimes i wish i was a salaried worker. life is SO MUCH simpler. |
| TK☠ | my workers get paid first suppliers second and if there is any left... |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I am a salaried worker. I decided a while ago that entrepreneurship was not my bag, baby. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I make enough. I don't make tons of money but it's enough. |
| TK☠ | really that's great |
| TK☠ | entrepreneurship is a bitch |
| AlmostInfamous | says | It is. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | For that reason alone, I respect entrepreneurs. |
| King Paladin | thinks | I guess the definition of success is different for different ppl so I need to find out what is mine... |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Yeap. Exactly. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | We all get these dark moods about why I'm not rich/famous enough. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | The answer, I feel, isn't getting more money/fame. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | That's a hole of infinite depth. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | The key to filling a hole of infinite depth isn't to keep shovelling, it's to reduce it to a hole of finite depth. |
| AlmostInfamous | says | I think TK alluded to as much during his conversation, so in that sense, what he's saying and what I'm saying isn't that different. |
| King Paladin | thinks | TK_'s hole is just deeper  |
| AlmostInfamous | says | For some interpretations of the word "hole", yes TK's hole is deeper. |
| King Paladin | says | I think we are referring to the same "hole" |
| AlmostInfamous | says | Yes, but my legal-training paranoia of misinterpreted words and phrases kicked in. I apologise. |
| TK☠ | Humph |
| TK☠ | *flaunts his hole* |
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