| MackCollier | says | if you missed it earlier, excellent podcast with Connie and Anna Farmery and Heather Gorringe: www.podcastfm.co.uk/files/410/mp3/show049.mp3 |
Jun 19, 2008 - 02:05AM
| MackCollier | says | if you missed it earlier, excellent podcast with Connie and Anna Farmery and Heather Gorringe: www.podcastfm.co.uk/files/410/mp3/show049.mp3 |
| DebInDenver | says | excellent indeed! And Anna and Heather are like the 'What Not to Wear" ladies of Social Media. Too funny! |
| Connie | thinks | DebinDenver is right on the money. They are the UK "What Not to Wear" social media sisters. They make sharing knowledge fun. |
| DebInDenver | says | They were so funny! And since you said you want to have a convo about this interview, connie, I have some questions. |
| Connie | says | You bet. Fire away. |
| DebInDenver | says | OK, so they asked if it is impossible for sm. bus. to distinguish themselves online now that lrg cos. are getting into SM, can you elaborate |
| DebInDenver | says | that was awesome. Why are Brits so into Dallas? |
| Connie | It's one of the TV shows from the US that was popular w/ Brits - the stereotypical oil-rich Texas family. |
| DebInDenver | says | she, I forget who, described you as a leader. How do you stay a leader without losing your audience? |
| Connie | SM can make a large company seem small and personal, by showing the human side of a copy -- employees. OTOH a small company can give the |
| Connie | appearance of being much bigger than it is. So SM can have a leveling effect. |
| Connie | Not sure I understand your question about being a leader. |
| DebInDenver | says | going back to lrg/small co., is there a difference in the type of SM they use, or is it dependent upon their industry? |
| Connie | Back to first question, it IS possible for a small company to stand out. |
| Connie | difference in the venue, not necessarily type of SM. In other words, you could use the same type of SM, say a socnet like Ning in very diff |
| Connie | ways depending on your industry and your customers. |
| DebInDenver | says | let's go back to the leader question later, if that's ok w/you |
| Connie | Sure. one more point to elaborate on this one. |
| Connie | The important question to ask when contemplating social media for a company is not What should we do? |
| Connie | The right questions are Why? and Who? |
| Connie | WHY does your company want to do social media. Because the boss heard about blogs and says, "Get me one of those?" |
| DebInDenver | says | right, simple marketing questions. I think some people worry about limited resources affecting ability to do SM, I think it takes creativity |
| Connie | Maybe blogging is right for your company, maybe not. Perhaps just listening to customers is what they need to do. |
| Connie | And that brings up the Why and Who? What goals do you hope to accomplish with SM? Who are your customers/clients/constituents? |
| Connie | With whom do you want to use SM to build relationships? |
| DebInDenver | says | The WHY part I hear all the time. Middle managers hire me b/c their boss saw Facebook and now wants a page. |
| Connie | /end |
| Connie | of that question.  |
| DebInDenver | says | again it goes back to the company's ability/desire to listen and learn from their customers/market. Then think about how to engage |
| Connie | I like your point about creativity w/ resources. SM are low-cost entry, but require investment of time. |
| Connie | Exactly. It really is basic marketing principles - communicaating with customers/market. But there are new tools to make it easier. |
| DebInDenver | says | Yeah, I find that a lot of the time corp leaders want SM b/c it's "free," but they don't think about content as costing $, so staff become |
| Connie | And creativity goes a long way. |
| DebInDenver | says | overwhelmed |
| Connie | Quickly become overwhelmed. And right now there is no place to go "learn" social media -- beginning to see a few classes at university level |
| Connie | But mostly learned peer-to-peer or through conferences. |
| DebInDenver | says | and most people I work with late 20's - 40ish are all mid-mgrs who do PR, but never learned SM. Most only use e-mail or text. |
| Connie | I'm doing first of what I hope is a series of workshops on Friday. It's small group (25) hands-on, bring your laptop and when you |
| Connie | leave you'll have a Twitter account, a LinkedIn profile, Google reader and Flickr. And you'll know how to use them. |
| DebInDenver | says | their boss' want to snap their fingers and get a SM app immediately, I guess that shows they weren't very engaged in the market in the 1st p |
| Connie | And you'll have a built-in network of friends begun with fellow workshop attendees. |
| DebInDenver | says | oh that's great. I am working on something larger scale for pre-DNC communication with an EC Dev group to help transmit info like traffic, |
| Connie | There is a real educational process in employees having to learn and then persuade bosses why they need social media & convince them it's |
| Connie | worth being paid to do. |
| DebInDenver | says | pkg, road closures, etc. using micro-blogging. We want to use a similar approach 2 teach office mgrs/PR/prop mgrs how to get their org on SM |
| Connie | That's excellent -- teaching them updated ways to communicate |
| DebInDenver | says | you know why part of that is a challenge here, is because when I visit companies, I realize their staff don't have current software, know |
| DebInDenver | says | how to use shortcut keys, how to use wikis for office work. They don't invest in education, so hard for staff to explain why they need when |
| DebInDenver | says | mgmt doesn't value computer literacy in the first place. |
| Connie | Yep, you've hit a nerve with that. |
| Connie | A local reporter/blogger spoke at a panel we did a year ago at SMC, about the social media news release. He pointed out the reality that |
| Connie | most people working at the newspaper are on computers 2 or 3 generations old and have not idea what an RSS feed is. |
| DebInDenver | says | then when someone who knows this stuff comes in, its like you are some genius who knows this stuff, but the reality is you just took the |
| DebInDenver | says | time to learn it |
| Connie | Absolutely. That's how you become an "expert" in this field -- you just take the time to learn it. Stay up late plurking LOL |
| Connie | and attending conferences and meeting people and sharing what you know. |
| DebInDenver | says | I am doing some teaching on the social media release next week and will post on it the week after. |
| Connie | Funny comment on my "five white men" blog post about a Chamber event on new marketing tools and technologies ... snooty attitude ... |
| Connie | and said something to the effect, "Unlike you I didn't Twitter my way to prominence." |
| Connie |  |
| MackCollier | loving this convo, connie is kicking serious ass |
| Connie | Shape up, everybody. MackCollier is in the house. |
| DebInDenver | says | that's a good point about sharing what you know. It seems like a lot of corporate environments don't foster sharing, so how will stf learn? |
| MackCollier | connie you know it would be absolutely perfect to have you moderating a panel entitled 'Five White Women Talk About Social Media' LMAO! |
| DebInDenver | says | that's the thing, I think folks still have a pejorative view and dismiss twitter meanwhile they are being run over by a train |
| Connie | So right. And there are some affordable and very productive conferences to attent. Small, hands-on workshops like mine and the bigger SBMU |
| Connie | Unleased that MackCollier is speaking at with Jennifer Laycock. |
| DebInDenver | says | mackcollier you could serve the drinks- beer please |
| Connie | says | I would LOVE to moderate that "Five White Women" social media panel. |
| DebInDenver | says | I saw the SBMU, but have a race that weekend that is a rather large commitment, so can't attend. Will look for other opportunities |
| DebInDenver | says | do you think social media is a kind of misnomer? I think we have always had social media- phones, rolodex, b-cards. Not that it matter |
| DebInDenver | says | at this point, it has already been named. Do you think it will break into different fields for the lay person, or stay lumped as one field? |
| Connie | Not real happy w/ the name, but we're stuck with it -- until it becomes so commonplace that it's just what we do and doesn't require a name. |
| Connie | I explain social media with a Venn diagram I created: the three circles are technology, media and sociology. Social media is the sweet spot |
| Connie | where they all intersect. |
| Connie | Technology is driving the movement, giving us new tools that allow us all to become media -- publishers of our own content. |
| Connie | But the real power is in the sociological aspect, using the personal publishing tools to create and foster relationships. |
| DebInDenver | says | I agree and I think, like the earlier discussion about pay-for-plurk there is this rush to use it for financial gain rather than think about |
| Connie | Social Networks are called "social" because the are about people rather than computers. But in the same way an office's computers are |
| Connie | connected w/ hubs and nodes, social networks connect people. |
| DebInDenver | says | the larger benefits. I am not against monetizing some aspects, but to start with a UGC type of interface then flip to pay breaks trust |
| DebInDenver | says | yeah, it's another kind of web. So I see you tried to recruit others. Should we start a new thread to try and hook them? |
| Connie | Sure, go for it. |
| DebInDenver | says | nah, you start. I'll be the plant |
| Connie | okay |
| MackCollier | BTW since Connie is catching her breath....I've already linked to this convo on twitter and friendfeed, amazing use of threaded convos |
| DebInDenver | says | you rock mack! the master of connecting us all! Connie started new thread. |
| Connie | uh oh - should we stay with this thread since Mack has linked it? |
| DebInDenver | says | yeah, let's do that. But I will hold back, looks like giggey couldn't get a Plurk in edgwise |
| giggey | says | lol, reading as fast as I can |
| Connie | Okay, we'll sit back and let the others chime in. |
| DebInDenver | says | sorry people. i had been thinking about that while swimming today. |
| KDFrawg | says | Thanks, MackCollier. |
| KDFrawg | says | Did you see the survey (Gartner?) that said a large percentage knew SM was important, but just didn's understand it? |
| DebInDenver | says | didn't see the Gartner survey, but makes sense. Like Connie said, no education in schools yet, so people confused |
| Connie | Didn't see that survey. Have a link by any chance? |
| DebInDenver | says | thank you. |
| KDFrawg | says | The ones that seemed the most confused were senior management. There is an understanding gap at both low and high ages. |
| MackCollier | ok does the term 'social media' make sense to everyone? I keep seeing people complaining about it wanting to change it, but why? |
| KDFrawg | says | The kids will catch on, because kids do, but senior managers won't, in all likelihood. |
| Connie | Now that's very interesting. Panel I'm supposed to be on tomorrow (partner is filling in for me) is how social media bridges gaps between |
| Connie | generations and cultures. |
| DebInDenver | says | I was surprised that a client's 20 year-old intern didn't seem to know much about SM. She subscribed to my blog. |
| servantofchaos | says | we had a similar discusson last night at PubCamp in Sydney ... the old business models are being applied to social "media" |
| Connie | I gave an explanation of social media earlier in this thread; I think the resistance from businesses is that "social" makes it sound |
| Connie | like it's not for business. |
| KDFrawg | says | a lot of people see the "media" in social media as being web pages, as in Digg, Mixx, and Reddit, period. |
| servantofchaos | says | that is where the disconnect begins. Maybe we need a new word for "media" in a socio-business framework |
| Connie | good point, Frawggy. |
| MackCollier | ok Connie I can't be held accountable for missing convos that were happening when there were replies every 2 secs  |
| DebInDenver | says | I just think it is a mis-nomer we've always had it with traditional social devices, this is just online social media |
| KDFrawg | says | That's amazing DebIn Denver! |
| servantofchaos | says | from the business side, they see social media as another channel |
| KDFrawg | says | Most kids are pretty conversant with SM. |
| giggey | says | when vendors position internal networks, at least the ones I worked, they always talk about collaboration and communities |
| DebInDenver | says | I think "media" when you are describing apps/web pages, etc. leave some people in the dust. |
| Connie | Sorry for being a speed demon. I type about 110 wpm. |
| KDFrawg | says | I have tried to think of a good replacement for the word "media", but have not. |
| giggey | says | and stay away from social networks |
| DebInDenver | says | I think kids are conversant in SM, but are they conversant in using it to market? |
| KDFrawg | says | I type 24 typos per minuts. |
| KDFrawg | says | See? |
| Connie | BINGO for DebinDenver. |
| KDFrawg | says | Good point, DebInDenver! |
| Connie | Kids do not understand business application of things they take for granted - like MySpace or Facebook or WoW. |
| giggey | says | Jive for example uses spaces for clearspace internal and communities for clearspace external |
| KDFrawg | says | When they think social, too many are thinking :social only." |
| MackCollier | connie businesses don't either, they view social media as monetization channel, not communication channel |
| servantofchaos | says | same applies to many startups DebInDenver ... not enough attention to business models |
| DebInDenver | says | I like the use of communities and collaboration. It takes time to help people realize that SM helps them do something they think they were a |
| DebInDenver | says | already doing |
| giggey | says | funny when they go through all the trouble and then get a customer calling for Facebook for the enterprise |
| Connie | Agree with the disconnect among both generations - young just entering workforce and older "that stuff's just for kids" group ... who |
| Connie | suddenly go, "Oh, wait. You mean we can use this as another marketing channel?" |
| servantofchaos | says | SM can only assist when you have collaborative behavior already in place within an org -- if that is there,then SM takes off |
| Connie | whether they know anything about it or not. |
| Connie | I think it's fine to call it collaboration or Web2.0 instead of social media. You have to understand where the person is coming from. |
| giggey | says | servantofchaos, yeah, and when this is the case you benefit more from an org change consultant than a SM one |
| DebInDenver | says | I think another point that increases fear of SM is that some people think online communication decreases interaction, hence the fear |
| KDFrawg | says | when Ford hires an SM manager, you know it's gone mainstream. |
| servantofchaos | says | connie the agencies tend to treat it like another channel as well ... limited view and even less real experience |
| KDFrawg | says | How do we get the senior / older management types to buy in? |
| Connie | My thoughts exactly Frawg. That could be a tipping point of sorts. |
| Connie | The Ford thing, hiring Scott Monty. |
| KDFrawg | says | I think so, too. |
| DebInDenver | says | ford is taking a leadership role, but a lot of people/orgs need to follow before it is mainstream |
| MackCollier | KDFrawg, Pepsi was looking for a Social Media Strategist a few weeks ago, not sure if pos has been filled |
| servantofchaos | says | giggey hopefully an org change person with SM experience |
| KDFrawg | says | too many of them are too comfortable and have stopped learning. |
| MackCollier | Jeremiah Owyang predicted that 2008 was the first year that corporations would start setting aside budgets for SM |
| giggey | says | need to split social media adoption into 2. First a collaboration and openness adoption then technology adoption |
| MackCollier | the fact that they are hiring roles to manage SM proves that the budgets are in place |
| Connie | Couple of weeks ago Josh Bernoff was asked where agencies are on this issue. First: denial; it's just a fad. Then: oh, yeah, Jimmy does that |
| servantofchaos | says | MackCollier ... interestingly Ford had already been dabbling with BoldMoves etc but I think that was agency led |
| DebInDenver | asks | so how long, from when corporations implement to it becoming widespread in use? |
| KDFrawg | says | Thanks, MarkCollier, I'll look up the Pepsi situation. |
| Connie | and the next stage is scrambling to hire/collaborate with someone who understands social media. That's where agencies are now. |
| DebInDenver | asks | just a FAD? |
| KDFrawg | says | That's where many larger corps are, too. |
| servantofchaos | says | now they are bringing that in-house ... I think there will be more of that insourcing happening -- as SM is about competitive strategy |
| Connie | That was the initial response of many PR/advertising agencies. They tried to deny that SM was viable. |
| KDFrawg | says | he wonders how many will hire someone and how many will rent expertise? |
| DebInDenver | says | giggey makes a good point though, you have to foster the collaborative environment and then the technology |
| Connie | At least I hope so.  |
| KDFrawg | says | And do we think that there are enough good people to fill the perceived need> |
| Connie | EmployeeStorm to help people learn to feel free interacting with customers (and each other) online. |
| servantofchaos | says | KDFrawg there re plenty of charlatans |
| Connie | Their PR/SM people will tell you that their blogging efforts have transformed the corporate culture. BUT and this is a big BUT |
| Connie | The move toward social media came from the top down (w/ Michael Dell) rather than bottom-up from employees. |
| KDFrawg | says | so noted. Look at all the "expert" blogs! |
| servantofchaos | says | actually might start using Social Media Charlatan on my blog |
| KDFrawg | says | < smile > |
| DebInDenver | says | that's interesting because I always think of SM as being "grassroots" driven |
| Connie | asks | Gavin, to expose the snake oil salesmen? |
| DebInDenver | says | oh, I wanted to use charlatan! |
| giggey | says | they then created a channel to spread it internally |
| KDFrawg | says | LOL! |
| DebInDenver | says | but who generated Ideastorm? Mgmt, or entire staff? |
| giggey | says | most do |
| servantofchaos | says | connie ... mostly at the big agencies ... they think SM is a facebook page or some dodgy SEO/blogs |
| Connie | Management |
| KDFrawg | says | I'm thinking if SM is a situation where middle-up adoptive strategies might work. |
| Connie | Dell's situation is different because it usually does start more like grassroots. |
| servantofchaos | says | had to bite my tongue with Ogilvy in NY |
| giggey | says | so management was able to take the leap and to take that leap you need a different mindset |
| KDFrawg | says | I can see it happening in less-hidebound organizations. |
| DebInDenver | says | we're just in this period of transition, there is a broad definition of what SM is, people know its cool and their kids are more fluent |
| Connie | Dell was taking a beating in the blogosphere. Top management wanted to change that. |
| giggey | says | best adoption is both bottom up and and top down. Need the champions and need to build it into business processes, not only grassroots |
| servantofchaos | says | the grassroots thing is easier in tech companies because there is an understanding of open source ethos |
| Connie | servantofchaos I run into those people all the time and you do have to bite your tongue. |
| DebInDenver | says | giggey, I agree. So it goes back to the human relationships inside the co to foster change that everyone buys into |
| servantofchaos | says | giggey yes, identifying the 1% of the 1% and allowing them to evangelize |
| KDFrawg | says | when I was doing business process analysis, I was amazed by how many paths there were to an idea's success. |
| DebInDenver | says | this all goes to Connie's earlier point SM is a tool, all your other ducks need to be in a row to make it work |
| giggey | says | the top down support is key because they have the power to get rid of or reposition competing technologies, instead of just add new tool |
| KDFrawg | says | I hesitate to use the word viral, but some came in the side door and spread instantly. |
| servantofchaos | says | KDFrawg that is why SM can work in orgs at it surfaces the ecosystem overlaps and value networks that are otherwise hidden |
| DebInDenver | says | where is mackcollier? Are you on Twitter? |
| KDFrawg | says | Top mgmt* |
| servantofchaos | says | clever internal marketing can virally enable change by giving it a form of social/employee currency |
| Connie | I just pinged Mack on Twitter and told him we had over 200 responses for him. |
| DebInDenver | says | KDFrawg and that they are adding value to their employees by implementing this. New skills, learning, etc. |
| KDFrawg | says | Valid point, servantofchaos. |
| servantofchaos | has | to head off ... will check back in later! |
| giggey | says | bye servantofchaos |
| DebInDenver | says | So here's a new one. How do you get people who don't use SM to get on plurk and get going on it? How to introduce? |
| DebInDenver | says | bye servantofchaos! |
| Connie | Bye, Gavin. |
| KDFrawg | says | Hasta luego! |
| MackCollier | bye Gav! |
| giggey | says | I'm heading off too, night all and thanks for letting me play! |
| Connie | I'll let you know on Friday after my workshop. LOL |
| KDFrawg | says | They will tweet, but Plurk scares them. |
| Connie | Actually, we'll be demoing Twitter. But in case Twitter is down, I'm going to switch to Plurk. |
| DebInDenver | says | night giggey |
| sschablow | says | connie so why is there not a mechanism to notify someone of their responses on here? only thing missing? |
| DebInDenver | says | Connie made a point earlier that she will teach a class where a group learns new tech together. It gives them a network to start with. |
| KDFrawg | says | Good night, giggey! |
| KDFrawg | says | I have been trying to figure out the dtabase schema. Unless I am wrong, they have all the data they need. |
| KDFrawg | says | It may not be in the right place, but they could certainly build a dynamic view. |
| KDFrawg | says | all that said, I'll bet they are working on it. But it would mean a lot of indexes and thus some performance loss. |
| MackCollier | apologies for ducking out, when to check on Twitter and those uppidy women were volunteering me to wear cow costume at SBMU! |
| Connie | thinks | seeing Mack in cow costume might be worth the trip to Ohio. |
| DebInDenver | says | I like the exposure I get to all the other plurks as I scan through to find the response to my plurk |
| DebInDenver | says | Be careful that you are not near the Ag school at OSU, you might get conscripted mackcollier |
| MackCollier | hey you saw I told Jen I'd do it if she wore puppy costume, she folded! YES!!!! |
| MackCollier | lol |
| Connie | I think a lot of the problem could be alleviated by adopting a different strategy -- what we've a talked about -- fewer friends on Plurk |
| Connie | but more in-depth discussion. |
| Connie | I'm slowly weeding some people out of my timeline. |
| MackCollier | apologies if you covered this, but what exactly is topic of your workshop on friday, Connie? |
| Connie | Mack, we're teaching a small class - 25 -- how to use five new tools. It's a hands-on workshop, everybody brings laptop to participate. |
| Connie | When they leave they will have a LinkedIn profile, Twitter account, know how to use Flickr and they'll have Google reader configured. |
| AmberCadabra | I am not uppidy. Just determined. |
| DebInDenver | says | connie you are right, as this conversation goes along, I am having to mute convos I am not participating in |
| Connie | Here's the workshop link: www.eventbrite.com/event/118371051 |
| MackCollier | Connie that sounds similar to what we'll be doing at SBMU, we call them 'classes', about 25 usually, great learning environment |
| Connie | This is a prototype - trial run. We'll refine the content and do a Texas Tour. |
| KDFrawg | says | I was very sorry to see Maki promoting the mindless addition of friends today. It may be right for Maki but it is not right for me. |
| Connie | Me either, Frawg. |
| DebInDenver | says | and they can all leave and teach their colleagues, friends, family |
| MackCollier | I get in trouble when determined and cute women start getting uppidy |
| Connie | Most of the SM conferences focus on theory with some strategy. We're teaching tactics and basic implementation of social media tools. |
| KDFrawg | says | There is too little time to go for quantity when quality is close at hand. |
| AmberCadabra | ok, I *AM* cute. so that's ok. : |
| Connie | Glad to hear SBMU is taking a similar approach. People leave the typical conf. w/ their eyes glazed over. They have no idea where to start. |
| KDFrawg | says | It is nice to see it being taught below the level of strategy. Tactics are under-rated. |
| AmberCadabra | But don't think that negates the cow costume. period. How bout a cow WITH a pink feather boa? |
| MackCollier | Connie it's a tough line to walk, want to make sure they understand the reasons why it works, but they want real-world examples |
| Connie | You can strategize till the cows come home (no offense mackcollier), but at some point you've got to roll up your sleeves & go to work. |
| DebInDenver | says | I got asked to do a *10 minute* Social Media 101 for an Ec Dev org, now how do you do that? I used analogies and images of similar media |
| MackCollier | right! Speakers have small audiences and are great about answering questions before during and after sessions |
| Connie | Hmmm. I've actually seen a cow w/ a pink feather boa -- at a place I used to work out called Goddess Fit. Their mascot is Heiferdite. |
| DebInDenver | says | LOL1 |
| KDFrawg | says | I stayed at Peachtree Plaza at the same time Bessie was at a Borden dinner there. |
| MackCollier | connie I think we talked about this a bit earlier today, the idea of trying to set a topic each night beforehand so everyone knows |
| MackCollier | what do you think? |
| KDFrawg | says | It's odd to see a cow led into a the ballroom there. |
| AmberCadabra | connie there's absolutely no substitute in SM for getting in and getting your hands dirty. |
| KDFrawg | says | Exactly/ |
| Connie | thinks | we need an online SMU - Social Media University. This must be the teachers' lounge.  |
| DebInDenver | says | no smoking! |
| Connie | MackCollier, I like that idea. And someone suggested we should tie it to AoC -- |
| KDFrawg | says | Until you have seen the interactions, the strategy can easily put you to sleep. |
| AmberCadabra | mackcollier I like that idea... |
| Connie | Each night someone present their chapter from the first AoC and open it up for discussion. Could blog the chapter, then plurk the convo. |
| KDFrawg | says | That would be great! |
| DebInDenver | says | going back to teaching theory v. strategy/tactics the challenge is theory motivates some learners and practicalities motivate others |
| KDFrawg | says | Very, true. Which changes the strategy and tactics of the teacher. |
| Connie | I would hate to limit to AoC authors, though. So for those who want to "present" they could do a different topic. Each night have diff host. |
| DebInDenver | says | what is AoC? |
| KDFrawg | says | Honestly, I find it best if you weave it together, going back and forth, so as not to lose anyone for too long. |
| Connie | The Age of Conversation -- collaborative book a number of us tweeters and plurkers worked on last year. Each chapter is 400 words. |
| DebInDenver | says | Oh cool! |
| Connie | 103 authors from 4 or 5 countries |
| DebInDenver | says | wow! I like the cross-cultural piece! |
| KDFrawg | says | www.ageofconversation.com/ |
| Connie | Unbelievable experience. servantofchaos and Drew McLellan originated the idea and served as editors. One in Iowa, other in Australia |
| Connie | And they never met until this past April in NYC at Blogger Social 08. |
| DebInDenver | says | thx |
| KDFrawg | says | The world is getting more fun by the advancing-technology day. |
| DebInDenver | says | In grad school we did that (in japan) we had people from 15 cultures working on a book on globablization and borders. It was fun. |
| Connie | We're already working on AoC2008 - 275 collaborators. Don't know how many countries yet for this year's version. |
| Connie | All the proceeds from the book go to a children's charity. |
| Connie | w00t  that was comment #300. |
| MackCollier | Connie that's a great idea, only problem I see is, only a few of us that have written an AoC chapter are active here, right? |
| Connie | That's true, Mack. And we want to be inclusive. |
| Connie | The other idea was to do a book club type group -- perhaps around Rohit Bhargava's Personality Not Included. |
| KDFrawg | says | This place needs a ballroom. |
| KDFrawg | says | With a bar. |
| Connie | I have a good idea, but it's going to take more than 140 characters to explain it. |
| KDFrawg | says | Go for it. |
| DebInDenver | says | that hasn't stopped any of us so far! |
| Connie | For book club. Take turns hosting it on our blogs, and instead of Plurk we use CoverItLive, which embeds the chat into your blog and |
| MackCollier | Connie what if we do this...have some sort of 'list' that people can sign up for what night and topic they want to talk about |
| Connie | also saves the transcript for later reading. |
| Connie | There, didn't take too much more than 140. |
| MackCollier | then everyone can choose which topic to pay attention to |
| Connie | And you can add multimedia. |
| MackCollier | like on sunday night, everyone posts their topics/days for the week |
| Connie | I like the idea of the list, Mack. |
| DebInDenver | says | sounds like a plan! |
| Connie | Do we do it all on the same night, or take turns hosting on different nights? |
| DebInDenver | says | could you have several going on several different nights? |
| MackCollier | i would think whoever wants to pick a topic/day can, like we could have 3 ppl signed up to talk about diff topics on monday,etc |
| MackCollier | yes i could see multiple topics each night |
| KDFrawg | says | This is very, very good. |
| Connie | If we keep it on Plurk, we might want to do different nights so we don't dilute the audience. |
| Connie | By that I mean we are only a handful and of course we'll recruit more participants, but we don't want to throw a party & no one show up. |
| KDFrawg | says | maybe we could use both venues? |
| DebInDenver | says | how many folks do you think can be on one thread for any one talk and not jam up the works? |
| KDFrawg | says | I'm trying to think that through technically. |
| Connie | If we do it on our blogs, we would be using Plurk (and Twitter, I'm sure) to drive traffic to each other's blogs. |
| MackCollier | Deb you and Connie have basically driven a 328 reply convo here |
| Connie | DebinDenver excellent question. We could break Plurk in short order. |
| KDFrawg | says | It should not matter until the number gets very high. Hundreds, at least. |
| Connie | MackCollier. Your fault. You got us started. |
| KDFrawg | says | Hundreds of people subsribed to the thread, I man. |
| DebInDenver | says | I am not worried about breaking plurk, more about people having the problem that giggey had- not able to get in on a convo |
| KDFrawg | says | There is no logical limit to the number of responses in a thread, I don't think. |
| DebInDenver | says | yeah Mack Collier, i think you advertised (pimped) that video like, 3 times today  |
| KDFrawg | says | Yes, somebody is going to have to be friends with everybody. |
| KDFrawg | says | Then that person will have to start the tr=hreads. |
| DebInDenver | says | MackCollier, I am not sure I can make it past 375! Type faster! |
| Connie | I want to experiment w CoverItLive so what if we try it out there first and post links on Plurk? We had between 20-40 ppl on live blog thr. |
| KDFrawg | says | I saw a thread last night with 1300. |
| Connie | Good grief! |
| MackCollier | we'll be there in a few mins at this rate |
| Connie | 1300 - that was a talkative group. |
| MackCollier | a thread here?!? |
| MackCollier | whats the url for cover it live? |
| KDFrawg | says | Yes, here. It was one of those fairly dimb topics, too. |
| DebInDenver | says | I like the CoverLite we can pop over to Plurk periodically to post, kind of like we did tonight btwn threads. |
| DebInDenver | says | sorry, coveritlive, see what I mean? |
| Connie | coveritlive.com |
| DebInDenver | says | I like the gong sound |
| KDFrawg | says | That looks interesting. |
| Connie | CoverItLive embeds a live multimedia chat room into your blog. |
| KDFrawg | says | so I see. |
| Connie | And saves it so it can be viewed/read later. |
| KDFrawg | says | is it fairly smooth, i.e. not jerky? |
| DebInDenver | says | weeknight? |
| Connie | It ran pretty good the one time I participated in a live event. And when we had a problem w/ something the CEO jumped on and responded. |
| Connie | We could do a test-run on my personal blog where I rarely post. Just a small group like this. |
| KDFrawg | says | cool! |
| DebInDenver | says | we could test run it some time. There seem to be a fair number of us on this thread and others we can recruit. |
| DebInDenver | says | great minds think alike |
| KDFrawg | says | What kind of numbers could be expected? |
| Connie | Okay, I've got to get to bed and rest up before Root Canal tomorrow. (I put it in all caps because it is a Big Event.) |
| Connie | But I'll try a test run tomorrow night and will let you know when I have it set up. |
| KDFrawg | says | Yes, IT is. |
| DebInDenver | says | I have to bail too. It was fun! |
| KDFrawg | says | It's been great! |
| DebInDenver | says | connie goodluck tomorrow! |
| Connie | Good night, all. We will continue this discussion tomorrow. I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. Many thanks. |
| KDFrawg | says | I'll do some looking into the service. |
| DebInDenver | says | I enjoyed it too. So much fun, so little time. |
| KDFrawg | says | Just think! A cast of thousands! |
| Connie | |
| MackCollier | good luck tomorrow Connie! I am going to go back and read this to see what I missed, tomorrow |
| KDFrawg | says | DebInDenver - LOL! |
| DebInDenver | says | good night everyone! |
| Connie | Thanks, all. MackCollier - you've set the bar high. 382 responses. |
| KDFrawg | says | I'm going to wander off and see what else plurk has to offer tonight. It won't be as good as this. |
| MackCollier | lol you and Deb took over this thread early on, it belongs to you guys |
| Beth Harte | says | WOW! Sorry to have missed this, but was catching up on sleep! I have learned a bunch (& took notes!) reading 385 plurks! |
| Beth Harte | loves | the idea of a book club & also loves the idea of trying CoverItLive on a blog(s). |
| Beth Harte | says | Thank you for sharing some new apps that I have never heard of that I think will help w/what I am considering implementing at work. |
| servantofchaos | is | amazed that this conversation just keeps shifting and getting better! |
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