Eric Odom asks wtf is up with the "negative actions" in the new Karma ALGO?

90 responses to this plurk.

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  June 15, 2008 at 19:08 Eric Odom says I give the new Karma ALGO a fail. Friend request being rejected? So I'm not supposed to network and find new friends?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:12 Eric Odom says No it isn't. Social networking is based on finding people with similar interest and connecting with them
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:12 Eric Odom says why would I be punished for trying to do that, but occasionally running in to someone who didn't want to connect up?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:12 sentientlee thinks it's a GREAT feature. It's getting rid of all those stupid people that request to be friends but really aren't.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:13 sentientlee thinks No more stupid MySpace and Twitter people with thousands of *not* real friends
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:13 Eric Odom says how do you know, sentientlee ? I accept most, if not all of those who request my friendship. Maybe it will work out to be a good connect
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:14 DaisyOlsen I think it's there to prevent over friending. I'm am ok with that one.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:14 vangogh says I agree. I think the concept of losing karma is ok, but rejected friend requests is not the way to go
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:14 kiari is curious at who's going to judge "quality" plurking.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:14 JEGERPHIL says hey new karma system!
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:15 Eric Odom says so, in essence, if I don't want someone to climb the karma rank, I simply reject their friend request? Couldn't that be used to stay on top?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:15 sentientlee says True, but it these people carry on good convos, then there is no reason to get rejected because of the "friendship" you've built
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:16 Eric Odom says yes, there is. There are some developers here at Plurk who specify that they will not add anyone they don't know personally
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:16 sentientlee says well how many times are you going to reject them?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:16 Eric Odom says how do I know someone else doesn't use the same rule, but hasn't told me about it?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:17 Eric Odom says that's not the point, sentientlee
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:19 sentientlee thinks that maybe Plurk Inc. uses the negative Karma as an incentive to build a relationship with a person then ask to be friends.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:20 sentientlee says although when I started in Plurk i did randomly friend people... lol
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:21 Eric Odom says KDFrawg, theGypsy, and several other people have become people I converse with outside of Plurk because of "random friend requests"
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:23 vangogh says I don't think friend rejects are going to be manipulated to such a hight degree. The problem is it discourages making new friends
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:25 sentientlee I'm guessing that if you're a *fan* of someone, then they don't see your updates, but you see theirs... correct?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:26 ThatDude says yes sentientlee that is correct.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:31 sentientlee ok, if you respond to other peoples updates and u start to build up a repertoire w/them, then wouldn't they want u as a friend? = no -Karma?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:32 Eric Odom asks what are the pro's and con's of this? -Friend request rejections -Getting unfollowed by friends -Spamming other users with too many plurks
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:33 ThatDude thinks it helps to make bring the focus to the community instead of trying to make karma as high as can be.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:34 Eric Odom says Can we not have both?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:34 sentientlee asks How?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:35 ThatDude says you can have both but people should be so concerned about their karma. If you're building relationships, karma will fall into place.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:36 ThatDude says sorry, "people shouldn't be so concerned"
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:37 sentientlee says Plus the definition of the word Karma is exactly what they are implementing. See here under Law of Karma: tinyurl.com/7l2sj
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:38 sentientlee says or here: tinyurl.com/5qaqls
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:38 Eric Odom says yeah, I get that about karma. So then, how does someone refusing your friendship give you negative karma (real karma speaking...)
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:38 Eric Odom says or people unfollowing you?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:38 Eric Odom says just playing devils advocate
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:40 ThatDude says people unfollowing you could mean you're doing something wrong (spamming) or they don't like you.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:41 sentientlee says Refuse friendship = not real friend or they not like you, unfollow = friendship went bad.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:41 rob-rific™ thinks that too many plurks lowering karma is an interesting idea
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:41 sentientlee = Bad Karma...
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:41 ThatDude says If that person doesn't like you (has nothing in common) your karma should balance out again.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:43 Eric Odom says "unfollow = friendship went bad." this isn't true. I've unfollowed several people because A) They were not plurking in english sometimes
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:43 Eric Odom says and I have a crowded timeline
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:43 Eric Odom says that was supposed to be a "B"
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:43 Eric Odom says my point is that you're generalizing
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:45 sentientlee says yeah I am, but I think I see the point that Plurk Inc. is trying to make with the Karma system.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:47 Eric Odom says I see their point too, not arguing the point they make, just trying to weigh the value of it
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:47 sentientlee says As far as crowded timeline I see your point but do you really have 2 follow all those people? Even the not always English ones? *Rhetorical*
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:48 Eric Odom says no, I don't... which is why I unfollowed them Bummer for them that this will now hurt their karma. See what I mean?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:49 ThatDude asks do you unfriend or stop following plurks?
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:49 Eric Odom says not sure about everyone else, but I just unfollow
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:50 sentientlee says yeah I do, but I think that in the long run the Karma System is good for the health of Plurk.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:50 jsalvachua says Dont want people massively connect to others. This helps the scallability of software, but, on the long run will be bad lossing lot of info.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:52 sentientlee asks bad lossing lot of info. ???
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:53 jsalvachua says means wont get the )
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:53 ThatDude says I wonder why you would unfollow plurks by someone instead of removing them as a friend.
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:54 jsalvachua says means loosing the weak links plurks, usally with info and ideas different from closer friends
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:54 sentientlee ah, ok
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:55 sentientlee says that's a good question vrsandersjr
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:57 Eric Odom says vrsandersjr because I still consider them Plurk friends and want quick access to their profiles for private plurking
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  June 15, 2008 at 19:57 sentientlee says p.s. is there an easier way to reply to someone using @? Instead of: @ -> copy & paste name -> type message -> Enter
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:02 sentientlee says @.: Plurkable.com :. couldn't you still do that if you were their fan? Oh, do you kinda mean like a web Bookmark?
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:04 Eric Odom says yeah, very much like a web bookmark... only using my friends list.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:08 disneyr says just because I ask for friendship and get rejected, should my karma go down? What is this a dating site?
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:09 sentientlee says I see. Sorry, to be annoying (I know I am), but then couldn't you then just bookmark their profiles? Or why would you not want to do that?
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:10 ThatDude thinks if you want to private message someone you'd have to be their friend.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:10 disneyr says this is supposed to be a "friendly plurkable world" not a singles bar. If karma goes down for being rejected why not just stay in real life?
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:10 sentientlee says lol disneyr , but why did you get rejected? Are you really their friend?
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:11 disneyr says heck at one point I had 41 friends and overnight because of some glitch (i think) I only had 11 friends. No karma lost then though.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:12 ThatDude says disneyr I think it's about building community. If you're participating in the community a rejection is not going to matter in the long run.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:12 disneyr says I try to be a real friend but I am merely human after all.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:13 sentientlee says vrsandersjr I think you're right about the Private Message and I agree about the community statement.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:13 disneyr says I agree but it is also about building a virtual community. Shouldn't the virtual community be a little more forgiving than the real one?
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:14 sentientlee says NO!
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:14 sentientlee says LOL JK JK
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:15 ThatDude says just like the "real world" if people don't want to be your friend, screw them.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:16 sentientlee says I just wanna pause here and say that I've NEVER had such an in-depth convo like this on Twitter. NEVER. ... Was I using Twitter wrong? lol
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:18 disneyr says which is why I think we all hang out here.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:18 disneyr says at least more than at twitter.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:22 ThatDude says sentientlee I was going to say the same thing. This really isn't possible on Twitter because you can't have a complete stream like this.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:23 ThatDude says also on Twitter if I were follow one person and not the other I would miss a chunk of the convo.
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  June 15, 2008 at 20:44 sentientlee thinks the thing to find out is how much will Negative actions hurt our Karma? We could be talking for no reason if it takes .05 or something.
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  June 16, 2008 at 14:08 sentientlee says ha ha
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  June 16, 2008 at 14:12 Eric Odom says faerie that is hilarious!
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  June 16, 2008 at 14:58 irfster thinks karma = having good conversations around relevant ideas with friends
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  June 16, 2008 at 15:00 irfster thinks karma should increase if you contribute positively to the community
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  June 16, 2008 at 15:01 irfster thinks karma shouldn't decline if you try to find others who might be interested in joining your community
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  June 16, 2008 at 15:03 irfster thinks karma should decline if the ratio of your plurks to responses to your plurks is higher than average