| Eric Odom | says | I give the new Karma ALGO a fail. Friend request being rejected? So I'm not supposed to network and find new friends? |
| Eric Odom | says | No it isn't. Social networking is based on finding people with similar interest and connecting with them |
| Eric Odom | says | why would I be punished for trying to do that, but occasionally running in to someone who didn't want to connect up? |
| sentientlee | thinks | it's a GREAT feature. It's getting rid of all those stupid people that request to be friends but really aren't. |
| sentientlee | thinks | No more stupid MySpace and Twitter people with thousands of *not* real friends |
| Eric Odom | says | how do you know, sentientlee ? I accept most, if not all of those who request my friendship. Maybe it will work out to be a good connect |
| DaisyOlsen | I think it's there to prevent over friending. I'm am ok with that one. |
| vangogh | says | I agree. I think the concept of losing karma is ok, but rejected friend requests is not the way to go |
| kiari | is | curious at who's going to judge "quality" plurking. |
| Eric Odom | says | so, in essence, if I don't want someone to climb the karma rank, I simply reject their friend request? Couldn't that be used to stay on top? |
| sentientlee | says | True, but it these people carry on good convos, then there is no reason to get rejected because of the "friendship" you've built |
| Eric Odom | says | yes, there is. There are some developers here at Plurk who specify that they will not add anyone they don't know personally |
| sentientlee | says | well how many times are you going to reject them? |
| Eric Odom | says | how do I know someone else doesn't use the same rule, but hasn't told me about it? |
| Eric Odom | says | that's not the point, sentientlee |
| sentientlee | thinks | that maybe Plurk Inc. uses the negative Karma as an incentive to build a relationship with a person then ask to be friends. |
| sentientlee | says | although when I started in Plurk i did randomly friend people...  lol |
| vangogh | says | I don't think friend rejects are going to be manipulated to such a hight degree. The problem is it discourages making new friends |
| sentientlee | I'm guessing that if you're a *fan* of someone, then they don't see your updates, but you see theirs... correct? |
| ThatDude | says | yes sentientlee that is correct. |
| sentientlee | ok, if you respond to other peoples updates and u start to build up a repertoire w/them, then wouldn't they want u as a friend? = no -Karma? |
| Eric Odom | asks | what are the pro's and con's of this? -Friend request rejections -Getting unfollowed by friends -Spamming other users with too many plurks |
| ThatDude | thinks | it helps to make bring the focus to the community instead of trying to make karma as high as can be. |
| Eric Odom | says | Can we not have both? |
| sentientlee | asks | How? |
| ThatDude | says | you can have both but people should be so concerned about their karma. If you're building relationships, karma will fall into place. |
| ThatDude | says | sorry, "people shouldn't be so concerned" |
| sentientlee | says | Plus the definition of the word Karma is exactly what they are implementing. See here under Law of Karma: tinyurl.com/7l2sj |
| sentientlee | says | or here: tinyurl.com/5qaqls |
| Eric Odom | says | yeah, I get that about karma. So then, how does someone refusing your friendship give you negative karma (real karma speaking...) |
| Eric Odom | says | or people unfollowing you? |
| Eric Odom | says | just playing devils advocate |
| ThatDude | says | people unfollowing you could mean you're doing something wrong (spamming) or they don't like you. |
| sentientlee | says | Refuse friendship = not real friend or they not like you, unfollow = friendship went bad. |
| rob-rific™ | thinks | that too many plurks lowering karma is an interesting idea |
| sentientlee | = Bad Karma... |
| ThatDude | says | If that person doesn't like you (has nothing in common) your karma should balance out again. |
| Eric Odom | says | "unfollow = friendship went bad." this isn't true. I've unfollowed several people because A) They were not plurking in english sometimes |
| Eric Odom | says | and  I have a crowded timeline |
| Eric Odom | says | that was supposed to be a "B" |
| Eric Odom | says | my point is that you're generalizing |
| sentientlee | says | yeah I am, but I think I see the point that Plurk Inc. is trying to make with the Karma system. |
| Eric Odom | says | I see their point too, not arguing the point they make, just trying to weigh the value of it |
| sentientlee | says | As far as crowded timeline I see your point but do you really have 2 follow all those people? Even the not always English ones? *Rhetorical* |
| Eric Odom | says | no, I don't... which is why I unfollowed them Bummer for them that this will now hurt their karma. See what I mean? |
| ThatDude | asks | do you unfriend or stop following plurks? |
| Eric Odom | says | not sure about everyone else, but I just unfollow |
| sentientlee | says | yeah I do, but I think that in the long run the Karma System is good for the health of Plurk. |
| jsalvachua | says | Dont want people massively connect to others. This helps the scallability of software, but, on the long run will be bad lossing lot of info. |
| sentientlee | asks | bad lossing lot of info. ??? |
| jsalvachua | says | means wont get the ) |
| ThatDude | says | I wonder why you would unfollow plurks by someone instead of removing them as a friend. |
| jsalvachua | says | means loosing the weak links plurks, usally with info and ideas different from closer friends |
| sentientlee | ah, ok  |
| sentientlee | says | that's a good question vrsandersjr |
| Eric Odom | says | vrsandersjr because I still consider them Plurk friends and want quick access to their profiles for private plurking |
| sentientlee | says | p.s. is there an easier way to reply to someone using @? Instead of: @ -> copy & paste name -> type message -> Enter |
| sentientlee | says | @.: Plurkable.com :. couldn't you still do that if you were their fan? Oh, do you kinda mean like a web Bookmark? |
| Eric Odom | says | yeah, very much like a web bookmark... only using my friends list. |
| disneyr | says | just because I ask for friendship and get rejected, should my karma go down? What is this a dating site? |
| sentientlee | says | I see. Sorry, to be annoying (I know I am), but then couldn't you then just bookmark their profiles? Or why would you not want to do that? |
| ThatDude | thinks | if you want to private message someone you'd have to be their friend. |
| disneyr | says | this is supposed to be a "friendly plurkable world" not a singles bar. If karma goes down for being rejected why not just stay in real life? |
| sentientlee | says | lol disneyr , but why did you get rejected? Are you really their friend? |
| disneyr | says | heck at one point I had 41 friends and overnight because of some glitch (i think) I only had 11 friends. No karma lost then though. |
| disneyr | says | I try to be a real friend but I am merely human after all.  |
| sentientlee | says | vrsandersjr I think you're right about the Private Message and I agree about the community statement. |
| disneyr | says | I agree but it is also about building a virtual community. Shouldn't the virtual community be a little more forgiving than the real one? |
| sentientlee | says | NO!  |
| sentientlee | says | LOL JK JK  |
| ThatDude | says | just like the "real world" if people don't want to be your friend, screw them. |
| sentientlee | says | I just wanna pause here and say that I've NEVER had such an in-depth convo like this on Twitter. NEVER. ... Was I using Twitter wrong? lol |
| disneyr | says | which is why I think we all hang out here. |
| disneyr | says | at least more than at twitter. |
| ThatDude | says | sentientlee I was going to say the same thing. This really isn't possible on Twitter because you can't have a complete stream like this. |
| ThatDude | says | also on Twitter if I were follow one person and not the other I would miss a chunk of the convo. |
| sentientlee | thinks | the thing to find out is how much will Negative actions hurt our Karma? We could be talking for no reason if it takes .05 or something. |
| sentientlee | says | ha ha |
| irfster | thinks | karma = having good conversations around relevant ideas with friends |
| irfster | thinks | karma should increase if you contribute positively to the community |
| irfster | thinks | karma shouldn't decline if you try to find others who might be interested in joining your community |
| irfster | thinks | karma should decline if the ratio of your plurks to responses to your plurks is higher than average |
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