| MackCollier | says | it amazes me to see people that really 'get' social media, using Twitter as a channel to pimp and never as a place to interact with others. |
Jun 15, 2008 -
06:47PM
| MackCollier | says | it amazes me to see people that really 'get' social media, using Twitter as a channel to pimp and never as a place to interact with others. |
| Connie | thinks | MackCollier is right. Part of it is scale; they should never have added back all followers IMO. Part of it is no desire to engage. |
| DebInAustin | says | I think it's generational. The kids in my building use it for social purposes. |
| Tim Jackson | Why interact when you're the top dog? Interacting is for suckers. |
| DebInAustin | says | TimJackson right from the Prince's mouth to the ears of babes |
| MackCollier | says | timjackson but these guys KNOW how SM works, so they should know that SOME interaction would improve their pimping efforts |
| Connie | But they don't really enjoy interacting for the pure joy of it. That's what we're enjoying here. Having conversations just because we can. |
| Tim Jackson | HA! I just get all cranky and crabby when I think about many of those folks. I have always had a problem w/ elitist attitudes. |
| Tim Jackson | It all makes my Bionic Thumb *very* angry... and you wouldn't like it when it's angry. |
| DebInAustin | says | so you think "bionic" is not elitist/privileged? |
| Tim Jackson | Yes Mack, you'd expect more from "experts". Connie- exactly. They don't do it for genuine joy. |
| MackCollier | says | lol yeah i think some of it is ego 'i don't HAVE to talk to you, so I won't' HS all over again |
| Tim Jackson | Nah, Deb, he's a thumb of the people. |
| DebInAustin | says | oh puh-leeze! |
| karllong | says | once it becomes a one way communication it's just broadcast media it is no longer social media |
| Tim Jackson | I loved the whole z-list meme before because it highlighted a lot of people who know their Shtuff who aren't so full of themselves. |
| Tim Jackson | karllong- precisely friend. |
| DebInAustin | says | I agree. I was thinking about the habits of late adopters and, being one myself, it is a change to incorporate this into daily life |
| Connie | Problem w/ the Z-list and Chris Brogan's Twitter Pack ideas -- anybody could add themselves. No true recommendations; became spam. |
| DebInAustin | says | what I mean is that I have built a facebook page, signed up for Twitter, Twine, Stumble, a bunch of stuff and check occasionally. |
| Tim Jackson | See, I'm supposed to be writing a 32 page catalog right now. But I am hit w/ writer's block. So I'm here feeding my brain. |
| DebInAustin | says | inspiration is for amateurs. |
| Tim Jackson | But z-list DID get some good people in front of a lot of new readers. Yes, it got spammy... but I like the new low-sodium Spam ... it's good |
| MackCollier | says | connie the Z-List worked perfectly @ first cause ppl like timjackson and craphammer understood it was a project for community, not them |
| MackCollier | says | the people that REALLY got it pushed it out. But once it got big enough that Seth found it, then the 'Make Money From BLogging' crowd got it |
| Connie | Agree - it worked at first. But how do you protect something like that from ppl who *don't* understand? |
| DebInAustin | says | and why is it that everything cool has to make a buck. Can't it just be for building community? |
| Tim Jackson | Age old question connie; how do you keep athletes from doping? |
| MackCollier | says | connie it worked on the 'honor' system at first, then those wanting to broadcast corrupted it, but hey, it was community's to use |
| Tim Jackson | Yes MackCollier it started w/ heart. |
| Connie | Yeah, it is an age-old question. |
| Connie | It started with a very good motive. I was just sad to see it get out of hand. |
| Tim Jackson | Yes, ditto that. |
| MackCollier | says | funny thing is, I got hundreds of links from starting that, and if i had started it JUST to promote myself, would have gotten almost none |
| MackCollier | says | many of the ppl that linked to Z-List didn't link to The Viral Garden at all |
| MackCollier | says | but I was ok with that cause it helped ppl just starting out like Becky Carroll get a TON of awareness out of the gate |
| Tim Jackson | See, it's because you do really think in terms of community. The community repays that. Think of CK as another good example. |
| DebInAustin | says | when i worked in Japan relationship v. profit was always a challenge. Japanese take 3 yrs for bus dev, relatiosnship first |
| MackCollier | says | I think both Peter Kim and Becky Carroll saw their blogs go from less than 50 links to over 200 in a coupl of weeks frm being on first zList |
| MackCollier | says | yep CK gets it, so do Ann and Jennifer Laycock, they understand you cultivate your community, and the rest takes care of itself |
| Connie | says | And that's a good thing. Remembering now that it was after Seth found it that it went crazy. I give far more links than I receive ... |
| Connie | But that doesn't bother me. Because just getting links is not why I blog or Twitter or Plurk. |
| MackCollier | says | Seth wanted to use it as tool to bring attention to Squidoo, but when the ability to vote up/down was added, all hell broke loose |
| Tim Jackson | connie- precisely. |
| DebInAustin | says | I pitch that to potential clients. Always a challenge, but it is easy to show good examples because you can measure traffic. Sigh |
| MackCollier | says | I don't think Seth expected what happened, and if he'd knew it would dissolve, he wouldn't have added it to Squidoo |
| DebInAustin | says | another form of karma... |
| jayseae | says | MackCollier, that's exactly why I like Plurk - Twitter seems more and more a one-way channel. |
| MackCollier | says | jayseae I noticed your post saying you were leaving Twitter for Plurk |
| jayseae | says | yep - like the 2-way conversations much better. Haven't looked back. I'm sure there's something I'm missing, but I haven't missed it yet! |
| jayseae | says | I even uninstalled Twhirl (I also uninstalled Pownce apps - but who would notice those?).  |
| williamu | asks | Isn't this the problem with all tools (starting with email) once it becomes more accepted, mainstream the misuse (nay, "pimping") increases? |
| MikeSansone | says | Wow. After reading this thread, I think I get Plurk. Great stuff. I'm also late now, tho |
| servantofchaos | says | now this is why Plurk is cool! What a conversation! |
| sschablow | says | its great to be able to follow the conversation thread so easily. |
| miketempleton | Great example of where Plurk succeeds and Twitter fails. A permalinked conversation about a topic. Hard part is following them all. |
| catrocketship | I actually use Twitter almost exclusively to interact, and barely interact with people at all on Plurk. |
| Supercro | is | I'm a total Plurk Newbie. That much I know. |
| Supercro | doesn't use Twitter to engage in dialog. I use Twitter to broadcast what I'm doing, when I'm doing it. A quick IM to the masses. |
| acnatta | ditto to Supercro's comments |
| AmberCadabra | Still feel more at home on Twitter and find better biz connections there, but Plurk is new yet so I'm an open minded girl. |
| MackCollier | says | I agree on Twitter being better for biz connections. That's a big reason why I spend time with both |
| AmberCadabra | I think it still has potential, Twitter has more road miles. As long as my tab shifting skills keep up, I'm golden |
| MackCollier | says | have you tried Twhirl for Twitter? MUCH better experience than web ver of Twitter, IMO |
| giggey | must confess she has on;y ever used the Twitter web UI  |
| MackCollier | says | give Twhirl a try, it makes replies to you a diff color and you get a diff sound when they come, and it updates automatically! Perfect! |
| giggey | thinks | I might just give it a try when I get back home |
| AmberCadabra | Unfortunately, Twirhl has given me the shaft on more than one occasion. |
| AmberCadabra | I would LOVE to use it, but no matter what settings I use, I keep getting time outs. |
| MackCollier | says | oh that's right I forgot about that Amber. Did you try Snitter? Similar to Twhirl. |
| AmberCadabra | I didn't! I'll give that a look. |
| giggey | says | maybe I'll stick with the web  |
| johnrhopkins | says | these days, anything social that requires a download is going to be a hard sell |
| AmberCadabra | The downloads are more like the bonus round that make it easier to keep up with. |
| johnrhopkins | says | perhaps, but I use several computers in several places... so that complicates keeping up with anything more than a few URLs |
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