| tonyo | thinks | some folks who detest mass actions are just (vainly) covering up their own inaction. |
Dec 10, 2008 -
04:52PM
| tonyo | thinks | some folks who detest mass actions are just (vainly) covering up their own inaction. |
| tonyo | Some people are just busy, some have no extra time, others disagree. But what is so pathetic is the claim... |
| Johnny Cash | i think it is not detesting as it is misunderstanding |
| tonyo | ...that rallies are passe. Because this same people do sing paens to rallyists when the mass action favors them |
| Johnny Cash | they may not see the value and utility of protest if it does not directly involve them |
| tonyo | I'm just amazed how the culture of apathy and cynicism is discrediting those who choose not to be apathetic and cynical |
| Cocoy. | says | i've blogged about the many reasons why rallies have failed and will continue to fail on FV countless times. round round it always goes. |
| Cocoy. | says | i've also spoken about how to change it. people associate rallies with "complaining" with "whining". and associate the opposition of being |
| Cocoy. | says | no better than the arroyos. people are looking for something else to spark their interest. that means proving to them you're good. |
| Cocoy. | says | i think it is no different from a man courting a woman. Maria Clara needs to be wined and dined. |
| Johnny Cash | caffeinesparks: who, me, pomo?  kidding |
| Johnny Cash | kulang talaga ng awareness because of control by institutions |
| Johnny Cash | and kulang ng awareness kasi people are not informed |
| Cocoy. | says | marocharim i disagree. people are aware, organizers have not given people enough reason to join. |
| Johnny Cash | cocoy: you mean people need a carrot on the stick, a motivation? |
| Johnny Cash | methinks what we need is to *bring* the issue to them. not to *force* the issue to them |
| Johnny Cash | to their sphere and to their understanding |
| Johnny Cash | generate discourse, generate dissent |
| Johnny Cash | caffeinesparks : idol!  |
| Cocoy. | says | people. they understand. completely. they detest all this. they don't like the scandals any more than you or i. but you have to give them |
| Cocoy. | says | reason to do this again. not after what happened at edsa 2. they won't trust a street protest ever again. |
| Cocoy. | says | caffeinesparks can you really blame people for not reading the newspaper with all the bad news going around? all the negativity? |
| Cocoy. | says | when you asked the opposition what will you do after gma, if you do get her out of office the answer is: we'll think about it when that time |
| Cocoy. | says | comes. i mean, seriously? there is no exit strategy? who do you get to run? who do you trust who wouldn't do the same thing? |
| Cocoy. | says | between the devil we know (gma) and the devil we do not know (mystery opposition messiah), can we really blame people if they'd stick w/gma? |
| Cocoy. | says | people, they already know gma and her ilk are evil. we don't have to sell 'em the kool aid. the trouble is, they don't trust the next guy 2 |
| Johnny Cash | hmmm... can you blame people who can't afford newspapers? |
| Cocoy. | says | marocharim they watch tv too and they listen to radio. even in our shanty towns, they get tv. |
| Cocoy. | says | they're willing to buy. just give them a reason to. |
| Cocoy. | says | caffeinesparks that is 90% of the problem. i wouldn't. it wouldn't be the wisest thing to do. devil you know, against devil you don't? |
| Cocoy. | says | what guarantees will there be if the next guy is less evil than gma? remember erap? we exchanged the devil we know with someone worst. |
| Cocoy. | says | that's one. the second is. if people do give us power. what are we to do with it? what's the post gma strategy? and who will benefit? |
| Johnny Cash | cocoy: it's not about guarantees, but justice. do the right thing |
| Cocoy. | says | the same church that rejects the RH bill? what happens to the governors and congressmen who pursue the greater evil? |
| Johnny Cash | if we continue to look at things post-GMA, we'll be stuck post GMA. |
| Johnny Cash | we need to look BEYOND GMA for once because this country is not GMA |
| Cocoy. | says | marocharim the only justice for me is a guarantee that our people get what they need: better education, healthcare, governance & leadership |
| Cocoy. | says | exactly we NEED to look BEYOND GMA. what is the exit strategy? what is the plan for the future? energy? education? healthcare? what? |
| Johnny Cash | cocoy: and you expect that to be given by GMA? |
| Johnny Cash |  |
| Cocoy. | says | GMA is just the symptom. what are we to do with the countless congressmen? |
| Johnny Cash | mass actions are not about replacements |
| Cocoy. | says | i dont expect gma to do anything but serve herself interest. |
| Johnny Cash | they're expressions of dissent and discontent that we have had enough |
| Johnny Cash | and if you have had enough, you dissent, you express discontent, you protest. |
| Cocoy. | says | but are WE really acting? are WE serving the greater good by simply going to the street and having chanting at the top of our lungs? |
| Johnny Cash | not acting now will mean there is no long-term |
| Cocoy. | says | the thing is--- those idiots in Congress, they could care less if people SHOUTED everyday. |
| Johnny Cash | it's not about chanting and simply going out on the streets cocoy |
| Cocoy. | says | they don't care. they're immune to it all already. |
| Johnny Cash | i certainly hope not. |
| Cocoy. | says | they do. they don't care. |
| Johnny Cash | i bank on the hope that people are not immune to injustice |
| Cocoy. | says | oh they're not immune. they're just waiting for a better deal. |
| Cocoy. | says | sparks, i disagree. this isn't a deterministic universe, it is a probable one. |
| Shari | says | not immune. tired and hopeless more like it. for some. |
| Cocoy. | says | give them something to believe in again. spark their courage. EDSA 2 really shook the foundation. |
| Johnny Cash | hope being wasted on the hopeless i presume? |
| Cocoy. | says | no--- there is always hope. we just need to show them good faith. it's like a man caught cheating by his wife. but wants to stay |
| Johnny Cash | i hope so! |
| Cocoy. | says | in the marriage. both do. the woman and the man. but the man has to court her again. to show her, he still loves her and will do better |
| Cocoy. | says | something like that. |
| Shari | says | you know, for the most part, i think people are afraid. afraid to "believe" in something again. they may join the resistance now, but who |
| Cocoy. | says | that's what i think everyone opposed to gma needs to do. because it isn't just GMA--- she's just the poster girl for everything wrong. |
| Cocoy. | says | we need to look beyond it all. |
| Johnny Cash | watch v for vendetta |
| Shari | says | knows what the future holds? how can they be assured that this time around, they'd see the light and have hope again? |
| Johnny Cash | hope is about faith Shari. not clairvoyance |
| Shari | says | marocharim they have no faith to spare to anyone but themselves & their family. they have people to feed. make a living. they're just too |
| Shari | says | spent to put their faith in something unknown. |
| Cocoy. | says | i stand corrected, lady caffeinesparks |
| Cocoy. | says | marocharim V for Vendetta book is far better than the movie. |
| Shari | says | "we're unsure of." sorry. haha. caffeinesparks i stand corrected. |
| tonyo | Rallies are good for the country. It roils people in power and should inspire those who are thinking twice about mass actions. |
| tonyo | Perhaps those who feel they have good ideas to mobilize the public should bring those ideas to the public. Time to turn ideas into action. |
| tonyo | I also think we must face down the institutional, legal and ideological bias against the Left. |
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