| LParisi | asks | Why is it that the only way others can shine is for me to stop shining? This is the message I keep getting in school. |
Nov 17, 2008 -
05:26PM
| LParisi | asks | Why is it that the only way others can shine is for me to stop shining? This is the message I keep getting in school. |
| Gramma Annie! | Oh, Bleh, bleh, bleh, you just shine on! |
| adina | Whatever! Do what you do!!! |
| jenn.kraft | Unfortunately, they're probably sending the same message to students. Keep on shining and doing a great job! |
| CereseG | Yes and while you are at it, please ask all the high performing kids to please stop |
| CereseG | so the school can go further down hill to make the other schools in the area look better |
| CereseG | you did get the sarcasm didn't you! |
| MariaK | thinks | this does not sound good. Hoe you are okay. Remember that it is not about you - it is really about some other folks. |
| Jo McLeay | Lisa you just keep doing what you are good at. I guess we have all experienced what you are going through. This too will pass. |
| colleenk | says | Ummmm...because they aren't as good as you????? |
| sharon_elin | says | Tell them a polished finish reflects back the truth. |
| dmcordell | says | Some districts bask in the glow of their stars (Joyce Valenza's for example). It's them, not you...shine on, Lisa! |
| LParisi | I am feeling very sad right now. My husband is telling me to back off entirely. Maybe I should. |
| LParisi | The principal needs me and Christine to teach VT on Thursday to the staff but I shouldn't make it apparent that I |
| LParisi | created the VT we are using. And I shouldn't have our students respond first. "Let others shine." was the response I was given whenI |
| LParisi | said we did the lesson today and the kids were ready to respond. |
| LParisi | This is a VT for the whole school. |
| LParisi | So my husband says do this faculty meeting and then back off. When they want to learn how to do something say I don't know. |
| LParisi | When someone asks for help say I don't know how. |
| LParisi | We'll see how much every shines. |
| LParisi | everyone |
| cleisure | says | I know how you feel. My old building was like that. The only difference was the staff told me to stop using tech because I was "making them |
| cleisure | says | look bad" |
| cleisure | says | I am sorry that is happening to you.  |
| JackieB | I'm sorry. Did you talk to admin regarding how you felt about this? |
| LParisi | It is the admin telling me this. |
| cleisure | says | is training teachers part of your job...do you get PAID for it? |
| LParisi | Sometimes...usually no. |
| Gramma Annie! | No, no, no! No backing off allowed! You cannot let them win! They need to see your expertise and the students' successes. You are waaaaaaay |
| Gramma Annie! | to good for this to be happening to you! |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | Don't back off, but keep doing what you are doing. I already told you that you and I are a lot alike..but look what I am doing. |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | I am concentrating on my own students and giving everything to them. Then, all of the sudden, people are coming to me. It's not the |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | principal...it's people higher up..it will work out, I have confidence in you thaty |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | you'll keep doing it for the kids. It hurts, but it will work out. |
| Gramma Annie! | I agree with stacy, work for yourself and your students. Backing off hurts too many! |
| cfox2 | says | I agree. Think about your students and what is best for them. They are blossoming in your room...keep going. |
| LParisi | I won't back off from my students. But when another teacher asks for help, I am going to start saying no. |
| dmcordell | says | Sorry, I disagree. Use the tools for your students, yes, but don't deliberately "dumb down" in public to stroke other people's egos. |
| LParisi | So no to the teacher who needed help this morning with a survey, no to the one I helped Thursday with a wiki, no to my plans on Friday to |
| LParisi | work on Smartboard stuff with another. No, no, no. |
| LParisi | Isn't that what I am being asked to do, Diane? Exactly that? |
| dmcordell | says | Sounds like it, Lisa. And when they "create" something, who will get the credit, the money for conferences, the kudos? |
| cleisure | says | in a way, yes...that is what admin is asking of you. |
| Gramma Annie! | Please don't let up. By helping the other teachers you are reaching their students. It's all about the students, admin is forgetting that. |
| Alica | says | I find this very disturbing - and confusing. I guess each setting is different. The more I figure out and do (and what I do is minimal |
| Alica | says | compared to what a lot of you are doing) the more the other teachers are curious and ask for help doing some of the same things. Principal |
| Alica | says | is just thrilled we're integrating technology effectively. Don't understand the "shine" thing, I guess. I just want the kids to shine. |
| paulbogush | says | Before I comment...is the principal male? |
| Gramma Annie! | paulbogush: Good question! Obviously the principal is feeling threatened... |
| paulbogush | says | Not all at what I was implying..I just know that males communicate very differently. I read his words and get a TOTALLY different message. |
| Teryl | says | ...was other teachers feeling intimidated for some reason, blah, blah, blah. I try and share everything I know w/those who are interested.. |
| Teryl | says | ...but kept getting a "you're trying to show off" vibe. It is very confusing. I feel better this year, but still not great...new admin.. |
| paulbogush | says | I don't mean what I just wrote--I should have said that his words could have had a TOTALLY different meaning but because... |
| Teryl | says | ...told me @ the first of the year people don't care what you know until they know you care, & some people @ your old school r glad u r gone |
| Teryl | says | ...so bottomline, I still don't know what to think. |
| Shoemap | says | I'm so sad to read this. Must be frustrating. I do not get your admin.  |
| MaryannM | shares | www.fablevision.com/northstar/ be sure to keep shining-there's room for everyone to shine, whether they're a big star or a small star. |
| bbelardi | says | I've gone through the same thing...BUT, YOU need to keep shining, so all of us have a light to "go to."  |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | I would like to hear the male's POV about this. Why would a principal tell someone to let others shine? Maybe because they went to her/him |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | and said they felt they couldn't do anything because "stacy" always does it better. I don't have to learn this because I can get "stacy" to |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | do it. And, Lisa, I have a feeling you'll say no this week, but will be right back at it in a day or two helping people. It's part of our |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | spirit |
| Gramma Annie! | @ stacy, thank you so much for sharing your perspective and experiences. It helps so much to know when one is not alone. |
| LParisi | Paul, my new principal is female, and when she came in she came all gung-ho to move tech into the classrooms |
| LParisi | And she asked for my help. Then backed off and told me to let others shine. |
| LParisi | was | just told this again today. I am so sad. I don't want to go to work anymore. |
| Gramma Annie! | I feel so for you Lisa. |
| Gramma Annie! | teryl I am sorry you had to endure this. |
| cleisure | says | oh, Lisa. Go to work for the kids. You are AMAZING and you are giving your students a gift. |
| Susan | says | I am sorry this is happening to you. |
| cleisure | says | but I do know how you feel. I have lived through it, too. |
| LoriB | says | try to think about what makes you passionate about your job and then focus on that. |
| LParisi | And I am also so sad about how many of you have been through something so similar. What is wrong with people? |
| cleisure | says | they don't buy into collaboration and shared learning. |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | Sometimes one likes foolish people for their folly, better than wise people for their wisdom. |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | — Elizabeth Gaskell |
| Gramma Annie! | lisa, do what you have to do for yourself right now. Let your feelings rant until you are ready to make your decision & act on it. |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | I just found that quote...do you think it was sent to me for a reason? Lisa..keep going...for the kids and for yourself...the principal is |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | obviously threatened by you and by what others are saying to you. Keep doing what you feel is right 4 you. It's funny...my dad always says |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | for me not to fight against these things...my mom says why should I back down and lower my standards? I tend to be more like my mom...but |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | then we both are givers...and do get hurt in the process. Last week I was told my expectations of people was too high...sorry..I live what I |
| 1/2012☆ stacy | says | was taught and what I believe. |
| Gramma Annie! | I just got one, too that I want to share: |
| Gramma Annie! | A few of the human angels we may encounter are in professions where helping others is an everyday occurrence. |
| Gramma Annie! | But most of them are regular people, going about their daily lives until called upon to be in the right place at the right time |
| Gramma Annie! | You may have met a human angel in the form of a teacher who gave you a piece of advice that touched your soul and influenced your path. |
| Gramma Annie! | Lisa, this is you!!!!! and you, @ stacy, and @ teryl...all of you!!!! Angels, you are! Angels. |
| Gramma Annie! | teryl_magee: I'm so glad you kept up with it for the kids! |
| lorisheldon | I have popped in to several of your pd sessions via ustream, you have so much to offer, pull back for a while if YOU feel that's what you |
| lorisheldon | need to do, be true to yourself, it will work itself out |
| roswellsgirl | I think that teachers all work hard and when they see someone "shining brighter" they are afraid it means they have to work even harder. Sad |
| roswellsgirl | I say you help if asked. Keep doing great things in class. And keep sharing w/ the world outside your school. |
| roswellsgirl | You like to share... keep sharing. |
| GingerLewman | says | One thing you could do, if asked 2 present again, or even b4, is let the admin know which teacher is coming along. Ask THAT tchr 2 present. |
| pelgin | says | In the past, I had a principal who was sooo supportive. I was in the classroom but, like you, helped anyone else I could. I felt appreciated |
| pelgin | says | In this job, I don't feel that degree of support. It was tough for a long time....finally decided I had to do what was right for me |
| pelgin | says | I completely understand what you're going through and hope you work things out for the best for both your students and for you! |
| trossman1 | says | this is absolutely disheartening, yet I am glad I'm not alone. |
| mindelei | says | I don't even know what to say. I'm sorry that your admin is playing these kind of games. |
| elemitrt | says | sometimes there are things going on that you can't see when you are really close to a situation. While I don't think this has anything to do |
| elemitrt | says | with you, I'm wondering if you are getting tangled up in an undercurrent somehow. I wonder if you could take a step back and view the |
| elemitrt | says | situation as an unbiased observer. I bet maybe you could see your princpal's and other teachers' fears that way |
| elemitrt | says | and it might help you to get out of the tangled mess... |
| elemitrt | says | whether you can do that or not, it's a horrible situation to be in..and I'm feeling so much compassion for you!  |
| dmcordell | says | Do they tell the students not to shine? |
| Loonyhiker | says | i wouldn't say no outright but say i wish i could help you but the admin wants me to back off |
| Loonyhiker | says | so they know it isn't you but the admin causing the probs |
| atprovider | says | I just started reading TEACH LIKE YOUR HAIRS ON FIRE- and the opening will give you the courage to get through this |
| atprovider | says | don't let these people "dip from your bucket" |
| mhobkirk | says | You have to be you....and if that means shining....then shine as bright as possible! |
| gkat | says | it seems to me that it is you who has brought out the teachers' interest in wikis etc. If they ask for help you will be reaching their |
| gkat | says | students and it sounds like they appreciate you or they wouldn't ask for help. Keep going. |
| pelgin | says | Let us know how your day goes today. Sure hope things look a little brighter for you! |
| cleisure | says | how were things today, Lisa? |
| LParisi | Thanks for asking. I spoke to my principal. She said it was a big misunderstanding. Said she was saying she wants to know |
| LParisi | how to get others to shine without it always being up to me. Wants to not have to take advantage of me all the time when I have another |
| LParisi | job to do. |
| LParisi | Well, I feel that at least she heard how I was feeling. |
| JackieB | I'm so glad you were able to speak to her about it - AND that she heard you. |
| bookjewel | is | dumbstruck! What is wrong with these people??? |
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