patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 03:15AM he needs to do it clear from the youtube "crap". He can't appear more partisan than he already does.
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 03:16AM i know, huh? is he trying to be some social media guru or something? keep it professional, obama.
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 03:18AM I think the idea is great, why Bush didnt do video just shows how out of touch he is.
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 03:19AM I'd like to think the incoming president could afford the bandwidth of a decent content delivery network lol
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 03:23AM i'm pretty sure there's a grand left from the campaign money. he could use that.
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 03:23AM I don't think he should directly do it... he should do it from his site. Google/YouTube is a private company, the govt shouldn't use it...
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 03:23AM plus if you can waste all that money in iraq. can't you spend a few hundred dollars for hosting? lol
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 03:24AM Campaigning on youtube is fine... he's prez, he really should continue being presidential and remain in govt stuff... lol
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:35AM Obama is to date still only a Senator and even then he is a private citizen and therefore free to use all the resources that any private
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:36AM citizen can use. He uses YouTube because it's popular and he knows people will watch things on YouTube they won't watch on a government site
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 05:47AM oh im sorry, he HANDED IT in the other day, doesnt take effect until tomorrow
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 05:48AM regardless, i wouldnt classify anyone with Secret Service protection a private citizen.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:53AM well of course I'm just going by official classifications. i'm not smart enough to make up my own.
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 05:56AM I hope he makes the video available for anyone to download and monetize. Because there was an ad when I just saw the vid.
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 05:56AM Point is, Google is still a private company, he is president-elect... this is not gelling well... it was fine when he was campaigning.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 06:25AM he's using a service, the same way we all use plurk, twitter, etc. Here's the thing: with the economy in the crisis it's in, should that
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 06:27AM neither is he, at the moment. in any case, he's entitled to use free services the same as anyone. i personally think it's a brilliant idea
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 06:28AM to use social networking as he has used twitter, linkedin, youtube, etc. this makes him much more accessible to the average person.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 06:29AM if he were using official government sites for his videos we wouldn't be able to leave comments and discuss and rate them, would we?
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 06:29AM I think its a brilliant idea too, just not youtube, or any private company. Would you have liked if he used paypal during fundraising?
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 06:31AM I dont mind the videos being on youtube, I do mind that its being primarily linked to him.
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 06:32AM @ classicalgeek: do you think that obama is going to check the comments, messages, etc?
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 06:33AM @ classicalgeek: well you can't leave a comment anyway since its disabled.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:51PM look, this is participatory democracy at its best. did you know that EVERY new bill is going to be posted in its entirety on the white house
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:51PM web site and left there open for comment and discussion for five days before Mr. Obama signs it?
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:52PM and no, Mr. Obama won't read every comment personally. however, one of his staffers will, and they'll take what in their judgment are the
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 05:53PM best comments and those ideas WILL percolate up to the president's office, if his work on the HLR is anything to judge him by.
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 05:59PM That's a really way to think. I do think Obama is making some terrific promises, and I like transparency in government.
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 06:00PM However, he will be lucky if he can pull off 1% of what he wants to.
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 06:01PM Having all bills displayed on the White House site is great, but like I said, thats were it belongs, not on youtube.
patricksweeney says Nov 16, 2008 06:01PM Serving his videos is paramount to donating to him; its money he isn't spending.
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 06:23PM I agree with patrick. He has a lot of supporters, if they want to download the vids from whitehouse.gov and place it on youtube, perfect.
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 06:24PM But for him to be responsible for the videos on youtube, not perfect.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:23PM well i disagree but then i'm probably older than all of you put together lol.
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 07:35PM @ classicalgeek: is it transparency? or is it just another method to sell? it might just be a distraction.
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 07:36PM so obama's going to let people comment on bills. okay did you ever read the comments on youtube? that should tell you what kind of people...
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 07:37PM are online. there's more trolls and idiots than brainiacs. or at least the average joe.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:38PM true, which is why the President won't read them himself. but as people begin to get accustomed to the idea that they are responsible for
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:39PM government in many more ways than simply voting, we will see fundamental changes in the way both people and governments operate. it won't be
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 07:39PM i guess the secret service will have to work overtime from now on. lol
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 07:39PM btw, here's another article about this from my bud, allen stern: www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/11/obama_says_yes.html
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:40PM immediate and there will be plenty of trolls and such but the change is coming and has been for a number of years.
th13rteen says Nov 16, 2008 07:40PM well i like the idea of people commenting and discussing over bills and stuff. but they should do it on change.gov. not any private site.
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:43PM i see he's disabled comments as well. the fact is, people are used to youtube, that is where they go, and this is part of Obama's method of
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:43PM operation, is to go where the people already are. that's why he had ground offices in all 50 states, that's how he got his message across
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:44PM to the people, and the fact is that it's smart to continue to do what works. if he puts videos on whitehouse.gov he's just not going to get
classicalgeek says Nov 16, 2008 07:45PM as many viewers as he will on youtube. because youtube is where people go to watch videos, just as you don't buy groceries from your
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 07:47PM Yeah, classicalgeek is right... youtube is where people would see the vids, it will still be there whether he chooses to directly use it...
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 07:48PM ... or not. Youtube is still a private company. And Obama is no longer a private individual... just saying, its partiality.
psaffire says Nov 16, 2008 07:49PM Things like this have happened in history when the gov't favors a private company. Like the bell company and the railroads...
Arron says Nov 16, 2008 08:35PM I thought it was just simple numbers. I've only gone to change.gov, like, twice this week. I go to YouTube about 10 times a day.
classicalgeek says Nov 17, 2008 09:45PM yes, and his suits come from a private company, the white house limo comes from a private company, the food they eat at the white house
classicalgeek says Nov 17, 2008 09:45PM comes from a private company, the telephone service they use is from a private company, the schoolbooks their girls will use comes from a
classicalgeek says Nov 17, 2008 09:46PM private company. oh, wait, google is a public company, lol. so are most of the others.
psaffire says Nov 18, 2008 02:50AM Its still an unfair advantage to the competitors of youtube. We apparently don't know the name of the limo or telephone company they use.
Arron says Nov 18, 2008 02:56AM It's not like Obama using YouTube lends it any kind of extra credibility it didn't already have.
Arron says Nov 18, 2008 02:56AM I'm more concerned that they'll take away his BlackBerry once he gets in the white house.
psaffire says Nov 18, 2008 03:18AM Actually, he is the president of united states, so yes, it does lend youtube extra credibility. This favoritism has nothing to do with...
psaffire says Nov 18, 2008 03:19AM ...capitalism. It does lead to monopoly, which is a capitalistic effect.
Arron says Nov 18, 2008 03:20AM Meaning, its impossible to make the situation worse -- even /if/ Obama uses it, because YouTube is /already/ mainstream stuff.
psaffire says Nov 18, 2008 03:30AM *sighs* I haven't taken enough history to debate this. Tech is in baby years, that's why we (i.e *you*) can't see anything wrong with this.
psaffire says Nov 18, 2008 03:30AM Standard Oil (Rockefeller), JP Morgan and govt... do some readings on those.
psaffire says Nov 18, 2008 03:31AM If he is taking an effort for it to be on youtube, he should also take an effort for it to be on vimeo, and other nameless sites.
classicalgeek has Nov 18, 2008 06:56AM studied **plenty** of history, including economic history, and in 20 years it will be like he never picked any one channel at all. Fads,
classicalgeek thinks Nov 18, 2008 06:56AM companies, and Presidents come and go every few years and her guess is that in 3 years YouTube will be irrelevant.
classicalgeek says Nov 18, 2008 06:57AM oh and btw Cadillac makes the Presidential limo, I did know that
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