Codie is FUCKING PISSED!!! blog.secondlife.com/2008/10/27/openspace-pricing-and-policy-changes/

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  October 28, 2008 at 03:17 Beck Yep... -.- *sighs*
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:17 Beck There goes my plan to buy an OSS.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:18 neenee What I find unfair is that this is a regressive policy that affects people who were using their openspace sims according to the rules. BOOO
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:18 doveswanson says What they should do is just take it over. Sell open spaces out right, with no liability to themselves if people abuse them.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:18 Codie i have to raise the rent for all my renters, since i was charging the cost. some of them may just abandon it.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:18 Codie im fucking furious. bad move.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:18 doveswanson says They would get the monies people would pay to upgrade accounts, plus the full buy price/tier.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:19 Codie 65% more? this is insane. i think LL is waiting for the public flak to give us a smaller raise.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:19 Annyka says I dont even own or intend to own one and it still pisses me off to no end
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:20 Codie could someone tell LL that their marketing departement is fucking moronic?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:20 doveswanson says
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:24 Jessyka Grr, this is retarded! I'm cool with them adding stuff to the viewer to let you know if you're on an OS, but I've not had any problem with
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:24 Jessyka being on an OS. If someone is paying for it, let them do what they want with it! They want SL to be for everyone, but even more so it's only
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:25 Jessyka 'everyone who can afford it'. The old OS price was reasonable for a regular person like me who might want something to play with, but
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:25 Codie my problems are:
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:25 Codie penalizing every rightful openspace sim owner with an overinflated tiers because of a few abusers
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:25 Dazz says This move is going to be an EPIC FAIL!
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:26 Jessyka because other people fucked it up, I can't be creative. :[ Guess I'm going to have to start looking into getting on *GASP* THE OPEN GRID
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:26 Codie service fees should go DOWN as volume increases, not UP
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Codie even if they did a price raise, okay, but not on the back of the actual owners
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Voshie they really are bastards...and the fact that there's no grandfather clause is ridiculous...they had it for full sims when prices changed...
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Jessyka Why not MONITOR who's doing this and deal with them individually?! OH I KNOW WHY LL WANTS MONEY LOL
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Codie and another thing
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Luth has seen a lot of listings for renting out openspace sims at the regular $295 sim cost.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 ♣Saiyge♣ says There goes balderdash and oubliette.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Codie it baffles me they have no actual tool to track sim usage and SANDBOX it. jesus fucking christ!!
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:27 Voshie and the thing is, esp in this economy people -can't- afford to pay more, but they are more than likely losing money *sighs* assholes
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:28 jjacek asks Why don't they just offer a sim priced between openspace and full sim? There's obviously demand.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:30 Nexeus says But Codie, Open Sims weren't ment for renting to begin with.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:30 Kristi Rudd is confused...why did they do this? What are people doing to abuse it?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:31 doveswanson says putting homes/shops/anything they want on them Kristi.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:32 jjacek says Yeah. Loading up scripted things. And using the prims that LL gave them.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:35 Codie yeah they are not made for having your house on it! like WTF are they supposed to be used for Nex??? farming???
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:37 Nexeus says codie Not saying that they weren't meant to be used for a person's house - what I'm saying is this
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:38 Nexeus says codie they weren't meant to be renting sims, light use, scenary, if someone wanted to live on it, sure
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:38 Nexeus says codie but not meant to be used/rented/access like a regular sim such as having a TON of scripts on it
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:38 Nexeus says codie or having a TON of prims on it.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:38 doveswanson says https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4235
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:39 doveswanson says Not that I wasn't planning on dumping my shop on one too. Fuckinfuckers.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:39 doveswanson says but I feel especially bad for the people who were using them for their intended purpose.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:39 Dazz says well, if its any consolation, the user community is letting jack have it over on the forums. People are righteously pissed off.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:39 doveswanson says I still think LL should just cut out the middle man - sell them outright themselves - then they gain the membership fee plus full buy/tier.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:40 Dazz says they do need something better than mainland and less expensive than a full sim. They are dolts to not provide it.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:41 Jessyka Honestly, what does it matter what I use it for?! If I have a hundred scripts and it lags, that's my fault. If you know this can be an...
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:41 Dazz says How many businesses survive by NOT giving the customers what they are asking for and pissing them off instead?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:41 Jessyka ...issue before moving in, what's the big deal? And I don't see why you couldn't have a shop, even. Vendors don't need to be scripted.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:41 Jessyka Honestly, I hate scripted vendors anyway. >:[
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:42 doveswanson says I think the issue is that they're on shared servers? So if you lag yuor open space to death, you are technically lagging everyone lse too.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:43 jjacek says jessykarichard: the problem is it also affects the other 3 sims that are sharing the same processor as you :\
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:43 doveswanson says I wish this would provoke them to offer an inbetweenee. I'll never afford a full.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:43 Codie normal sims too Dove! they are 4 sims on a normal quadcore machine so 1 sim per CPU but its balanced.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:45 jjacek says They definitely need more options. Where are the sims that are 3 per CPU, or 2 per CPU?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:46 Dazz says Even if the vendors ARE scripted, they are generally dormant until somebody touches them. Most aren't listening for customers on the chat
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:46 Dazz says channels for somebody to buy something.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:48 Jessyka I bounced this off my non SL using boyfriend and he thinks this: LL is going to raise their prices. They'll probably come out with some...
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:48 Dazz says Its not rocket science either to allot a 25% timeslice to each openspace sim and limit the bandwidth it consumes.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:48 Jessyka ...sort of middle ground sim, but the price will be more than the OS price because, honestly, what can we do about it?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:50 Jessyka LL are a bunch of cyberbullies. I'm feeling threatened! People have sued over stuff like this before, right?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:52 Annyka says what's the difference between overloading an open space sim and overloading a normal quarter sim?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:53 Codie TOTALLY approves with Dazz. GEEZ guys run them in Xen VMs whatever! its no excuse to penalize everyone.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:53 Codie theres NO difference! if im not mistaken its like 4 regular Class 5 on a quad core machine.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:54 Annyka says then I really dont get it
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:54 doveswanson says It'd only be smart if this did pop out a middle-ground sim. I mean business wise for them anyway.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:54 paticake says Nothing against any of the lovely people here, but why are you all so surprised at LL's continuing douchebaggery?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:54 Annyka says and if they were really only intended for scenic use, then why did they raise the prim limit to 3750?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:55 Codie im not Pati really LOL but this is pushing the insult a little too far.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:56 Aimeethyst the total resource usage of 4 openspaces will inevitably be higher than 1 normal as the there will be a certain fixed resource overhead for
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:56 Sakuradawn says I'm with Dove, I wish they would come up with something inbetween Open Space and Full sim. I will never be able to get one either.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:57 Aimeethyst any region regardless of type, the physics engine for example.
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:57 doveswanson says good question Annyka - maybe a bit of bait and switch?
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:57 paticake says It makes me wonder what kind of financial trouble they're in. A desperate grab for $$ in a bad economy? They've monetarily fucked up somehow
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  October 28, 2008 at 03:59 Annyka says if they think this move will bring them more money, theyz stupid
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:00 Annyka says i can kind of understand that this is a price correction, and maybe this is the price they should've been from the start...
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:00 doveswanson says STOOPID.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:01 berta! lets start a petition!!
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:01 Annyka says but to just dump that big of a price hike on people....at a time when the stock market is in a freefall and the economy is in such bad shape
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:02 Annyka says makes no sense at all
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:04 Dazz says Oh Hai, I'm from Linden Motors. You can get a moving truck or 4 vans for the same price. The vans don't hold as much...
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:05 Dazz says OMFG! You people are hauling shit in the vans. Fuck that! 4 Vans are gonna cost you a lot more than the moving truck.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:06 doveswanson says
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:10 Moggs says See also Massively Daily News: Linden Lab changes pricing/policy on void simulators
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:10 Jessyka Don't forget that the vans get better gas mileage and they're a lot easier to drive for the average driver.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:15 Dazz says the vans are a very attractive alternative for me and my friends because we don't have a lot of money.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:16 Dazz says But stupid us. We aren't supposed to put whatever we want in them. Only what Linden Motors says we can.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:17 Washu Omg I just bought 3 of these damn things
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:19 Aimeethyst it's more like selling you a full size moving truck with a van engine, and then expecting you to not put more in it than you would the van.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:20 Ketsy I has never even heard of OS before tonight, LL never fails to baffle and piss off just about everyone with every decision they make!
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:26 Washu Oh wtf what am I going to do? I saw nowhere when we got these that they were supposed to be scenic only.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:27 Washu I cant afford double the price for the same prims, I use it as a sandbox to make hair. :/
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:29 Dazz says There is a great hue and cry throughout the land. I don't see how this will stand.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:30 Dazz says with the exception of a few thumbing their noses and chanting nanner nanner nanner, this idea is going over like a lead balloon.
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:33 Washu I'm going to wait and see if LL will offer anything for people who literally just bought some open sims
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:33 Washu I should demand a refund! :|
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:34 Washu Srsly, $750 down the toilet
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  October 28, 2008 at 04:34 Washu They said they were for "general light use" that is very vague and open to interpretation.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:09 Dazz says to me 'light use' can be interpreted as a simple residence as compared to say, a highly scripted club or something.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:10 Dazz says look around at the map. Most of these sims are vacant most of the time. If they indeed had a technical reason for this
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:10 Annyka says you would think that
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:10 Dazz says it would be fairly easy to solve. We've been allocating CPU time for users at least since the late 1960's and possibly even before that.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:10 Annyka says you would think that "light use" meant whatever you could do within the 3750 prim limit
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:11 Dazz says I know this first-hand because I've been in the business since 1977. This is nuts.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:11 nytevargas opensims will be combined to make one big sim for the with lots..sales will slow for sims both open and regular and welcome to the mainland
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:11 nytevargas land market crashes in sl because ll got crazy
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:11 Dazz says That's my feeling too Annyka.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:11 nytevargas then they prolly wil raise tier fees as the next move and put out a survey to try and find out why no one can afford land
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:12 Dazz says lol. I won't do mainland anymore. I've been burned 3 times now by bad neighbors after investing lots of hours on my builds.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:15 Ketsy How much of a mall can you build with 3000 Prims? Srsly... Would be one hella ugly place. Wait, now I get it! Those BIAB things?
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:26 Aisuru megaprims
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:38 Ketsy well, megaprims are still really hard to build with, have all those weird physics, not sure that would change the usage on a server
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:42 Aisuru nevertheless, they are widely used, especially on Openspaces, trying to make up for lack of prims.
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:51 Cajsa wonders if MDR can absorb that much increase?
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  October 28, 2008 at 05:59 Ketsy are you on OS?
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  October 28, 2008 at 06:03 Codie here goes our new home slsailing.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11640#11640
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  October 28, 2008 at 06:08 Bibe says im going to lose the spa
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  October 28, 2008 at 06:36 Loaf says Damn, knew I should have just stayed in bed today *Watches the dream of sim ownership slip out of reach*
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:37 Ordinal says Well *that* makes an awful lot of sense. If one's aim is to cause the maximum possible annoyance with one's customers. And whose isn't?
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:46 Shir says oh wow i wake up and isnt this surprising - LL has done it again what i wonder about is what happens to the excessive amount of openspace>
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:46 Shir says sims that people cant uphold anymore. flood the market with them? and will anyone buy them? i doubt
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:47 Shir says it will surely stabilize at some point soon but the imminent effect will be quite interesting. and yes i cant help to dream about a takeover
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:47 Codie what bothers me the most i think is the non-Grandfathering clause. i can understand an ajustment but not for already owned sims.
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:48 Shir says of SL by some company who actually understands what customer-provider relationships are about
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  October 28, 2008 at 07:48 Shir says yes and that is actually the worst part - that people who have never agreed to pay such sums are now facing the music and cant help it
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  October 28, 2008 at 08:03 Ordinal says I can understand the non-grandfathering, even if it is nasty, but doubling prims first? Incompetence or bait and switch?
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  October 28, 2008 at 08:03 Ordinal says "People use OpenSpaces for more than just looking at" is hardly *news*.
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  October 28, 2008 at 08:27 Codie agrees. take the double prims out! they will avoid abusively complex builds.
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  October 28, 2008 at 08:28 Codie im going to bed, calmed down but not happy. im sure a lot of us will have their 2 cents for LL in the next days. nini <3
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  October 28, 2008 at 10:17 RaR says suicide for SL rezzable.com/blog/rightasrain-rimbaud/linden-labs-betrays-consumer-market
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  October 28, 2008 at 12:32 NightDrifter sounds familiar....I don't use SL....but get em hooked and then raise the price.....whatever happened to good customer realations anyway...
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  October 28, 2008 at 12:32 NightDrifter ...seems to be mostly obsolete in this day and age
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  October 28, 2008 at 13:04 Moggs asks you to submit your Open Space pictures to this flickr group - isfullofcrap's brainchild.
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  October 28, 2008 at 13:13 Vint says add photo's to the OpenSpace Flickr pool, or other action ideas here www.plurk.com/p/6mxf1
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  October 28, 2008 at 13:31 Daniel Voyager says