| CENSORED | is | FUCKING PISSED!!! blog.secondlife.com/2008/10/27/openspace-pricing-and-policy-changes/ |
Oct 28, 2008 -
03:14AM
| CENSORED | is | FUCKING PISSED!!! blog.secondlife.com/2008/10/27/openspace-pricing-and-policy-changes/ |
| neenee | What I find unfair is that this is a regressive policy that affects people who were using their openspace sims according to the rules. BOOO |
| CENSORED | i have to raise the rent for all my renters, since i was charging the cost. some of them may just abandon it. |
| CENSORED | im fucking furious. bad move. |
| CENSORED | 65% more? this is insane. i think LL is waiting for the public flak to give us a smaller raise. |
| Annyka | says | I dont even own or intend to own one and it still pisses me off to no end |
| CENSORED | could someone tell LL that their marketing departement is fucking moronic? |
| Jessyka | Grr, this is retarded! I'm cool with them adding stuff to the viewer to let you know if you're on an OS, but I've not had any problem with |
| Jessyka | being on an OS. If someone is paying for it, let them do what they want with it! They want SL to be for everyone, but even more so it's only |
| Jessyka | 'everyone who can afford it'. The old OS price was reasonable for a regular person like me who might want something to play with, but |
| CENSORED | my problems are: |
| CENSORED | penalizing every rightful openspace sim owner with an overinflated tiers because of a few abusers |
| Dazz | says | This move is going to be an EPIC FAIL! |
| Jessyka | because other people fucked it up, I can't be creative. :[ Guess I'm going to have to start looking into getting on *GASP* THE OPEN GRID |
| CENSORED | service fees should go DOWN as volume increases, not UP |
| CENSORED | even if they did a price raise, okay, but not on the back of the actual owners |
| Voshie | they really are bastards...and the fact that there's no grandfather clause is ridiculous...they had it for full sims when prices changed... |
| Jessyka | Why not MONITOR who's doing this and deal with them individually?! OH I KNOW WHY LL WANTS MONEY LOL |
| CENSORED | and another thing |
| Only Zuul | says | There goes balderdash and oubliette. |
| CENSORED | it baffles me they have no actual tool to track sim usage and SANDBOX it. jesus fucking christ!! |
| Voshie | and the thing is, esp in this economy people -can't- afford to pay more, but they are more than likely losing money *sighs* assholes |
| jjacek | asks | Why don't they just offer a sim priced between openspace and full sim? There's obviously demand. |
| Nexeus | says | But Codie, Open Sims weren't ment for renting to begin with. |
| Kristi Maurer | is | confused...why did they do this? What are people doing to abuse it? |
| jjacek | says | Yeah. Loading up scripted things. And using the prims that LL gave them.  |
| CENSORED | yeah they are not made for having your house on it! like WTF are they supposed to be used for Nex??? farming??? |
| Dazz | says | well, if its any consolation, the user community is letting jack have it over on the forums. People are righteously pissed off. |
| Dazz | says | they do need something better than mainland and less expensive than a full sim. They are dolts to not provide it. |
| Jessyka | Honestly, what does it matter what I use it for?! If I have a hundred scripts and it lags, that's my fault. If you know this can be an... |
| Dazz | says | How many businesses survive by NOT giving the customers what they are asking for and pissing them off instead? |
| Jessyka | ...issue before moving in, what's the big deal? And I don't see why you couldn't have a shop, even. Vendors don't need to be scripted. |
| Jessyka | Honestly, I hate scripted vendors anyway. >:[ |
| jjacek | says | jessykarichard: the problem is it also affects the other 3 sims that are sharing the same processor as you :\ |
| CENSORED | normal sims too Dove! they are 4 sims on a normal quadcore machine so 1 sim per CPU but its balanced. |
| jjacek | says | They definitely need more options. Where are the sims that are 3 per CPU, or 2 per CPU? |
| Dazz | says | Even if the vendors ARE scripted, they are generally dormant until somebody touches them. Most aren't listening for customers on the chat |
| Dazz | says | channels for somebody to buy something. |
| Jessyka | I bounced this off my non SL using boyfriend and he thinks this: LL is going to raise their prices. They'll probably come out with some... |
| Dazz | says | Its not rocket science either to allot a 25% timeslice to each openspace sim and limit the bandwidth it consumes. |
| Jessyka | ...sort of middle ground sim, but the price will be more than the OS price because, honestly, what can we do about it? |
| Jessyka | LL are a bunch of cyberbullies. I'm feeling threatened! People have sued over stuff like this before, right? |
| Annyka | says | what's the difference between overloading an open space sim and overloading a normal quarter sim? |
| CENSORED | TOTALLY approves with Dazz. GEEZ guys run them in Xen VMs whatever! its no excuse to penalize everyone. |
| CENSORED | theres NO difference! if im not mistaken its like 4 regular Class 5 on a quad core machine. |
| Annyka | says | then I really dont get it |
| Paticake | says | Nothing against any of the lovely people here, but why are you all so surprised at LL's continuing douchebaggery? |
| Annyka | says | and if they were really only intended for scenic use, then why did they raise the prim limit to 3750? |
| CENSORED | im not Pati really LOL but this is pushing the insult a little too far. |
| ʇsʎɥʇǝǝɯıɐ | the total resource usage of 4 openspaces will inevitably be higher than 1 normal as the there will be a certain fixed resource overhead for |
| ʇsʎɥʇǝǝɯıɐ | any region regardless of type, the physics engine for example. |
| Paticake | says | It makes me wonder what kind of financial trouble they're in. A desperate grab for $$ in a bad economy? They've monetarily fucked up somehow |
| Annyka | says | if they think this move will bring them more money, theyz stupid |
| Annyka | says | i can kind of understand that this is a price correction, and maybe this is the price they should've been from the start... |
| berta! | lets start a petition!! |
| Annyka | says | but to just dump that big of a price hike on people....at a time when the stock market is in a freefall and the economy is in such bad shape |
| Annyka | says | makes no sense at all |
| Dazz | says | Oh Hai, I'm from Linden Motors. You can get a moving truck or 4 vans for the same price. The vans don't hold as much... |
| Dazz | says | OMFG! You people are hauling shit in the vans. Fuck that! 4 Vans are gonna cost you a lot more than the moving truck. |
| Moggs | says | See also Massively Daily News: Linden Lab changes pricing/policy on void simulators |
| Jessyka | Don't forget that the vans get better gas mileage and they're a lot easier to drive for the average driver. |
| Dazz | says | the vans are a very attractive alternative for me and my friends because we don't have a lot of money. |
| Dazz | says | But stupid us. We aren't supposed to put whatever we want in them. Only what Linden Motors says we can. |
| Washu | Omg I just bought 3 of these damn things  |
| ʇsʎɥʇǝǝɯıɐ | it's more like selling you a full size moving truck with a van engine, and then expecting you to not put more in it than you would the van. |
| Ketsy | I has never even heard of OS before tonight, LL never fails to baffle and piss off just about everyone with every decision they make! |
| Washu | Oh wtf what am I going to do? I saw nowhere when we got these that they were supposed to be scenic only. |
| Washu | I cant afford double the price for the same prims, I use it as a sandbox to make hair. :/ |
| Dazz | says | There is a great hue and cry throughout the land. I don't see how this will stand. |
| Dazz | says | with the exception of a few thumbing their noses and chanting nanner nanner nanner, this idea is going over like a lead balloon. |
| Washu | I'm going to wait and see if LL will offer anything for people who literally just bought some open sims |
| Washu | I should demand a refund! :| |
| Washu | Srsly, $750 down the toilet |
| Washu | They said they were for "general light use" that is very vague and open to interpretation. |
| Dazz | says | to me 'light use' can be interpreted as a simple residence as compared to say, a highly scripted club or something. |
| Dazz | says | look around at the map. Most of these sims are vacant most of the time. If they indeed had a technical reason for this |
| Annyka | says | you would think that |
| Dazz | says | it would be fairly easy to solve. We've been allocating CPU time for users at least since the late 1960's and possibly even before that. |
| Annyka | says | you would think that "light use" meant whatever you could do within the 3750 prim limit |
| Dazz | says | I know this first-hand because I've been in the business since 1977. This is nuts. |
| Nyte Vargas | opensims will be combined to make one big sim for the with lots..sales will slow for sims both open and regular and welcome to the mainland |
| Nyte Vargas | land market crashes in sl because ll got crazy |
| Dazz | says | That's my feeling too Annyka. |
| Nyte Vargas | then they prolly wil raise tier fees as the next move and put out a survey to try and find out why no one can afford land |
| Dazz | says | lol. I won't do mainland anymore. I've been burned 3 times now by bad neighbors after investing lots of hours on my builds. |
| Ketsy | How much of a mall can you build with 3000 Prims? Srsly... Would be one hella ugly place. Wait, now I get it! Those BIAB things? |
| Aisuru | megaprims |
| Ketsy | well, megaprims are still really hard to build with, have all those weird physics, not sure that would change the usage on a server |
| Aisuru | nevertheless, they are widely used, especially on Openspaces, trying to make up for lack of prims. |
| Cajsa or Oscar | wonders | if MDR can absorb that much increase? |
| Ketsy | are you on OS? |
| CENSORED | here goes our new home slsailing.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11640#11640 |
| Bibe | says | im going to lose the spa  |
| Loaf | says | Damn, knew I should have just stayed in bed today *Watches the dream of sim ownership slip out of reach* |
| Ordinal | says | Well *that* makes an awful lot of sense. If one's aim is to cause the maximum possible annoyance with one's customers. And whose isn't? |
| Shir | says | oh wow i wake up and isnt this surprising - LL has done it again what i wonder about is what happens to the excessive amount of openspace> |
| Shir | says | sims that people cant uphold anymore. flood the market with them? and will anyone buy them? i doubt |
| Shir | says | it will surely stabilize at some point soon but the imminent effect will be quite interesting. and yes i cant help to dream about a takeover |
| CENSORED | what bothers me the most i think is the non-Grandfathering clause. i can understand an ajustment but not for already owned sims. |
| Shir | says | of SL by some company who actually understands what customer-provider relationships are about |
| Shir | says | yes and that is actually the worst part - that people who have never agreed to pay such sums are now facing the music and cant help it |
| Ordinal | says | I can understand the non-grandfathering, even if it is nasty, but doubling prims first? Incompetence or bait and switch? |
| Ordinal | says | "People use OpenSpaces for more than just looking at" is hardly *news*. |
| CENSORED | agrees. take the double prims out! they will avoid abusively complex builds. |
| CENSORED | im going to bed, calmed down but not happy. im sure a lot of us will have their 2 cents for LL in the next days. nini <3 |
| RaR | says | suicide for SL  rezzable.com/blog/rightasrain-rimbaud/linden-labs-betrays-consumer-market |
| Moggs | asks | you to submit your Open Space pictures to this flickr group - isfullofcrap's brainchild. |
| Vint | says | add photo's to the OpenSpace Flickr pool, or other action ideas here www.plurk.com/p/6mxf1 |
| Daniel Voyager | says |  |
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