| shaf | They have to scale their services first.... IM is down + xml is down which is starting to worry me. |
| yojibee | I was actually happy that IM is down..maybe I can get some work done now |
| yojibee | but I do hope they have learned just a little bit about scaling from Twitter |
| oliverkohl | Which notifications did you get over IM yojibee? Also new plurks? |
| yojibee | oliverkohl everything..new plurks and comments on older plurks |
| oliverkohl | I only got comments on old plurks |
| shaf | thinks | that the IM service is the yardstick to measure how solid a service is. IM is complicated technically to offer. |
| yojibee | thinks | they weren't really prepared for Leo Laporte/his words and it's aftermath yet |
| shaf | hopes we are not talking about twitter ! A distant fragmented memory for me. |
| yojibee | I am still hoping Twitter will be back |
| shaf | in a way so am I but if it can thread conversations out of tweets I would be right back there. Subject to a solid SLA |
| yojibee | depends where everyone moves as well I guess |
| yojibee | a mix of these two would have been perfect! (and a dash of FriendFeed too) |
| yojibee | thinks | where the conversation should jump to the top..easier to follow where the conversation happens then |
| yojibee | so sorry about my language there..second try.. |
| yojibee | thinks | plurks/tweets where conversation happens, should be on top. It makes it easier to follow the conversation as it happens |
| yojibee | thinks | conversation is already a part of how Karma is applied |
| dhague | I'm already investigating Skittr for NetWeaver - it pushes messages straight to the browser, so very responsive & bandwidth-efficient. |
| yojibee | it would be so much fun! And no one would expect it from a bunch of SAP guys (and girl) |
| oliverkohl | Ideas are not a problem |
| oliverkohl | thinks | building on top of a (stable) established platform makes sense and Twitter is mostly perfect for this (if it is available at all). |
| yojibee | thinks | we should go for it! |
| sig | Bugger me, SAP creativity in action, me likes |
| shaf | shudders to think how much the consultancy costs are going to be - let alone implementing a solution ! |
| oliverkohl | shaf think about all the 30 seconds to wait for a deployment...that sums up |
| oliverkohl | What about building a social network platform on top of EP using UME as social graph + integrating backend notifications from R/3? |
| dhague | oliverkohl did you read the article about Twitter scalability issues? www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/03/on-scaling-a-mi.html |
| dhague | I'm thinking that we would need to use JMS for reliable messaging |
| dhague | Riffing on Henning's Sapphire theme, use TREX/column-oriented access for all reads. |
| ccmehil | says | I'm here just kind of watching it's been a rough day and I got a train to catch in the morning for Bonn |
| yojibee | says |
| shaf | wants | a cig first - yes I'm bad sorry... brb |
| dhague | Maybe we should take this to Plexus? |
| ccmehil | says | rest? what's that oh wait I think I have a bed around here somewhere I remember it kind of LOL |
| shaf | shares | www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/22/twitter-at-scale-will-it-work/#comment-2325662 |
| shaf | loves | the comments |
| oliverkohl | dhague Haven't read it yet. With Twitters issues there should be a lot of material out there about horizontal scaling of such a service. |
| oliverkohl | But in respect to our usual customers I would go for a intranet solution with connection to the outside of course. |
| oliverkohl | A product based on EP to enable social capabilities inside a company. How about that? |
| dhague | That's exactly what I'm thinking. Being SAP, we should be working on Enterprise Twitter/Plurk. Good focus & business case. |
| dhague | Heh - "being SAP, we" - boy have I drunk that SAP Kool Aid. |
| yojibee | says | and better UI! This one is slowly getting on my nerves |
| yojibee | says | and it can not be used in any business setting what so ever |
| oliverkohl | dhague I think we have to talk. Damn, you were in Munich with sig and Sterling? How could I missed you? |
| yojibee | says | it is about time that an enterprise tool a like this gets built |
| dhague | I've created a SDN Wiki page to continue the discussion: https://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/Community/Enterprise+Social+Messaging+Experiment+%28ESME%29 |
| yojibee | likes | that it already has a name as well (ESME) |
| oliverkohl | dhague Nice start and a good name. |
| shaf | wants | to start a real project around this |
| oliverkohl | We need some concept, use cases, etc. The wiki is a good place to start. |
| yojibee | says | I'm so excited |
| shaf | thinks | he'll take a look in |
| yellowpark | No business use? Am I in a thread of SAP peeps collaborating on a thread. that's one, surely? |
| shaf | yellowpark I'm definitely not SAP but have used ECMs in the past - would be interesting to see what Netweaver can do. |
| ▪Macooole▪ | is | ei..:S |
| ▪Macooole▪ | is | ei |
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