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  • ://jay_ thinks
    thats sweet. :-)
  • worlddx
    now freeze it or delete.
  • Matthew Hughes says
    That's fucking ridiculous dude. Seriously. I agree with glados, make it 24. That is fucking reasonable.
  • xǝpuɐ☆ is
    lucky to get 12 hours a week much less in a row...
  • polink
    nerds don't sleep.
  • emporio says
    why not compromise to 18 hours? (s_dance)
  • sharon_elin says
    Hooray! Karma with common sense! Next we hope for karma vacations (even our bosses give us those!)
  • amix
    we may change it to 24 hours, depends on how this current change behaves
  • eztephen
    No, seriously, 24. Some of us have jobs outside the net.
  • eztephen
    and family who seem to think that chatting with them whilst playing on an Apple iPhone is inappropriate.
  • bambam says
    i prefer 24hrs..
  • Te-ge
    appreciates this! No more staying up just so karma won't drop while I'm sleeping. (s_dance)
  • amix
    eztephen: you will loose max. -0.16 karma for being inactive after 12 hours. this isn't much and i personally think it's reasonable
  • amix
    plurk won't be interesting if people plurk once every 24 hours.
  • bambam says
    well.. amix is right.. but i still don't understand...
  • bambam says
    i will lose 0.16 for being inactive.. but i will only gain 0.09 for my activity..
  • qudsiya thinks
    12 hours is just fine. Dont whine.
  • qudsiya thinks
    12 hours is just fine. Dont whine.
  • qudsiya thinks
    12 hours is just fine. Dont whine.
  • amix
    bambam: you will loose 0.16 every 12 hours. you'll gain 0.09 every 4 hours (4*0.09 = 0.36) - that said these are just calculations
  • amix
    these parameters may change in the future and nothing is promised. the general goal for karma is to support good usage
  • bambam says
    oh.. ok amix.. thanks for the explanation..
  • BarbaraKB shares
    "Karma promotes good useage." This is why Plurk will never go mainstream. Promote community & relationships instead! :-D
  • BarbaraKB asks
    ... make Karma optional? Let those who enjoy competition @ it... and the rest of us opt out for community. What think?
  • amix
    BarbaraKB: we do focus on community and relationships, that's what plurk is all about.
  • amix
    knitters for example are those with some of the highest karma, because they are very social and active users.
  • CeeDubb
    : Karma is the direct catalyst for inane chatter for the sake *Karma Maintenance*. That has nothing to do with community and relationships.
  • CeeDubb
    : It's goal fundamentally pure and good, but put into practice, it drives many of the mainstream folks away.
  • amix
    CeeDubb: we are making ways into the mainstream and we are doing this globally
  • CeeDubb
    : Plus, Plurk needs to find a better way to *disconnect* from the computer than *Mobile Plurk*.
  • CeeDubb
    : Borrow a page from Facebook and develop a good application for the iPhone and other mobile devices.
  • CeeDubb
    : A good service will stand on its own design. Ask yourself if Plurk would be great if you dropped the Karma feature...
  • Cindy Thomas
    that still sucks tho... our lives don't revolve around plurk!!! I love plurk but frankly am sick of this karma thing..
  • BarbaraKB says
    thank u CeeDub. Inane is correct. And hierarchal: hard to make new community here. Need to have one outside already ie: knitters!
  • BarbaraKB says
    amix I have put it @ GS. U have not answered my Karma Optional suggestion there. Others?
  • amix
    BarbaraKB: really, if you don't care about karma, then ignore it. how hard can it be and why is it such a big problem for you?
  • bambam says
    agreed with amix this time..
  • BarbaraKB says
    Not asked for removal. I have asked for it to be *optional* Opt-out! Thus, community here not part of Karma. Why?....
  • BarbaraKB
    ... more new users for Plurk. So many start and the abandon @ Plurk because of Karma. Biggest turn off to this app. Big!!
  • amix
    BarbaraKB: your assumption that users are leaving plurk (or leaving plurk because of karma) is pure bullshit
  • BarbaraKB asks
    amix It's about getting *more new user loyalty* for Plurk. Isn't this a good thing?
  • ☼ Mike ☽ says
    amix: Thank you! My connection was interrupted this AM and kept me offline!
  • BarbaraKB says
    ok. nice words amix. great way to relate. great... peace to your day!
  • Nethead says
    Karma? what that? oh, i remember that what i remove from my dashboard about 1 months ago, w00t! no more Karma!!
  • Nethead says
    so remember ; you can remove karma from your dashboard and not have to see it any more; then you tend to forget about it
  • amix
    nethead: i think that's a good solution for users that want to ignore karma
  • BarbaraKB says
    nethead Great! Let's make it an easy push button to do that: opt-in/opt-out. Why not do that amix?
  • BarbaraKB says
    Pleez promote what u praise nethead having done: push button opt-out. Make easy!
  • amix
    BarbaraKB: what other plurkers do you know that have left plurk because of karma?
  • gleber
    BarbaraKB, if one disables the karma,should he be able to use these fancy emoticons, normally available when karma is on appropriate level?
  • BarbaraKB says
    this week? geekmommy spin. most are silent majority. but biggest turn-off when 1st sign-up. "what's karma stuff?" leave...
  • Nethead says
    scum LOL
  • Feld
    w00ts
  • Nethead says
    okay; need more sleep (LOL)
  • BarbaraKB asks
    nethead don't u think should be easier? too complicated for many... again, barrier for entry.
  • topsurf
    I think those who leave because of the karma are missing the point, for me plurk is more about he friends here then the Karma I might or
  • topsurf
    might not receive
  • WillyCee says
    : I believe CeeDubb will be leaving because amix appears to be a poor representative of the company for blocking him...
  • WillyCee says
    : ...for posting some constructive criticism earlier.
  • BarbaraKB says
    gleber don't care 'bout leveled emoticons... can link from elsewhere. not important to me :-)
  • Nethead says
    BarbaraKB; can agree; a 'check' box idea is nice; i think that karama is fun for the noobs (as we where once) , but after using plurk
  • Nethead says
    we have created a community; and now that is what is the important part of plurk for us; as topsurf has stated; so for those new to plurk,
  • Nethead says
    karma can still be a fun thing; but as we get 'older' on plurk, it tends not to mean the same and we can then 'chk' and remove it
  • BarbaraKB says
    nethead yes: check box. heck, label me "non-Karma Plurkr" as a badge of shame... :-D
  • Nethead says
    i think have taken plurk to the 'next' level and made it a community and not just our close friends as it was intended to be org and doing
  • amix
    WillyCee: hijacking my plurks with off-topic material will generally result in a temporary block
  • Nethead says
    so we have found the community is the important part of plurk; but some find the karma overwhelming ; human nature; i know of 2 persons whom
  • Nethead says
    left because of it; the removing via CSS helped alot for me
  • BarbaraKB needs
    to leave :-o but will return for further *constructive* discussion esp. if it's kind & full of friendship & community. Peace all :-)
  • Nethead says
    sorry for the overplurking here :-)
  • amix thinks
    users should add CSS like nethead if they find karma disturbing. we may make it easier, we may not. it depends on how much feedback
  • Olivia Bell says
    that's fantastic. Way better than before - as for 24 hours thing, I think waiting and seeing how the 12 hours will manage is a good idea.
  • Olivia Bell says
    Plurk is great and a big part of it *is* to do with karma.
  • TheBadMonkey
    amix - have mild complaints about karma that I will restrict to getsatisfaction. Thanks for all your work.
  • TheBadMonkey
    Even many of us who bitch a lot really appreciate it!
  • CeeDubb
    : Hmmm... I'm not trying to start an argument, but when I'm blocked in mid-reply for a Karma-related suggestion, it's annoying...
  • CeeDubb
    : My piece is said. I'll look forwardto the possible *opt-out* feature. Ryan Lim will keep my interest in Plurk with his upcoming iApp.
  • Alice says
    (s_cozy) nice
  • Olivia Bell says
    just slightly off topic and a little something someone told me to help me... a friend once said to me that, if I choose to use services
  • Olivia Bell says
    like Plurk, Facebook, or anything - then I must abide by their rules. If I don't like them, then I should then leave if it is worrying me so
  • CeeDubb
    : True Olivia, but a service balances their vision with the wants of the users. It should be influenced by the users' desires...
  • CeeDubb
    : ...but not controlled by them.
  • Olivia Bell says
    CeeDubb: :-) I understand. The service have to put themselves in the users shoes and vice versa. To me it looks like an attempt on their
  • Olivia Bell says
    half has been made.. maybe more needs to be made, but try to be happy with what they've got so far. I'm sure they're doing their best. :-)
  • eriktrips
    I know, netwise, at least ten people who haven't joined plurk because of the karma system..
  • eriktrips
    the rest of my lj friendslist has not been as specific about what they don't like about plurk. many of them twitter, however.
  • amix
    eriktrips: and thousands join because of karma. it's a fair price to pay.
  • Rosanna Bell says
    Thank you you so much amix. I think 12 hours is perfectly reasonable... if it doesn't work it can always be changed to 24
  • Rosanna Bell says
    but personally I think 12 hours is just fine (s_dance)
  • Olivia Bell says
    eriktrips: not everyone loves something. we're all different. I for one love karma, it adds a nice interest to it :-)
  • eriktrips
    I like plurk because I think threaded conversations in a "microblogging" application was a very good idea. it's why I stay..
  • skraggy says
    I feel this is a good and balanced changed to the karma system.
  • eriktrips
    ..however I've seen many people create accounts and then leave because they find karma "annoying," "stupid," and other things I won't repeat
  • skraggy says
    as far as the why does it bother some people though... when you score people, some get wrapped up in it. Even if they don't want to care...
  • skraggy says
    they know they are being "judged" by a score.
  • eriktrips
    thousands of people explicitly say they are joining "because of karma"?
  • Keli
    this is a good thing! Thanks (s_dance)
  • amix
    eriktrips: let me just put it this way: we generally don't have a problem with users leaving the service. end of discussion
  • eriktrips says
    how do you know if users are leaving? how many accounts are created and then sit unused?
  • eriktrips says
    just to be clear: I'm voicing my frustration at getting interesting people to join plurk..
  • eriktrips says
    karma is the number one reason I hear for creating an account and then abandoning it, or not creating an account at all
  • eriktrips says
    it's your choice whether or not to listen to your users when they say what they see happening
  • greytfriend
    I think karma can be a tool to get people involved and plurking. Most, once they develop real friendships, don't care much about it anymore.
  • greytfriend
    I dropped the few people who plurked only about karma or for karma, so that's that for me.
  • Keli
    I would like to see an *on vacation* option...could you consider that?
  • amix
    eriktrips: how can you say that we don't listen to your feedback? i have just spent some hours discussing these matters with you
  • greytfriend
    it's just a game. A lot of people obviously care about the game, so why not make it a bit more fun. Also, why not have some goals for the
  • greytfriend
    folk with high karma since after 50 there's really nothing
  • jflanigan says
    That is still unacceptable.You need to consider a formula where it stop dropping at some point or drops less than you are capable of gaining
  • jflanigan says
    social media tools should not demand that people not take time for their lives offline.
  • unmistakable says
    now I understand everything...
  • Olivia Bell says
    I think amix has said his piece. I'm sure if they feel it should be changed then they will.
  • daysies says
    awww! i wish you made these changes before i went on vacation! but hey, i'll take what we can get! thanks!
  • daysies says
    i think karma is fun... i just don't dwell on it too much like some people
  • Aletta wonders
    if amix knows how much she appreciates this gesture - at 20 karmas I need all the help available out there! Thanks again ;-)
  • jeayese says
    LEGEND!
  • fireshaper was
    just saying that this should be implemented! Thanks amix!
  • Telperion
    (g_rock_n_roll) (g_rock_n_roll) you have NO idea how long I've been waiting for this!
  • captainstardust wishes
    it were 24 but certainly thinks this is an improvement!
  • LChamp says
    well, that's a start! B-)
  • AsKatKnits says
    amix is awesome!! Thanks for this great gift!!
  • metaweb loves
    that we can now have 8 hours to sleep without interruption
  • Kaji says
    Yay! Now I don't have to worry about losing while I'm at work anymore! Used to post from work, then it got blocked...
  • patricksweeney says
    wow, amix is one HELL of an awesome guy people. Calm down. You right, we do have lives and it affects my karma. So what? I have a ton of fun
  • kasnj says
    (s_dance)
  • Baccara gives
    BIG CHEER !!!
  • [unl33t] says
    (s_dance) (g_rock_n_roll) (g_party) (g_drinking) you da MAN!
  • LChamp says
    donnellyaa: I don't care about karma, but I like plurk and would hate to see them fail because they anger their users so they leave.
  • patricksweeney says
    LChamp: I'd say most of us agree with the changes though. I only like this service more and more each day. They actually listen to users!
  • patricksweeney says
    amix: excellent job! (g_drinking) Thanks for the hard work you do from programmer to programmer.
  • tamar
    how about 2 days? i'm religious and i'm offline every single friday to saturday night for 25 hours.
  • Zappa says
    sweeeeeeeeeet!!!!
  • AbleReach says
    news flash: plurk recognizes SLEEP!
  • honeydo says
    THANK YOU
  • SarahTM2TS
    Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
  • Athena Grey says
    awesome change. Hopefully it will cut down on meaningless plurks to preserve karma.
  • EdVentures says
    SUH-WEEET! tks dude!
  • boris says
    24
  • ChrisHumphries says
    wow, people kiss your erm.. feet like a golden god.
  • ChrisHumphries says
    the only people that care is the company that develops the software and hopes to make decent profits. what do the rest of us care?
  • JustJen wonders
    (g_applause) Chellez. And thank you, Amix for the update and your hard work and trying to please the masses
  • spyros says
    I agree. Make it 24. More reasonable
  • horribilis says
    Wow! Thanks! That's going to make a big difference. (g_applause)
  • deinera says
    I know people want it 24, and etc. I'm thankful for this change. So thank you for at least giving us the 12 hours. Finally... FINALLY my
  • deinera says
    plurk karma might stay up a little bit :-)
  • tamar
    i'm compelled to agree with barbaraKB here. i hid the karma. the only thing that would suck is losing privileges
  • tamar
    when my karma drops under 60 or whatever..
  • Hannanana says
    karma really isn't important. I mean that's not really what plurk is about, it's about staying connected with friends.
  • RogueTess
    thanks for the wonderful, reasonable coding! You guys rock!
  • MissM says
    this is a great improvement. Thank you! :-)
  • PlurkingPoppa asks
    that you explain what "inactive" means? if I engage in conversation by replying to other plurks, does that qualify? ie no plurks?
  • vdub144 says
    Plurk wouldn't be Plurk, without Karma.
  • CubmasterJoe says
    Yeah without Karma it just be a kick butt version of Twitter.Oh Wait
  • eztephen
    Thank you for your response amix . Sounds reasonable. I can sleep soundly now :-D
  • fizzgig_sh says
    Was 4 hours and is now 12, way to go, that is 200% gain. You Beauty. I am a Karma fan. (atm)
  • PlurkingPoppa
    thanks fizzgig_sh for guessing but thinks that users deserve more clarity from the developers.
  • bunneh wonders
    why his karma dropped after only 7 hours away though... albeit a smaller drop than normal
  • pinkparis
    mine is dropped though i'm not online just for few hours
  • skraggy has
    seen several people's karma drop inexplicably in the last day when they were still active. (g_thinking)
  • KDFrawg says
    Sorry, amix, but it is both true and very widespread.
  • CT Xue
    still has a problem with this--Plurk makes it very unfair yet for the people over 80 and 90 Karma that have done so much for Plurk already..
  • CT Xue
    your max gain for me is restricted to 0.02 (6*0.02=0.12/day) yet it can drop 0.16 (2*0.16=0.32) If I lose once, I cannot catch up ever
  • jason thinks
    we all have choices. and yes, my karma is over 80, but i went through some of the rough times as well -
  • jason thinks
    it's not live or die anyway, it's for fun - plurk for fun, not for karma, and eventually, the karma will come.
  • jason asks
    if you sit and watch water boil to watch it boil, or if it's something that you do to cook food...
  • CT Xue will
    open or add to a getsat. thread for this--If we want plurk to be interesting, this penalty for top plurkers should be lessened as has their
  • CT Xue
    max gain. That's an unfair neglect...I was only inactive for 10 hours and lost 0.16...in that case, it's a -0.20 favor against us. Thkx
  • FabioBracht says
    I can't understand how people turn karma into such a big deal. I have 41.61 now and no idea of how much I had yesterday. I enjoy the people.
  • danielduende says
    but I can't understand these people that turn karma in their goal in every service they use, too. i'm here for the conversations...
  • jason
    ClassTax: karma is not about entitlement. I was once in the top ten before the twittering, and was passed by karma that needed tweaked...
  • jason says
    ... and i'm pretty sure i never cried about it. to plurk, or not to plurk. i choose plurk.
  • crandall thinks
    That Plurkers provide the best resources! THAT alone is worth a plurk or two! Chill, ClassTax!
  • lizard.beer
    not to whine, but i have been active no less than once in every 4 hr. period the last 2 days and had karma drops *while i was active*.
  • lizard.beer
    in other words, i'm up plurking 'till 2 AM, and in the 5AM update, i lose points. is plurk telling me to go to bed at a decent hour?
  • RogueTess
    believes this is not working as advertised as of right now. :-(
  • boris says
    me too...
  • saxmangeoff says
    same here. I plurked a bit this morning, but nowhere near 30 plurks, and my karma has gone down.
  • lizard.beer
    i have a theory. for the couple days prior, i missed karma periods each day and no drop. then, when i did not miss any, it went down on the
  • lizard.beer
    ... sixth straight time period. i wonder if that's by design, or a side effect of changing it to 12 hours? hmmm.
  • ThatDude
    I don't think this is working. The more active I've been the more my karma has gone down.
  • amix
    like i stated before activeness is only one parameter, en example: if friends unfollow you, your karma will be lowered
  • skraggy says
    ya, got hit with negative now too... 9 hours between plurks, lost no friends, lost no fans, even gained one during that period.
  • skraggy says
    first time I've seen a negative number in weeks.
  • SarahTM2TS
    amix, I honestly don't think you're listening. People who are active, aren't losing friends/fans/followers are *still* losing karma.
  • vdub144 says
    Its the randomness factor. Happens to me as well. Active, adding friends, changing profile, getting responses, but occasionally lose -.05
  • vdub144 says
    Think that I will live. ;-)
  • Kaji says
    Theoretically spamming will get you lowered as well. Too much replying, perhaps?
  • vdub144 says
    No. But I do have a thread friends have hijacked, and I think folks are muting. Not much I can do tho...
  • bunneh says
    i think this is affecting too many people to be dismissed as just 'other factors'. it's all too consistent (g_thinking)
  • SarahTM2TS
    I agree with bunneh ... 2 users I have on my list are consistent plurkers, have consistent gains in everything, I doubt any losses, and has
  • SarahTM2TS
    lost karma. The algo is borked, and I'm tired of getting the runaround about it.
  • tfl says
    sounds fair
  • eztephen
    surprisingly, my life and the world around me manages to survive without karma. maybe that's true karma, or zen.
  • PlurkingPoppa
    amix: it's you that's full of BS ... the only thing that never breaks around here is the karma penalty.
  • CT Xue thinks
    it's sad that changes were made to reduce the max gains to 0.01 in the middle of this all, yet the loss is still at 0.16
  • vdub144 says
    Its a race that has already been won. So it takes a little longer to get to 100. Good karma will still balance out just below Nirvana. If
  • vdub144 says
    you go slightly above & beyond, you will pass Nirvana. If you miss a bit, you will fall, but you can get it up again. Taking this WAY too
  • vdub144 says
    seriously. It's meant to be a reinforcement, not something you see a counselor over...
  • yoyocici12345 is
    how to get a profile like this?
  • Christian•크리스챈 says
    so why the heck did my karma drop even if I'm active? And no, I wasn't spamming. (angry)
  • Ardhi
    kind oflate but all i can say is karma do make users come back often just to update his/her plurk
  • Kaji says
    flameoftears: I think being unfriended also drops your karma. On an unrelated note, why are you posting on a plurk this old, anyway?
  • Kaji says
    The interval has been upped to 24 hours for some time now.
  • Ardhi
    kaji: how you know it's 24?
  • Kaji says
    It's actually a little bit more than that now, even (tested it by accident a couple days ago). Just watch the dev accounts to see when they
  • Kaji says
    make changes to the system.

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