September 10, 2008 at 11:45polinknerds don't sleep.
September 10, 2008 at 11:45StellasaysIf your away from the computer for more than 12 hours you shouldn't blame Plurk, it was your choice eh.
September 10, 2008 at 11:44StellasaysAlso ridiculous if you would complain about something stupid like your karma on Plurk. Yes I'm going to sleep now.
September 10, 2008 at 11:49Jedi_kristiansaysyay great
September 10, 2008 at 11:47emporiosayswhy not compromise to 18 hours?
September 10, 2008 at 11:47matthewhughessaysI could deal with that.
September 10, 2008 at 11:55Alirezasaysi agree with GLaDOS , make it 24 !
September 10, 2008 at 12:08sharon_elinsaysHooray! Karma with common sense! Next we hope for karma vacations (even our bosses give us those!)
September 10, 2008 at 12:08amixwe may change it to 24 hours, depends on how this current change behaves
September 10, 2008 at 12:08eztephenNo, seriously, 24. Some of us have jobs outside the net.
September 10, 2008 at 12:09eztephenand family who seem to think that chatting with them whilst playing on an Apple iPhone is inappropriate.
September 10, 2008 at 12:07bambamsaysi prefer 24hrs..
September 10, 2008 at 12:10Teegappreciates this! No more staying up just so karma won't drop while I'm sleeping.
September 10, 2008 at 12:10amixeztephen: you will loose max. -0.16 karma for being inactive after 12 hours. this isn't much and i personally think it's reasonable
September 10, 2008 at 12:11amixplurk won't be interesting if people plurk once every 24 hours.
September 10, 2008 at 12:10bambamsayswell.. amix is right.. but i still don't understand...
September 10, 2008 at 12:14bambamsaysi will lose 0.16 for being inactive.. but i will only gain 0.09 for my activity..
September 10, 2008 at 12:16qudsiyathinks12 hours is just fine. Dont whine.
September 10, 2008 at 12:16qudsiyathinks12 hours is just fine. Dont whine.
September 10, 2008 at 12:16qudsiyathinks12 hours is just fine. Dont whine.
September 10, 2008 at 12:17amixbambam: you will loose 0.16 every 12 hours. you'll gain 0.09 every 4 hours (4*0.09 = 0.36) - that said these are just calculations
September 10, 2008 at 12:17amixthese parameters may change in the future and nothing is promised. the general goal for karma is to support good usage
September 10, 2008 at 12:19bambamsaysoh.. ok amix.. thanks for the explanation..
September 10, 2008 at 12:24BarbaraKBshares"Karma promotes good useage." This is why Plurk will never go mainstream. Promote community & relationships instead!
September 10, 2008 at 12:24BarbaraKBasks... make Karma optional? Let those who enjoy competition @ it... and the rest of us opt out for community. What think?
September 10, 2008 at 12:31amixBarbaraKB: we do focus on community and relationships, that's what plurk is all about.
September 10, 2008 at 12:32amixknitters for example are those with some of the highest karma, because they are very social and active users.
September 10, 2008 at 12:29CeeDubb: Karma is the direct catalyst for inane chatter for the sake *Karma Maintenance*. That has nothing to do with community and relationships.
September 10, 2008 at 12:31CeeDubb: It's goal fundamentally pure and good, but put into practice, it drives many of the mainstream folks away.
September 10, 2008 at 12:33bambamsayswww.plurk.com/user/amix:so.. in 24 hours we could lose (2* -0.16 = -0.32) but we can still gain (6* +0.09 = +0.54)???
September 10, 2008 at 12:34amixCeeDubb: we are making ways into the mainstream and we are doing this globally
September 10, 2008 at 12:37CeeDubb: Plus, Plurk needs to find a better way to *disconnect* from the computer than *Mobile Plurk*.
September 10, 2008 at 12:38CeeDubb: Borrow a page from Facebook and develop a good application for the iPhone and other mobile devices.
September 10, 2008 at 12:41CeeDubb: A good service will stand on its own design. Ask yourself if Plurk would be great if you dropped the Karma feature...
September 10, 2008 at 12:43Cindy Thomasthat still sucks tho... our lives don't revolve around plurk!!! I love plurk but frankly am sick of this karma thing..
September 10, 2008 at 12:43BarbaraKBsaysthank u CeeDub. Inane is correct. And hierarchal: hard to make new community here. Need to have one outside already ie: knitters!
September 10, 2008 at 12:46BarbaraKBsaysamix I have put it @ GS. U have not answered my Karma Optional suggestion there. Others?
September 10, 2008 at 12:46amixBarbaraKB: really, if you don't care about karma, then ignore it. how hard can it be and why is it such a big problem for you?
September 10, 2008 at 12:49bambamsaysagreed with amix this time..
September 10, 2008 at 12:48BarbaraKBsaysNot asked for removal. I have asked for it to be *optional* Opt-out! Thus, community here not part of Karma. Why?....
September 10, 2008 at 12:53BarbaraKB... more new users for Plurk. So many start and the abandon @ Plurk because of Karma. Biggest turn off to this app. Big!!
September 10, 2008 at 12:54amixBarbaraKB: your assumption that users are leaving plurk (or leaving plurk because of karma) is pure bullshit
September 10, 2008 at 12:52BarbaraKBasksamix It's about getting *more new user loyalty* for Plurk. Isn't this a good thing?
September 10, 2008 at 12:55MikeFarhosaysamix: Thank you! My connection was interrupted this AM and kept me offline!
September 10, 2008 at 12:54BarbaraKBsaysok. nice words amix. great way to relate. great... peace to your day!
September 10, 2008 at 12:59netheadsaysKarma? what that? oh, i remember that what i remove from my dashboard about 1 months ago, w00t! no more Karma!!
September 10, 2008 at 13:00netheadsaysso remember ; you can remove karma from your dashboard and not have to see it any more; then you tend to forget about it
September 10, 2008 at 12:58amixnethead: i think that's a good solution for users that want to ignore karma
September 10, 2008 at 13:04BarbaraKBsaysnethead Great! Let's make it an easy push button to do that: opt-in/opt-out. Why not do that amix?
September 10, 2008 at 13:05BarbaraKBsaysPleez promote what u praise nethead having done: push button opt-out. Make easy!
September 10, 2008 at 13:06amixBarbaraKB: what other plurkers do you know that have left plurk because of karma?
September 10, 2008 at 13:06gleberBarbaraKB, if one disables the karma,should he be able to use these fancy emoticons, normally available when karma is on appropriate level?
September 10, 2008 at 13:10BarbaraKBsaysthis week? geekmommyspin. most are silent majority. but biggest turn-off when 1st sign-up. "what's karma stuff?" leave...
September 10, 2008 at 13:08BarbaraKBasksnethead don't u think should be easier? too complicated for many... again, barrier for entry.
September 10, 2008 at 13:12topsurfI think those who leave because of the karma are missing the point, for me plurk is more about he friends here then the Karma I might or
September 10, 2008 at 13:12topsurfmight not receive
September 10, 2008 at 13:12WillyCeesays: I believe CeeDubb will be leaving because amix appears to be a poor representative of the company for blocking him...
September 10, 2008 at 13:12WillyCeesays: ...for posting some constructive criticism earlier.
September 10, 2008 at 13:10BarbaraKBsaysgleber don't care 'bout leveled emoticons... can link from elsewhere. not important to me
September 10, 2008 at 13:11netheadsaysBarbaraKB; can agree; a 'check' box idea is nice; i think that karama is fun for the noobs (as we where once) , but after using plurk
September 10, 2008 at 13:15netheadsayswe have created a community; and now that is what is the important part of plurk for us; as topsurf has stated; so for those new to plurk,
September 10, 2008 at 13:15netheadsayskarma can still be a fun thing; but as we get 'older' on plurk, it tends not to mean the same and we can then 'chk' and remove it
September 10, 2008 at 13:13BarbaraKBsaysnethead yes: check box. heck, label me "non-Karma Plurkr" as a badge of shame...
September 10, 2008 at 13:14netheadsaysi think have taken plurk to the 'next' level and made it a community and not just our close friends as it was intended to be org and doing
September 10, 2008 at 13:17amixWillyCee: hijacking my plurks with off-topic material will generally result in a temporary block
September 10, 2008 at 13:17netheadsaysso we have found the community is the important part of plurk; but some find the karma overwhelming ; human nature; i know of 2 persons whom
September 10, 2008 at 13:18netheadsaysleft because of it; the removing via CSS helped alot for me
September 10, 2008 at 13:16BarbaraKBneedsto leave but will return for further *constructive* discussion esp. if it's kind & full of friendship & community. Peace all
September 10, 2008 at 13:19netheadsayssorry for the overplurking here
September 10, 2008 at 13:19amixthinksusers should add CSS like nethead if they find karma disturbing. we may make it easier, we may not. it depends on how much feedback
September 10, 2008 at 13:20Olivia Bellsaysthat's fantastic. Way better than before - as for 24 hours thing, I think waiting and seeing how the 12 hours will manage is a good idea.
September 10, 2008 at 13:20Olivia BellsaysPlurk is great and a big part of it *is* to do with karma.
September 10, 2008 at 13:21amixoliviabell: you're welcome
September 10, 2008 at 13:25TheBadMonkeyamix - have mild complaints about karma that I will restrict to getsatisfaction. Thanks for all your work.
September 10, 2008 at 13:25TheBadMonkeyEven many of us who bitch a lot really appreciate it!
September 10, 2008 at 13:29CeeDubb: Hmmm... I'm not trying to start an argument, but when I'm blocked in mid-reply for a Karma-related suggestion, it's annoying...
September 10, 2008 at 13:37CeeDubb: My piece is said. I'll look forwardto the possible *opt-out* feature. Ryan Lim will keep my interest in Plurk with his upcoming iApp.
September 10, 2008 at 13:41Olivia Bellsaysjust slightly off topic and a little something someone told me to help me... a friend once said to me that, if I choose to use services
September 10, 2008 at 13:39Olivia Bellsayslike Plurk, Facebook, or anything - then I must abide by their rules. If I don't like them, then I should then leave if it is worrying me so
September 10, 2008 at 13:52CeeDubb: True Olivia, but a service balances their vision with the wants of the users. It should be influenced by the users' desires...
September 10, 2008 at 13:50CeeDubb: ...but not controlled by them.
September 10, 2008 at 13:55eriktripsamik and if more people knew about GetSatisfaction you'd probably see that number grow.
September 10, 2008 at 13:53Olivia BellsaysCeeDubb: I understand. The service have to put themselves in the users shoes and vice versa. To me it looks like an attempt on their
September 10, 2008 at 13:53Olivia Bellsayshalf has been made.. maybe more needs to be made, but try to be happy with what they've got so far. I'm sure they're doing their best.
September 10, 2008 at 13:57eriktripsI know, netwise, at least ten people who haven't joined plurk because of the karma system..
September 10, 2008 at 13:55eriktripsthe rest of my lj friendslist has not been as specific about what they don't like about plurk. many of them twitter, however.
September 10, 2008 at 13:59amixeriktrips: and thousands join because of karma. it's a fair price to pay.
September 10, 2008 at 14:00Rosanna BellsaysThank you you so much amix. I think 12 hours is perfectly reasonable... if it doesn't work it can always be changed to 24
September 10, 2008 at 13:58Rosanna Bellsaysbut personally I think 12 hours is just fine
September 10, 2008 at 14:01Olivia Bellsayseriktrips: not everyone loves something. we're all different. I for one love karma, it adds a nice interest to it
September 10, 2008 at 14:00eriktripsI like plurk because I think threaded conversations in a "microblogging" application was a very good idea. it's why I stay..
September 10, 2008 at 14:04skraggysaysI feel this is a good and balanced changed to the karma system.
September 10, 2008 at 14:04eriktrips..however I've seen many people create accounts and then leave because they find karma "annoying," "stupid," and other things I won't repeat
September 10, 2008 at 14:02skraggysaysas far as the why does it bother some people though... when you score people, some get wrapped up in it. Even if they don't want to care...
September 10, 2008 at 14:02skraggysaysthey know they are being "judged" by a score.
September 10, 2008 at 14:06eriktripsthousands of people explicitly say they are joining "because of karma"?
September 10, 2008 at 14:11Kelithis is a good thing! Thanks
September 10, 2008 at 14:16amixeriktrips: let me just put it this way: we generally don't have a problem with users leaving the service. end of discussion
September 10, 2008 at 14:18eriktripssayshow do you know if users are leaving? how many accounts are created and then sit unused?
September 10, 2008 at 14:20eriktripssaysjust to be clear: I'm voicing my frustration at getting interesting people to join plurk..
September 10, 2008 at 14:18eriktripssayskarma is the number one reason I hear for creating an account and then abandoning it, or not creating an account at all
September 10, 2008 at 14:21eriktripssaysit's your choice whether or not to listen to your users when they say what they see happening
September 10, 2008 at 14:22greytfriendI think karma can be a tool to get people involved and plurking. Most, once they develop real friendships, don't care much about it anymore.
September 10, 2008 at 14:22greytfriendI dropped the few people who plurked only about karma or for karma, so that's that for me.
September 10, 2008 at 14:23KeliI would like to see an *on vacation* option...could you consider that?
September 10, 2008 at 14:24amixeriktrips: how can you say that we don't listen to your feedback? i have just spent some hours discussing these matters with you
September 10, 2008 at 14:22greytfriendit's just a game. A lot of people obviously care about the game, so why not make it a bit more fun. Also, why not have some goals for the
September 10, 2008 at 14:22greytfriendfolk with high karma since after 50 there's really nothing
September 10, 2008 at 14:27SquireHoggsaysthat was a great idea!
September 10, 2008 at 14:43jflanigansaysThat is still unacceptable.You need to consider a formula where it stop dropping at some point or drops less than you are capable of gaining
September 10, 2008 at 14:43jflanigansayssocial media tools should not demand that people not take time for their lives offline.
September 10, 2008 at 14:41unmistakablesaysnow I understand everything...
September 10, 2008 at 14:45unmistakablesaysbut make it 24!
September 10, 2008 at 14:44Olivia BellsaysI think amix has said his piece. I'm sure if they feel it should be changed then they will.
September 10, 2008 at 15:10daysiessaysawww! i wish you made these changes before i went on vacation! but hey, i'll take what we can get! thanks!
September 10, 2008 at 15:13daysiessaysi think karma is fun... i just don't dwell on it too much like some people
September 10, 2008 at 15:16Alettawondersif amix knows how much she appreciates this gesture - at 20 karmas I need all the help available out there! Thanks again
September 10, 2008 at 15:14KDFrawgsaysamix, you are my hero!
September 10, 2008 at 15:51KajisaysYay! Now I don't have to worry about losing while I'm at work anymore! Used to post from work, then it got blocked...
September 10, 2008 at 15:52patricksweeneysayswow, amix is one HELL of an awesome guy people. Calm down. You right, we do have lives and it affects my karma. So what? I have a ton of fun
September 10, 2008 at 15:52patricksweeneysayswith Plurk....just enjoy it!
September 10, 2008 at 16:15dcousineausaysthank god!
September 10, 2008 at 17:18LChampsaysdonnellyaa: I don't care about karma, but I like plurk and would hate to see them fail because they anger their users so they leave.
September 10, 2008 at 17:23patricksweeneysaysLChamp: I'd say most of us agree with the changes though. I only like this service more and more each day. They actually listen to users!
September 10, 2008 at 17:26patricksweeneysaysamix: excellent job! Thanks for the hard work you do from programmer to programmer.
September 10, 2008 at 17:41Serenasaysthank you amix!
September 10, 2008 at 18:01tamarhow about 2 days? i'm religious and i'm offline every single friday to saturday night for 25 hours.
September 10, 2008 at 18:02Zappasayssweeeeeeeeeet!!!!
September 10, 2008 at 18:12AbleReachsaysnews flash: plurk recognizes SLEEP!
September 10, 2008 at 21:02ChrisHumphriessayswho cares what people use.
September 10, 2008 at 21:03ChrisHumphriessaysthe only people that care is the company that develops the software and hopes to make decent profits. what do the rest of us care?
September 10, 2008 at 21:16JustJenwondersChellez. And thank you, Amix for the update and your hard work and trying to please the masses
September 10, 2008 at 21:28spyrossaysI agree. Make it 24. More reasonable
September 10, 2008 at 21:49horribilissaysWow! Thanks! That's going to make a big difference.
September 10, 2008 at 21:55deinerasaysI know people want it 24, and etc. I'm thankful for this change. So thank you for at least giving us the 12 hours. Finally... FINALLY my
September 10, 2008 at 21:55deinerasaysplurk karma might stay up a little bit
September 10, 2008 at 22:45tamari'm compelled to agree with barbaraKB here. i hid the karma. the only thing that would suck is losing privileges
September 10, 2008 at 22:48tamarwhen my karma drops under 60 or whatever..
September 10, 2008 at 23:05Hannananasayskarma really isn't important. I mean that's not really what plurk is about, it's about staying connected with friends.
September 11, 2008 at 00:17RogueTessthanks for the wonderful, reasonable coding! You guys rock!
September 11, 2008 at 01:38MissMsaysthis is a great improvement. Thank you!
September 11, 2008 at 02:20PlurkingPoppaasksthat you explain what "inactive" means? if I engage in conversation by replying to other plurks, does that qualify? ie no plurks?
September 11, 2008 at 11:36eztephenThank you for your response amix . Sounds reasonable. I can sleep soundly now
September 12, 2008 at 04:53fizzgig_shsaysWas 4 hours and is now 12, way to go, that is 200% gain. You Beauty. I am a Karma fan. (atm)
September 12, 2008 at 04:55fizzgig_shsaysPlurkingPoppa replying to other plurks is active. imho
September 12, 2008 at 06:15PlurkingPoppathanks fizzgig_sh for guessing but thinks that users deserve more clarity from the developers.
September 12, 2008 at 07:09SquireHoggsayswow! And I thought I had strong feelings. Thanks amix
September 12, 2008 at 16:52bunnehwonderswhy his karma dropped after only 7 hours away though... albeit a smaller drop than normal
September 12, 2008 at 16:54pinkparismine is dropped though i'm not online just for few hours
September 12, 2008 at 16:57skraggyhasseen several people's karma drop inexplicably in the last day when they were still active.
September 12, 2008 at 17:02KDFrawgsaysSorry, amix, but it is both true and very widespread.
September 12, 2008 at 17:20amixactivity is only one parameter of karma - more help can be seen here www.plurk.com/Help/karmaHelp
September 12, 2008 at 19:05CT Scanstill has a problem with this--Plurk makes it very unfair yet for the people over 80 and 90 Karma that have done so much for Plurk already..
September 12, 2008 at 19:07CT Scanyour max gain for me is restricted to 0.02 (6*0.02=0.12/day) yet it can drop 0.16 (2*0.16=0.32) If I lose once, I cannot catch up ever
September 12, 2008 at 19:05jasonthinkswe all have choices. and yes, my karma is over 80, but i went through some of the rough times as well -
September 12, 2008 at 19:08jasonthinksit's not live or die anyway, it's for fun - plurk for fun, not for karma, and eventually, the karma will come.
September 12, 2008 at 19:09jasonasksif you sit and watch water boil to watch it boil, or if it's something that you do to cook food...
September 12, 2008 at 19:09CT Scanwillopen or add to a getsat. thread for this--If we want plurk to be interesting, this penalty for top plurkers should be lessened as has their
September 12, 2008 at 19:09CT Scanmax gain. That's an unfair neglect...I was only inactive for 10 hours and lost 0.16...in that case, it's a -0.20 favor against us. Thkx
September 12, 2008 at 19:12FabioBrachtsaysI can't understand how people turn karma into such a big deal. I have 41.61 now and no idea of how much I had yesterday. I enjoy the people.
September 12, 2008 at 19:16danielduendesaysthank you very much.
September 12, 2008 at 19:16danielduendesaysbut I can't understand these people that turn karma in their goal in every service they use, too. i'm here for the conversations...
September 12, 2008 at 19:28jasonClassTax: karma is not about entitlement. I was once in the top ten before the twittering, and was passed by karma that needed tweaked...
September 12, 2008 at 19:32jasonsays... and i'm pretty sure i never cried about it. to plurk, or not to plurk. i choose plurk.
September 12, 2008 at 19:34crandallthinksThat Plurkers provide the best resources! THAT alone is worth a plurk or two! Chill, ClassTax!
September 12, 2008 at 23:29lizard.beernot to whine, but i have been active no less than once in every 4 hr. period the last 2 days and had karma drops *while i was active*.
September 12, 2008 at 23:28lizard.beerin other words, i'm up plurking 'till 2 AM, and in the 5AM update, i lose points. is plurk telling me to go to bed at a decent hour?
September 13, 2008 at 01:19RogueTessbelieves this is not working as advertised as of right now.
September 13, 2008 at 04:39saxmangeoffsayssame here. I plurked a bit this morning, but nowhere near 30 plurks, and my karma has gone down.
September 13, 2008 at 05:14lizard.beeri have a theory. for the couple days prior, i missed karma periods each day and no drop. then, when i did not miss any, it went down on the
September 13, 2008 at 05:15lizard.beer... sixth straight time period. i wonder if that's by design, or a side effect of changing it to 12 hours? hmmm.
September 13, 2008 at 05:26ThatDudeI don't think this is working. The more active I've been the more my karma has gone down.
September 13, 2008 at 11:47amixlike i stated before activeness is only one parameter, en example: if friends unfollow you, your karma will be lowered
September 13, 2008 at 16:42skraggysaysya, got hit with negative now too... 9 hours between plurks, lost no friends, lost no fans, even gained one during that period.
September 13, 2008 at 16:45skraggysaysfirst time I've seen a negative number in weeks.
September 13, 2008 at 16:48SarBearamix, I honestly don't think you're listening. People who are active, aren't losing friends/fans/followers are *still* losing karma.
September 13, 2008 at 16:47√dub144saysIts the randomness factor. Happens to me as well. Active, adding friends, changing profile, getting responses, but occasionally lose -.05
September 13, 2008 at 16:50√dub144saysThink that I will live.
September 13, 2008 at 16:49KajisaysTheoretically spamming will get you lowered as well. Too much replying, perhaps?
September 13, 2008 at 17:02√dub144saysNo. But I do have a thread friends have hijacked, and I think folks are muting. Not much I can do tho...
September 13, 2008 at 17:13bunnehsaysi think this is affecting too many people to be dismissed as just 'other factors'. it's all too consistent
September 13, 2008 at 17:20SarBearI agree with bunneh ... 2 users I have on my list are consistent plurkers, have consistent gains in everything, I doubt any losses, and has
September 13, 2008 at 17:20SarBearlost karma. The algo is borked, and I'm tired of getting the runaround about it.
September 19, 2008 at 15:33eztephensurprisingly, my life and the world around me manages to survive without karma. maybe that's true karma, or zen.
October 29, 2008 at 13:52PlurkingPoppaamix: it's you that's full of BS ... the only thing that never breaks around here is the karma penalty.
October 29, 2008 at 15:10CT Scanthinksit's sad that changes were made to reduce the max gains to 0.01 in the middle of this all, yet the loss is still at 0.16
February 24, 2009 at 21:38√dub144saysIts a race that has already been won. So it takes a little longer to get to 100. Good karma will still balance out just below Nirvana. If
February 24, 2009 at 21:38√dub144saysyou go slightly above & beyond, you will pass Nirvana. If you miss a bit, you will fall, but you can get it up again. Taking this WAY too
February 24, 2009 at 21:39√dub144saysseriously. It's meant to be a reinforcement, not something you see a counselor over...