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  • Jane Chin
    something just doesn't jibe with me about the book.
  • D.D. says
    I think I have one but didn't finish reading it just yet ... ooops.
  • Connie
    yes. got a few good ideas out of it but most of it does not apply to average business person.
  • codyrobert says
    yea. it has lots of good information, but a lot of it is also just encouragement. like connie said, not applicable to some
  • onepinktee
    Jane, THANK YOU for saying jibe, not jive...so many people use the wrong word :-)
  • Jane Chin
    i'm looking at the 2 star reviews and admit i identify with many of the reviewers' concerns re: feasibility, ethics.
  • D.D. says
    pritcharddesign, me too. I have so many books and all untouched. Well, think overall about how you can delegate most of the stuff...
  • D.D. says
    and automating most of your process so that it can be autopilot. That's what I can recall but not sure by now. Hv been months ...
  • Jane Chin
    here's my beef with one of the ideas, connie - his suggestion to take mini retirements, picking up and live in a cheaper country. he also
  • Jane Chin
    talks about how it can be great for kids and that it's just an excuse if you don't. huh? IF his system works, then i expect to be able to
  • pritcharddesign
    daringd, It just seems like so many of them are blah blah blah *little piece of good info* blah blah blah
  • Jane Chin
    live in THIS country, have the qual. of life i CHOOSE. isn't what this is supposed to be about? choice?
  • D.D. says
    oh ya the mini retirements part! Geez. I think I better not say words about the book. I must have really forgotten it.
  • Jane Chin
    pritcharddesign yes, you can eat a 4/5 star meal in Brazil for a heck of a lot cheaper than in the US. but suppose i want to live in the US
  • pritcharddesign
    oh yeah, I get that about it being cheaper in other countries, but it seems like a strange thing to set as a goal in a book!
  • pritcharddesign
    I don't care about 4/5 star meals. I care about having a good life where I live!
  • D.D. says
    (g_thinking)
  • Jane Chin
    the "4 hour work week" idea is weird to me. if you love what you do, then you love "working". why not focus on what you love and identify a
  • Jane Chin
    way to earn money from what you love by providing value that benefits others?
  • codyrobert says
    hah janechin i forgot about the mini-retirement part. i think his point is to do get more freetime and do what you want. he likes to travel
  • Jane Chin
    hi codyrobert! miss seeing you here! i suppose if you want free time for leisure and still make a living then 4 hr workweek sounds great.
  • Jane Chin
    for me if i force myself to only "work" 4 hours, i'll feel dead inside. because i do what i love and it keeps me alive and young.
  • pritcharddesign
    those sound like two different lives...two different goals: love to work and work to love
  • Jane Chin
    one of the criticisms of the book is that he assumes all white collar workers hate their jobs and thus should quit and become entrepreneurs
  • Jane Chin
    any time i see gross stereotype, it's a red flag. i think there are people who SHOULD remain employees bc that is what they want and enjoy.
  • D.D. says
    well the path of entrepreneurship is definitely not for just anyone either. BTW, how many thinks that entrepreneurs are born or made?
  • Jane Chin
    daringd I think it is a little of both. (nature and nurture in entrepreneur)
  • pritcharddesign
    agrees, JaneChin. I have a friend who wants to be an employee because she likes being around alot of people, and doesn't want the heavy
  • pritcharddesign
    responsibility of business ownership (she's done it).
  • D.D. says
    ya. i like to think so too, JaneChin. Nature and nurture. Do you think it's possible for someone who doesn't have dramatic hardship to ...
  • onepinktee
    I've owned my own business and I'm definitely happier being an employee
  • D.D. says
    succeed in life/business, and stuff?Cos most typical success stories hv the entrepreneurs struggled like mad then survived ,etc)
  • Jane Chin
    i feel strongly about the importance of BOTH followers AND leaders. our "leadership loving" culture has made followers almost 2nd class and
  • Jane Chin
    this is why we have way too many people wanting to be stars and not enough wanting to be the glue on a team.
  • onepinktee
    I can free up a lot more creativity...and I carry my own loyalty as a big part of my self-identity, so that's a good fit for being an ee
  • D.D. says
    wow, i love wat u said ... "too many ppl want to be stars and not the glue on a team"
  • onepinktee
    good leaders need good followers
  • Jane Chin
    onepinktee i'm glad you honor the difference! we love entrepreneurship and that's great, but not by saying it's THE way2 financial freedom
  • Jane Chin
    daringd that's probably one more criticism i have of this book's assumptions. tell me a person who really made a difference ON EARTH
  • Jane Chin
    (not just in business, not just in his or her life, but in lives of many) - who don't admit to hell hard work.
  • pritcharddesign
    absolutely, the leaders need the followers for all to succeed!
  • Jane Chin
    ... and they love the hard work, and they love the hell that often comes. they see it as worthwhile sacrifice bc they were born to serve.
  • Jane Chin
    pritcharddesign it's very buddhist, actually. you can't understand light until you've been in darkness. if everyone is a "leader", then no
  • Jane Chin
    one is really leading.
  • Jane Chin
    one may argue that we can all lead from our unique strengths, but this requires others to agree to follow while you take the pole position.
  • D.D. says
    ;-) yup agree
  • onepinktee
    thing is,there are always moments for everyday leadership by informalleaders
  • Jane Chin
    (oh, and i mean pole position in the motorcycle grandprix sense, not the jerry springer sense LOL)
  • onepinktee
    I think the real stars are people who can float from following to leading and back
  • Jane Chin
    onepinktee yes! and it requires well developed "emotional intelligence" to know when to lead, when to follow
  • pritcharddesign
    I think that is one key to teamwork...leasing when your specialties are appropriate, and following when someone else's are!
  • Jane Chin
    i agree pritcharddesign. much of our office dysfunction today is bc everyone fights to "lead" (they are trained to want to be visible)]
  • Jane Chin
    i spoke at a conference yrs ago, a doctorate professional said he wants to stay at his level, but peers all drive to become mgr. he fears
  • Jane Chin
    that his desire to stay in his job (bc he loves it) may be seen by company as him being "mediocre".
  • pritcharddesign
    yes, it can be seen as not being ambitious enough to contribute to the company. (g_doh)
  • pritcharddesign
    But I think our whole society is set up so we feel we're supposed to be visible and ambitious
  • D.D. says
    (g_doh) haiz ...
  • D.D. says
    kinda the same thing ... but then another speculation of SG, the ppl are not the "leaders" type. mostly followers so...different type of..
  • Jane Chin
    that's interesting, daringd! it may be cultural as well
  • D.D. says
    imbalance in terms of leaders vs followers thing.ppl here keep working and pretty happy to be employees but inhibit them frm ..
  • D.D. says
    thinking outside the box.
  • D.D. says
    ya! it is definitely cultural thing. and how it's been programmed throughout the whole system
  • D.D. says
    In Indonesia, it's more about survival. Hence there are more people whom I know are doing biz there as it's for survival sake.
  • Jane Chin
    perhaps the school system plays a big role... asian schools mostly about obedience and conformity, at least that was how i remembered it.
  • D.D. says
    As in Singapore, most the people I know are employees, but may be it's just my circle of friends also. I'll never know
  • Jane Chin
    daringd you mean they become biz owners in order to survive? not enough companies, or hard times?
  • pritcharddesign
    I can imagine when you have a survival mindset, you are thinking about the *now* not about a place you might go
  • Jane Chin
    pritcharddesign "survival" is most primal, right? can't be thinking about self actualization or bliss when you need to "get through today"
  • D.D. says
    JaneChin, well, you won't go too far if you are employees in Indo (especially smaller towns), hence ppl will try out on their own...
  • D.D. says
    even though it's just a small shop but at least it's something they have started with.
  • Jane Chin
    that makes sense daringd, esp. if entry barrier (cost of opening biz) can be low.
  • pritcharddesign
    I remember the day when I started taking my career seriously. Up until then, I always just worked to live. hardly comparable to Indonesia,
  • Jane Chin
    what made you change how you saw your career Laura?
  • pritcharddesign
    I think it was a sudden realization that I had control over the fact that I was really unhappy in my job.
  • Jane Chin
    that makes a lot of sense, Laura.
  • pritcharddesign
    Fortunately, I followed through...eventually. ;-)
  • LChamp says
    Do I detect another effort to erode the work ethic by this author?
  • pritcharddesign
    I don't know anything about this author, we were just discussing the book.
  • Kellye_Crane says
    Late to the thread, but I'll note that I read this book and though I don't subscribe to much of what he suggests, I found it useful for
  • Kellye_Crane says
    getting me to think in different ways (brainstorming about direction, etc.). For folks at a fork in the road, may be worth a read.
  • raspberryfox says
    yes. It's interesting but I think you're alrady doing a lot of the techniques he suggests. I'd borrow it from the library.
  • raspberryfox says
    he can work 4 hours a week because he put in a LOT of work upfront and everyone is now buying his book. (g_lol)
  • Jane Chin
    Kellye yes, for brainstorming and new ideas, impt not to discriminate material. that was what i was looking for, as well, but realized that
  • Jane Chin
    many of his approach is either unimplementable for my life (with a husband who loves his job and a newborn to care for) or a bit concerning
  • raspberryfox
    agrees: it's not do-able for my life either and doesn't sit well with my values (which physically gives me a tummy ache thinking about it0
  • hsienlei says
    nope. what i've read of the author annoys me.

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