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  • ThoughtWrong thinks
    that we actually have many. I have a kid and family and I know that is one of mine for sure
  • ThoughtWrong
    however I know that there is more that I must be doing and growing upon in order to achieve a higher understanding of the things that be
  • ThoughtWrong
    If in fact we do only have one life purpose then that purpose would have to be "our entire life"
  • Jane Chin
    thoughtwrong I think we have many as well, but often we are led to believe there is 'ONE calling', therefore attempt to find what this is
  • rosasay says
    I agree w/thoughtwrong that we have many. Human beings have amazing capacity and abundance
  • rosasay says
    janechin I give people "calling coaching" but w/intention to help them focus and enjoy their current passions, not to restrict them
  • AbleReach says
    I've had a few, & right now have lost track. Maybe that means I'm between "one" purposes, or maybe my meaning of life gene is on sabbatical
  • Jane Chin
    rosasay i used to provide "core essence coaching", which i learned from someone who created process to identify a person's "core essence"
  • AbleReach says
    I do think we're generally healthier when we have a guiding center
  • Jane Chin
    it sounds similar to your aim as well, to focus on current passions
  • sonnygill
    i don't think we have one purpose in life. i dont expect to have one sole purpose in life but many that can effect myself and others equally
  • rosasay says
    kinda connected to that other talk-story we had about remaining present vs eternally onto the next thing
  • Jane Chin
    ok guys then help me understand this: why are we conditioned to ask this question "what should I do with my life and how do I get there?"
  • Jane Chin
    don't you think implicit in this question is "the one thing to do that is RIGHT" if not doing it, then you're not living your potential?
  • ThoughtWrong
    well what you should do with your life is a great question because if you do nothing with it then was it not a waste
  • ThoughtWrong
    however "What should I do with my life never implies that there is only one thing you should be doiung
  • ThoughtWrong
    ex: What should I do with my life. Well I want to have kids, get married move to california have a great job as a computer guru, etc
  • rosasay says
    thestrangers Aloha. Your "cultural thing" comment is interesting to me: Can you share more?
  • ThoughtWrong thinks
    "What should I do with my life" translates to "What are my short, medium, and longterm goals" thats GOAL**S** with a plural
  • Glyphrunner says
    we're raised from birth to be better and more advanced than our parents. They demand that we find our way and calling to be better than they
  • Jane Chin
    thoughtwrong, did you come to this multi-goal conclusion for yourself, or did you understand that the question is about multiple goals?
  • Glyphrunner says
    personally, I have been searching for my purpose beyond raising my daughter. I don't seem to really have one. I don't impact the world.
  • Jane Chin
    rosasay i was also curious about the cultural aspect, because that can be very influential.
  • Jane Chin
    glyphrunner you don't think that raising your child is a critical and extremely importance purpose in itself? (i'm asking also as a new mom
  • Jane Chin
    dealing with a transitioning identity from career/bizwoman to new mom)
  • rosasay says
    glyphrunner I think you probably impact the world more than you realize, e.g. as Jane says about child-raising, & so many more ways
  • Glyphrunner says
    oh no, I definitely think that's extremely important, but it has really become my one and only purpose: provide for and raise daughter.
  • sonnygill
    agrees with thestrangers - its a part of the 'plan' and what we're 'supposed' to do
  • Jane Chin
    thestrangers thank you for bringing this point! US is indeed very identity focused. Can you give some examples of other cultures and how
  • Jane Chin
    they may answer this question (or if they even need to ask the question)
  • Jane Chin
    rosasay but I understand where glyphrunner is coming from. it has been ridiculous for me when my identity suddenly changed from
  • Jane Chin
    "head of corp" to "mom 1.0"
  • sonnygill
    doesnt mean you're not living to your potential if you don't follow a specific plan but you're just taking your own route.
  • Glyphrunner says
    unless she or one of her descendants does something amazing or life/world altering, I can't see that I've done much for the world.
  • ThoughtWrong says
    well janechin, I just know that in the beginning you asked why we are set to chose only one life purpose
  • ThoughtWrong says
    then you say the comment of "what should I do with my life?" I see that as asking what are my goals in life
  • gwfrink3 says
    can we not seek to be "centered," yet practice acceptance, so that we may serve many purposes, as they emerge?
  • ThoughtWrong says
    and that in retrospectnever asks for only one. had you said "what one thing should I do with my life?" that would be a different story
  • Jane Chin
    sonnygill in the US society though, "having a plan" is almost expected. if you don't have a plan, then people will think you're lazy or
  • Jane Chin
    glyphrunner the challenge though, is that sometimes we are catalysts for other people doing amazing things, and we may never even know it.
  • ThoughtWrong says
    "If you fail to plan, you plan to fail"
  • rosasay says
    thank you for the insight thestranger - I have Russian ancestors! It is true that the "American dream" pushes accomplishment
  • Jane Chin
    thoughtwrong I see how you're interpreting it. When I first saw the question, though, I thought about "one overarching thing in life"
  • Jane Chin
    versus many goals. perhaps up to individual interpretation of question?
  • Jane Chin
    gwfrink3 i have a feeling it's hard to be "centered" when we are conditioned in a society to be "self-centered"
  • Jane Chin
    thestrangers when you say there is less compartmentalization, do you mean people see their work=life?
  • rosasay says
    re identity change JaneChin tell me about it! Must say you have "worn it well" my friend
  • rosasay says
    gwfrink3 you have a good point about acceptance... it is an abundance and not scarcity mentality. "And" instead of "either/or"
  • Jane Chin says
    ablereach perhaps you are in transition and therefore "state of formlessness"
  • Jane Chin says
    rosasay the identity change was when I decided to spend 1 year and participate in bb's life. as result, made drastic cuts to biz life.
  • Jane Chin says
    although i chose, i quickly realized how ingrained my "biz/career" roles were a part of my identity, including $ earned.
  • Jane Chin says
    talk about the "western, objective form of thinking"; a philosopher I knew said I was a master of it.
  • Jane Chin says
    (the opposite would be the "eastern, subjective type of thinking")
  • rosasay says
    janechin One of the best gifts I ever got from my son was his statement that being a working mom made me the kind of mom he needed to have
  • rosasay says
    that work-family balance forces choices continually, and I think our kids watch how we make them versus what they end up to be
  • rosasay says
    versus what the choice ends up to be that is, not the child!
  • rosasay says
    ah gassho you seem to be taking us into the strengths-mgt, innate talent discussion now, another fascinating one to have!
  • Jane Chin
    rosasay I agree. children watch adults and either directly or indirectly adopt their values
  • Jane Chin
    interesting analogy with gems, gassho! i like it.
  • rosasay says
    that's what my son meant I think Jane: luckily, the work both I and their dad did gave my kids a healthy attitude about the workplace
  • rosasay says
    gassho agree, thus I have always liked the word "calling" that Jane somewhat started us talking here with. it implies you must listen
  • rosasay says
    ...listen to your own voice, own talent, own curiosity and imagination, own creative urge
  • rosasay says
    mahalo thestrangers Now back to the mom thing, have to step away for a moment to put a load of laundry in!
  • Jane Chin
    gassho perhaps we may confuse ourselves with what we're really looking for. gem qualities? or how the gem reflects in the outside world.
  • Jane Chin
    gassho the gem talk reminded of a workshop I took years ago, it seems to be based on the DISC theory but the person used gems
  • Jane Chin
    (like diamonds, rubies, emeralds, sapphires etc)
  • Jane Chin
    oh wait, there are no diamonds (on purpose)
  • Jane Chin
    thestrangers it tries to describe your personal type based on a precious stone. for example if you are ruby then you would be this way,
  • Jane Chin
    but if you are an emerald then you would be that way.
  • JohnnyRokkit says
    I don't believe anyone has any specific purpose intended for us. Circumstances, motivation, happenstance is all there is. :-)
  • Jane Chin
    (and not with a spiritual dimension as gassho may be talking about)
  • Jane Chin
    brb I need to feed bb!
  • rosasay thinks
    my gem is a lava rock :-) Like the thought of my essence being the aloha spirit...a good goal for me to have, always
  • AsKatKnits thinks
    we have a purpose, but it is not always the same
  • Myrnaslist says
    Eckhart Tolle says are primary purpose is to be a shining light for the next person-doesn't matter what you 'do'(your everyday business is)
  • Myrnaslist says
    its the same no matter-be sharing, caring and loving with compassion to all peoples of the world.
  • Myrnaslist says
    probably more than Tolle says that
  • Jane Chin
    Tolle is a good representative for being present and with as little ego as humanly possible.
  • Jane Chin
    i loved what he said to someone asking him (via O's webcast when i was following it) how being present jives with having goals and planning
  • Jane Chin
    for the future (people tend to think one precludes the other)
  • Jane Chin
    and he said something like, to be able to plan for the future and be present while doing the planning, and without attachment to the future
  • Jane Chin
    (i'm totally butchering it, just how i interpreted the answer)
  • LindaZ says
    oh no... you ask this question... my niche when I am not around.-lol- oh well I promise to read later and respond to you all, xoxz
  • LindaZ says
    The Purpose Connector
  • Jane Chin
    lindazimmer i thought your coaching specialty was something along these lines!
  • Jane Chin
    the plurk will be around, some of us had life stuff to tend to so it's kind of like a revolving impromptu philosophy seminar LOL
  • LindaZ says
    I am a business coach whose niche is to take people through a process of 5 methods to find their life purpose, then I support them in...
  • LindaZ says
    bringing one of the 3 facets of purpose (which I call their purpose process) into their business and or their personal life.
  • LindaZ says
    This will make their business life easier, probably more profitable, they will be happier, in alignments with what they do everyday... and
  • LindaZ says
    most important they will feel freedom and totally self-espressed
  • gwfrink3 says
    yes rosasay, it is an abundance/acceptance centeredness, in some regards an activist approach to Myrnaslist "shining light."
  • LindaZ
    most people when they talk about purpose, are really talking about mission... while that is part of the equation there is more to it...
  • Bakla says
    this plurk reminds me of that song from Avenue Q titled "Purpose"
  • LindaZ
    I need to go back and read what each of you have plurked here, will do that overnight ... this is a conversation I would love to play in w/U
  • DSN
    life exists. what happens happens.
  • DebInAustin says
    I think we have multiple life purposes and that they may change with different phases of our lives.
  • Jane Chin
    darn if i had plurk years ago, i could have saved myself a ton of trouble and got my answers right here ;-)
  • LivSimpl.com says
    (As in, yes, I believe there is a single purpose.)
  • Sir Proudgamer
    Nope to "be" that is what we are here for. Some people have driven themselves insane searching for more
  • Sir Proudgamer
    Jane, I think the desire to be important is as strong a desire as the desire to be loved. Even if it just means being important to a few
  • Sir Proudgamer
    The idea that someone was created with a goal would aid the feeling of importance
  • pritcharddesign
    hi Jane! you stole my question! :-)) Wasn't here, so now I have to read through another long janechin discussion!
  • LivSimpl.com says
    Similar to Abbreviated, I found it through my particular faith. I believe there is a God and he hasn't just left us down here...
  • LivSimpl.com says
    ... but has a plan for us. As we work toward fulfilling that plan, we find purpose, happiness and direction.
  • Sir Proudgamer
    This is interesting, I think that the answer is going to vary from religion to religion
  • Glyphrunner says
    I definitely do not see it as a religious question as I have no religion to speak of. I see it as a personal philosophy and priorities.
  • Sir Proudgamer
    Allow me to clarify I do not consider this a religious question, however I think some religions will have a specific answer to this
  • Jane Chin
    i also see it as a philosophical question, although given the nature of philosophy is to find the "truth" and religions claim to have the
  • Jane Chin
    "truth", they may be related and relevant depending on the individual.
  • Hope says
    You know, I've spent most of my life thinking/feeling that, and feeling like I'm chasing my tail and am clueless.
  • Hope says
    Could this be why I rarely feel great happiness?
  • Hope says
    I've always had this feeling like I don't know what my purpose in life is.
  • pritcharddesign
    I think purpose in life comes from within. What your core beliefs are, what do you want out of life, what is your nature. The job you get or
  • pritcharddesign
    whether you have children, take care of your parents, contribute to the world as a whole, is how you apply the purpose. Is your purpose to
  • pritcharddesign
    develop something that will affect the world, or that will keep your family healthy and whole? Do you thrive energy and conflict, or are you
  • pritcharddesign
    someone who is introspective and spiritual? How will you apply your nature? Purpose does not have to be one thing for now or forever.
  • pritcharddesign
    It can and probably will change and grow as you change and grow. I think frustration comes when someone is not fully in touch with who they
  • pritcharddesign
    are, what's important to them as an individual, where they fit into the world or their community. Or if they are transitioning due to
  • pritcharddesign
    growth, setback, internal or external change, or the end of a previous purpose.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    I believe the answers to life - Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where am I going? - have been answered. Then again, I'm religious.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    Re-reading that it may have come across as snooty - that wasn't my intention! :-)
  • Hope says
    Very interesting conversation here, that's for sure. I needed this today, too. :-)
  • Jane Chin
    HopeWilbanks part of the reason may be because you haven't yet decided what happiness means to you, or what purpose you will choose.
  • Jane Chin
    I think you raised a good point livsimpl - those who have a guiding principle via religion or spiritual belief free up that energy to do...
  • Jane Chin
    but if you do not have this,or if you feel that purpose is something you "find", then you spend energy looking for it, or determining it.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    So Jane, if I understand you correctly, those who have a guiding principle/religion/faith are able to act on that...
  • LivSimpl.com says
    ...while others are still seeking?
  • Jane Chin
    not exactly; i am not sure religion precludes the desire to search.
  • Jane Chin
    but it can reduce some anxiety and doubt during the search (i.e. god has a plan for me)
  • Hope says
    I agree with JaneChin. I am a deeply religious person, full of faith, but that hasn't stopped me from feeling like I'm missing something.
  • Hope says
    My faith in God definitely secures me, though.
  • Jane Chin
    HopeWilbanks not to put thoughts in god's mind but... god did give man the ability to invent the word, "Why" :-)
  • Hope says
    I believe that, too, David. And I came back to say that I think a lot of my "issues" stem from the fact that I went from.....
  • Hope says
    Being a very independent, in control of my world, kind of gal, to married, with 2 kids and a stay at home mom
  • Hope says
    I lost my independence and lost myself in the process
  • Hope says
    Now both are in school, and I'm in school, working on earning my degree so I can teach.
  • Hope says
    In some ways, I feel like I am on the path to feeling like I have purpose again.
  • Hope says
    Does this even make any sense?
  • LivSimpl.com says
    Matt - That's an excellent talk.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    (aside - I'm getting a weird error)
  • LivSimpl.com says
    HopeWillbanks - my impression is that you see your identity as coming from your education/career...
  • LivSimpl.com says
    ...not as a wife/mother. Is that accurate?
  • Hope says
    Maybe so. I think I've felt like I've been defined by my motherhood for so long that I lost *ME*.
  • Hope says
    I love being a wife and mother, but I want more out of life than just that.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    Conversely, then, are you defined by your career? Your ed degrees? Or is that *the* question? :-)
  • Hope says
    I'd have to say no, since I don't have any degrees just yet.
  • Hope says
    That's just it.....I don't know what defines me. :-D
  • Jane Chin
    HopeWilbanks and livsimpl I've been dealing with this very topic this year; identity as wife/mother and where "career/biz" role fits
  • Jane Chin
    and I already KNOW that getting a degree doesn't make me get closer to life purpose
  • Jane Chin
    (much to my chagrin)
  • Hope says
    I think that's what I'm counting on....a career making me feel important/with purpose again.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    "The most important work you will ever do is within the walls of your own home."
  • pritcharddesign
    I think a career can give your life purpose, depending on what it is and what it means to you.
  • Hope says
    True, LivSimple.com but sometimes you need more than that.
  • Jane Chin
    you know what the funny thing is, is that I already know the answer, but doesn't mean I know how to execute on the answers that I know!
  • Hope says
    What happens when my kids are grown and gone? I'm left an old, angry woman b/c I lived my life feeling like something was missing?
  • Te-ge says
    Hope I have a degree, I am a wife and mother, and none of them made me content. My husband kept encouraging me to follow my heart...
  • Jane Chin
    I took this topic, wrote a speech in '07 and competed with it in a toastmasters competition, and the speech ended with my answers
  • Jane Chin
    (wanna see the speech transcript?)
  • Te-ge
    and after trying writing (what everyone else wanted me to do), finally this year I decided to take my hobby and the one thing ...
  • Hope says
    I'd be very interested in hearing that speech Jane
  • Hope says
    YES, please!? :-)
  • Hope says
    So what did you do Teeg?
  • Hope says
    My husband encourages me too. I just DON'T KNOW what will finally ever make me happy.
  • Te-ge
    I couldn't give up, and turn it into a business. Friends say I'm doing what I was born to do, and they're right. I LOVE everything I do now.
  • Hope says
    Most of the time I feel like I don't have any direction in life.
  • Jane Chin
    ... "I am That I believe I am. My self esteem does not sway to criticism or flattery.
  • Te-ge
    laughs thought I mentioned (must have erased it) that the thing I couldn't give up was teaching about and studying social media. :-)
  • Jane Chin
    " I have crystal clear vision of my true self even if I can’t see where life takes me.
  • Jane Chin
    I believe success and strength come from living in integrity. I am not here - as you are not here - to live up to expectations.
  • Jane Chin
    " I am here to experience and to enjoy life.
  • Jane Chin
    (skip a few stanzas)
  • Jane Chin
    "It took a decade for me to open my eyes and see my two selves. A false self that feeds in darkness,
  • Jane Chin
    "and a true self that gives the light of the heart.
  • Hope says
    I paused reading to come say that I don't think I have ever just sat down and wrote out my beliefs. Maybe that's a good place to start.
  • Hope says
    I also think I *really* need to first learn how to allow myself/what I do to be good enough.
  • Hope says
    I am VERY critical of myself and everything I do. And this came to light last week, when...
  • Hope says
    I made a 100 on a paper, but I still wasn't happy with it. My husband flipped out. "If you aren't happy with a PERFECT grade," he said....
  • Hope says
    "Then when will you ever be happy with your work?"
  • Hope says
    But even though I made a 100 on that paper, I felt like it wasn't good enough. I didn't feel like I earned or deserved the 100.
  • Te-ge shares
    with Hope one of my favorite quotes: “What do you fear my lady?"
  • Te-ge
    "A cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond beyond recall or desire.”
  • Hope says
    I'm not sure I ever could be satisfied with less than 100% janechin
  • Hope says
    That's my problem. I need to learn to be satisfied. I need to learn that it's "enough," whether it is or isn't
  • Te-ge
    It's something I hold on to when I start feeling the "justs": I'm just a wife, I'm just this, I'm just that. I refuse to live in a cage!
  • Hope says
    I think I've put myself in a cage, locked it, and tossed the key into the ocean, Teeg
  • LivSimpl.com says
    For what it's worth, I believe motherhood is a divine calling. I have the utmost respect for women who sacrifice their plans/careers...
  • LivSimpl.com says
    ... to raise a strong family.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    It takes a lot of courage and love to do it.
  • Te-ge says
    LivSimpl If you feel like **just** a mom and wife, then you're sacrificing more than plans/career, you're sacrificing yourself.
  • Jane Chin
    HopeWilbanks I understand what you mean, and you may not need to "learn", satisfaction, this is something you get to choose.
  • LivSimpl.com says
    Teeg But would someone feel like *just* a doctor/lawyer/profession if that were the case? If so, I think it's more a matter...
  • LivSimpl.com says
    ...of self-esteem than direction/purpose.
  • Te-ge
    LivSimpl.com Even the Proverbs 31 woman had a business. :-) Your last plurk is on following your dreams. Shouldn't that be for everyone?
  • Jane Chin
    it's that word "just" that Teeg stated, implicit is a reduction, like "i'm just XYZ (aand not MORE)"
  • Te-ge
    JaneChin, Ozegold used to lecture re being *just* anything. Recently he asked me again who I am, and I realized I'm not *just* anymore. :-)
  • LivSimpl.com
    Teeg Everyone should be able to follow their dreams. But, to me, my dreams aren't synonymous with my purpose in life.
  • LivSimpl.com
    E.g. If I dream of running a marathon someday, or starting a multi-billion $ business, etc., that isn't my purpose in life. It's my dream.
  • LivSimpl.com
    I hope that's not getting down to semantics too much. :-)
  • Te-ge says
    Livsimpl.com Interesting! My dreams **are** my purpose in life. How do you accomplish your purpose if you don't dream about it?
  • Jane Chin
    hm... then we need to define dreams and purpose, for some it's synonymous for others mean diff things
  • Jane Chin
    purpose is like your "essence" and dreams are diff. ways you want to manifest or express your essence.
  • AnitaK says
    hope do you want your kids to grow up under such pressure, see you stressing, would you be happy if your kids got 90s, or 80s or only 100s?
  • kingz jewel
    i think we are all born with one major purpose, but with assigned missions to get that purpose fulfilled
  • SharonHH says
    I think we have a purpose; sometimes it's clear, sometimes not, but I think it also evolves with you
  • Hope says
    I only expect my kids to do their best AnitaK. If my DD brings home 80, and I *know* that she knew the material, then it wouldn't be enough
  • Hope says
    But no, I would never want them to grow up feeling like I feel.
  • Hope says
    And that's what scares me, b/c I've felt like this my ENTIRE life b/c I was never good enough for my mother
  • Hope says
    (Sorry if I'm driving this Plurk off-topic....don't mean to)
  • Jane Chin
    HopeWilbanks not off topic at all, in fact, much of our self perception comes from relationships with parents.
  • Hope says
    That is my one and only fear....that I will inadvertently do to my daughter what my mom did to me.
  • Jane Chin
    HopeWilbanks then your priority is to give yourself the same kind of love that you want to give to your daughter.
  • Jane Chin
    let yourself off the hook sometime, allow yourself to not know the answer, aim to make a few mistakes on purpose.
  • LindaZ says
    I need help and it is totally in alignment with this thread, I am speaking on Thurs about my purpose coaching practice
  • LivSimpl.com wonders
    if there's a limit to the number of plurks per thread... :-)
  • LindaZ
    You would really be helping me... if you answer the question I pose in that thread... I promise in the future to answer them...
  • LindaZ
    maybe a plurkshop
  • LivSimpl.com
    Teeg I see dreams as things that can be achieved and checked off, and a purpose as something that spans your life...
  • Jane Chin
    lindazimmer i added to your new plurk. i thought about that question and didn't want to add another one to this; too much ground cover.
  • LivSimpl.com
    ...otherwise when you build your billion $ company, or run your marathon, you're suddenly left without purpose.
  • Jane Chin
    livsimpl i believe we witness a degree of what you described in today's celebs.
  • Jane Chin
    these are people who have"made it" with their passion (ex. artists, actors, etc who followed their dreams and got the big break), but this
  • Jane Chin
    doesn't mean they are "centered" or "anchored". hence you see celebs like madonna getting into kabalah
  • Jane Chin
    looking for a "higher" purpose, a place beyond just their "ego" self.
  • LivSimpl.com
    Right. In general, I think people look for purpose/direction/happiness in places that can't truly give it to them.
  • LivSimpl.com
    Money, fame, work... not that those things are necessarily bad, but they shouldn't be the reason for anyone's existence.
  • raspberryfox wonders
    if looking for 'a life purpose' takes me away from actually doing and achieving something important.
  • Jane Chin
    raspberryfox yes, seeking can become a distraction from experiencing in some cases.
  • Jane Chin
    bulletz I believe similiarly; and as echoed by some here, that one has a "center" and from this can manifest differently per phase of life.
  • ForgeAus thinks
    we probably create our own purpose...
  • Jane Chin
    forgeagus it depends on how you define purpose but you're not alone in thinking it! Rudolf Steiner says once you connect with the highest
  • Jane Chin
    level of thinking, you become truly free, and therefore can choose your purpose in this "state" of freedom.
  • LivSimpl.com
    But what defines a "higher level of thinking"? Isn't there always a new trend/philosophy just around the corner?
  • Jane Chin
    this one has been around a while (anthroposophy); Steiner died in 1925.
  • pLoon
    joins the conversation very late. Reading what people wrote. Fascinating stuff. Definitely finding a higher purpose for Plurking! :-D
  • pLoon wonders
    if perhaps the purpose of life is to find one's purpose in life and strive to fulfill that purpose.
  • pLoon says
    at the same time, I don't think humans are simple enough to really have just one purpose? Unless it is one purpose "theme" with many facets.
  • Jane Chin
    i agree ploon, in my case i suspect the act of seeking is the very thing i'm seeking, as it leads me to new directions.

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