| DebInAustin | says | OK. I'm here! |
| Jane Chin | welcome! my first time hosting a Plurkshop and I hope I'm doing this right. First topic to cover: |
| Jane Chin | 1) How do we know when our content has been ripped off (without attribution or even with attribution if used in questionable fashion) |
| DebInAustin | says | yeah just keep going Jane. Folks will jump in. |
| gassho | says | i'm listenin' |
| beminedesign | *raises hand* |
| gassho | asks | is that a ? you'll be answering or can anyone? |
| Jane Chin | says | the way I found out in most cases is through Google Alerts keyword "jane chin". Many of you may do this already |
| DebInAustin | says | usually in a plurkshop we just jump in and ask questions. |
| jaheed | says | Hey everyone. |
| gassho | says | you also see pingbacks on your blog admin, or cmnts that pass filters. |
| gassho | says | i've found some googling my name, which like jane's alerts. |
| Sir Proudgamer | A friend had art stolen once, she was tipped off about the rip off by a friend on Deviant Art |
| beminedesign | asks | how does that work gassho? |
| beminedesign | asks | some photographers have lawyers on retainer just to watch ouot for copyright infringement |
| Teeg | asks | how much of a blog post are you counting as splogging? The entire post or some of the post? |
| Jane Chin | proudgamer good point; my husband has battled image theft for years (usually as ebay product images) and he gets tipped off by his fans. |
| Jane Chin | otherwise he wouldn't even know about it |
| beminedesign | asks | but if it's an outright steal JaneChin, it wouldn't have your name. |
| Jane Chin | pritcharddesign i can totally see how that becomes a natural business expense (photogs retaining IP lawyers) |
| DebInAustin | says | what does your husband do Jane? |
| Jane Chin | DebInDenver he is a rocket scientist, but has gear design as hobby and therefore lots of pics to go with it. |
| DebInAustin | says | I see. |
| gassho | says | pritcharddesign if they've linked to u in the splog, it shows as pinback, usually filters catch it, then you follow link to offending site |
| Jane Chin | %pritcharddesign good point: if someone wants to take it outright your name wouldn't be seen at all. then how to detect this? |
| jaheed | says | I have several measures of tracking content and notice folks google my name "A LOT" which is startling. Why me. |
| jaheed | says | I think my searches come from folks trying to find out more about the company. |
| Jane Chin | another way I've found is through a service called "copyscape" anyone use this? |
| beminedesign | wonders | maybe adding your name hidden in code so it'll still come up in search?? |
| gassho | says | i had a case where it linked back to me, but they credited a bogus name. entire content was splogged. |
| DebInAustin | says | I've never heard of copyscape, but I am new to the term splogging as well. |
| Sir Proudgamer | no, not yet anyway |
| gassho | says | heard of copyspace. nothing is 100% tho. |
| Jane Chin | in academia, many are using TurnItIn but it's not free unfortunately |
| Jane Chin | copyscape.com/ is a good quick&dirty tool to see blatant rips |
| Connie | Some sploggers or content scrapers feel there's nothing wrong with what they do if they include a link back to you. (I disagree.) |
| Jane Chin | (copyscape.com is also unfortunately not 100% free) but at least give limited results |
| gassho | says | SPAM + BLOG = SPLOG. wiki article tinyurl.com/2v4up3 |
| Teeg | says | doing google searches for specific quotes from your posts also works |
| gassho | says | mine have been taken in full. |
| Connie | has | anyone confronted a splogger about stealing their content? |
| Jane Chin | usually met with resounding silence IF their email is even listed |
| Jane Chin | here is my original plurk thread re: my event with a splogger: www.plurk.com/p/21aoq |
| gassho | says | i haven't done anything thus far. the only one that disturbs me is 1 that comes up in google under my name. |
| Connie | I accidentally commented on a splog the other day, and it made me so mad. |
| gassho | says | and that one they turned test into gibberish |
| Jane Chin | my articles shouldn't be there anymore, but basically: I wrote articles for a very new website of mine, within days I found a site with >50% |
| Jane Chin | of my article pasted on their "business opportunities" page |
| Jane Chin | (which was choking with advertisements) |
| Jane Chin | I made a comment to the splog post requesting that comments be made on MY WEBSITE. within hours a splog comment was added as if someone is |
| Jane Chin | responding to my comment, which just helped the splog post. |
| gassho | says | yes i'm going to start the long drawn out process w/google. it was a guest post for Liz Strauss so maybe i'll alert her too. |
| Connie | I thought I was commenting on the original post; hit the splog by mistake.  |
| Connie | Article by Lorelle, a WordPress expert on identify and fighting splogs: lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/how-to-spot-a-splog/ |
| Jane Chin | what's the problem? |
| gassho | says | yeah i wouldn't engage sploggers publicly by cmnting. |
| gassho | says | connie that's a great article i just googled. |
| Connie | Problem is that they're stealing traffic - few people if any are going to click back to the real author's site. |
| Jane Chin | great resource@connie I'm bookmarking that one by lorelle |
| gassho | says | no i don't think this type of exposure is good at all. confusing to your audience for one... |
| Connie | and most of them are link farms or ad sites, so they're making revenue off your content. |
| Sir Proudgamer | If there is a prominent link back I suppose it can be good publicity, but how often do Sploggers do that? |
| beminedesign | says | agree with Connie, especially if they're trying to pass it off as their own! |
| gassho | & in the case of gibberish text well need i say more? |
| EagleHawk | says | I work for a webhosting company in the abuse department, and I know it is against our aup to host a splog. |
| gassho | prominent? then it wouldn't be a splog...i mean who wants their name associated w/a trashy site? |
| Connie | Yes, they make money if they're running Google ad sense or other link ads. That's the main purpose for the splog: make money. |
| gassho | yes ppl splog for $$$ |
| Bakla | just got in (using plurkify rooms) |
| Connie | EagleHawke Does it do any good to complain to a web hosting site about a splog? How would you know where splog is hosted? |
| ThoughtWrong |  just got here guys, sorry late |
| Jane Chin | removed the splogs |
| EagleHawk | first find out the IP of the splog. using windows do nslookup domain.com |
| ThoughtWrong | shares | that splogs can get high SEO which in turn means high traffic |
| Bakla | agrees with thoughtwrong |
| ThoughtWrong | shares | part of SEO is sites linking to yours and you linking back to theirs, thats what search engines look for |
| EagleHawk | then find out who the owner of the ip is and report it to their abuse@ address. |
| Jane Chin | shares | a twilight zone moment when a splog that took my content got ripped off by another splog LOL |
| ThoughtWrong | says | if you let their comment appear on your page w/ the link back to their site then its like a big bump in the search engines |
| Jane Chin | says | i thought i was in a spy v. spy mad comic strip. |
| EagleHawk | It does matter to some providers, I know it matters to mine. |
| Bakla | Have you guys checked if your images were also copied onto splogs (and even hotlinked)? |
| ThoughtWrong | says |  thoughtwrong loves Spy v. Spy , nice reference janechin |
| Connie | I imagine it matters to most hosting providers. They have a reputation to maintain and don't want to anger their customers. |
| EagleHawk | I have blog.deadspammerssociety.info/ where I'm half way done with all the details of how to report splogs. |
| gwfrink3 | says | yes it certainly matters to us. |
| ThoughtWrong | shares | that in WP and other CMS you can see from the dash board what sites are linking to you, analytics will also do this |
| beminedesign | asks | if you leave a comment with a link to your original blog, will that raise their SEO? |
| gassho | so do a whois lookup? |
| gassho | no if you allow their pingback on you blog |
| Jane Chin | says | got IMMEDIATE response. but this is rare, bc the owner seemed to want to do "some" honest biz or wouldn't put picture/email/addy there |
| EagleHawk | says | It really depends on the provider, but as splogging becomes more and more popular (per se) more providers are waking up to the problem. |
| Bakla | says | I changed the filename in the wp-content directory so their site now displays an x mark |
| gassho | i don't think it matters to a webhost in china or russia. not being non-pc but that's where most offensive content is hosted these day. |
| beminedesign | says | excellent JaneChin. You almost *have* to send letter from atty if they're violating your photog contract. |
| Jane Chin | says | the site seemed to have diff. contributors, copying and pasting from diff sources and displaying on the site. |
| Jane Chin | says | but i'm sure none of us are going to get a % of the profits generated by the ad revenues from part of our content,in my case>50% of article. |
| Teeg | says | actually, it looks like about half their posts are original..all the ones written by the wife. They also have a PR of 6. |
| gwfrink3 | says | thus far I haven't had to haul anyone into court (crosses available fingers and toes). |
| EagleHawk | you really don't *have* to have an attorney do it the first time. Here is how to send DMCA notices tinyurl.com/5rlcfa |
| gwfrink3 | says | pressured to thief. I wish she were with us to report on that. Loss of content to a splog in China, for example, poses special difficulties. |
| gassho | i've 1 article that's been in every article bank for yrs now, haven't done anything. splogs are the new face of scraping. |
| Jane Chin | but again, my experience in this one case is unique in that the owner appears to want legitimacy thus share contact info. Most splogs aren't |
| DebInAustin | says | so is there "splogging by accident?" |
| Teeg | says | DebInDenver splogging is usually defined as a site stealing a blog post in order to make money or gain rank from it. |
| ThoughtWrong | thinks | that some sites are complete scraping bots and it dosent matter what content they get, those are the ones to look out for the most |
| gassho | by accident? i don't think so. in jane's case for e.g. he could've emld & started a relationship. |
| Jane Chin | says | I can say that microbusinessmentor.com hasn't benefited as my original article didn't have comments coming from people who say "i read it |
| Jane Chin | says | on that other blog and this is what I think" |
| gassho | article banks incl yours w/o contacting you=old face of scraping, imho. |
| Teeg | says | some copy posts without the intent, but that's more of a copyright or plagiarism issue. |
| gwfrink3 | says | the only "by accident" I can think of is an improperly debugged robot run amok. Good faith requires correcting that without being asked. |
| Jane Chin | versus the way this plurker/twitter did it with one of my articles: is.gd/1dGk |
| gassho | i haven't done anything jane b/c they use the old link back is credit enough, there are too many & in this case my content gets exposure. |
| Jane Chin | this reminds me of another plurkshop on "who owns the conversation". I think those of us in niche markets and building personal brands NEEDS |
| Jane Chin | to own the conversation at least at the beginning to gain traction. |
| gassho | we covered how to know u've been splogged; is it good exposure or wrong; do we confront. |
| gassho | think we need more on how to confront... |
| gwfrink3 | says | that looks like a straightforward taking, not an accident, unless you granted permission. |
| Jane Chin | any other methods you can think of? |
| gwfrink3 | says | if you aren't at home with copyright law, I think involving an attorney is usually wise. |
| Jane Chin | (true splog I've found you can't find the person so aim for the webhost/ISP) as previously suggested |
| Teeg | says | I've noticed that many big bloggers ignore sploggers for the most part. If you write a big post, some people will copy word for word. |
| Connie | I think some ppl view splogs as inescapable, like email spam. |
| Jane Chin | unless I"m wrong and it helps me in some way, then I'm all for it. |
| gassho | here's a case from today, a twist where a co. that does digital sigs on nondisclosures and such, used the workflow graffic a blogger posted |
| gassho | and all her ideas on their own blog, didn't contact blogger or eml her, or cmnt on her original post. |
| gwfrink3 | says | thinking back on what I said earlier, daily newspaper experience in these issues give me a leg up possibly not shared by all. |
| gassho | she saw the linkback in her dashbaors & is pretty resigned to it...common courtesy, c'mon! and this is a company. |
| Connie | Think we should point out difference between plagiarism and splogs, which are mostly created by bots and feeds. |
| gassho | don't think feds take spam seriously, there isn't will there at all. neither will splogs be taken seriously. it's up to us. |
| Jane Chin | is | grateful for your participation and input here! have to feed the baby, but please feel free to continue the discussion.  |
| beminedesign | says | thanks JaneChin |
| DebInAustin | says | great job JaneChin! Thank you for leading this and sharing your expertise with us! |
| gassho | plagiarism would be all about content. splog has intention of making $...hard to tell w/some splogs tho b/c $ is on other linked pages... |
| Teeg | says | Interesting discussion. Thanks for leading it, JaneChin.  |
| EagleHawk | gassho have to disagree with you there is a will to fight email spam at the fed level. look at spamsuite.com splogs will never be a crime |
| affiliatecoffee | says | i completely missed the discussion - my apoligies..here are my thoughts on it. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | there is little we can do at the moment to stop sploggers - some cases report them if using free wordpress or blogger account. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | and in some cases - go legal route- but in my opinion whatever blog platform we use, there should be some sort of extension/tool available |
| affiliatecoffee | says | which does not let the splogger at least just copy paste the data - there is an extension available for joomla that makes this possible |
| affiliatecoffee | says | similar should be developed for other platforms...if possible..and in most cases -finding the person's information through whois is possible |
| affiliatecoffee | says | who has copied the blog - even if its "private" - we could send a polite e-mail to them. in most cases - they would remove |
| affiliatecoffee | says | janechin and others already highlighted various ways by which copied content can be traced. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | a simple google search with strings like "this is blog content" can be searched and see how many sites have duplicate content too. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | because most of them get indexed in google. then its a matter of taking it up with the splogger. |
| EagleHawk | affiliatecoffee you can always report it for the ISP, most often if it's a good isp, they will take action. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | eaglehawk - not so sure about the ISP - shouldn't this be taken to the hosting provider instead? |
| EagleHawk | affiliatecoffee ISP and hosting provider is interchangeable in my mind since I work for a hosting provider. |
| EagleHawk | and technically a hosting provider is a ISP. |
| EagleHawk | hosting provider does provide internet service to the website. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | eaglehawk - agreed then. in my mind - they are separate. ISP to me is someone like Comcast - and hosting provider - someone like Bluehost |
| affiliatecoffee | says | p.s janechin - call me a party pooper - but i am not so sure why we are giving so much credit to plurkshop by plurks done by users. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | alright - just seen the plurkshop website. my sincere apologies to plurkshop & janechin for previous plurk. |
| affiliatecoffee | says | i see that they are encouraging community participation and ensuring important conversations get the attention they deserve. |
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