ThoughtWrong shares Jul 26, 2008 06:21PM The *official* Plurkshop #10 thread! **Unique Designs in the Plurk World**
ThoughtWrong says Jul 26, 2008 11:24PM everyone, started a lil' early, another 5 mins or so and we will get started
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:28PM "thanks" to zenelements for making is plurk box larger with CSS code
pritcharddesign says Jul 26, 2008 11:29PM excuse me, what is that great image on your profile Thoughtwrong?
ThoughtWrong says Jul 26, 2008 11:31PM pritcharddesign its as I lay dyings cover for frail worlds collapse
ThoughtWrong says Jul 26, 2008 11:31PM Hi everyone, I am thoughtwrong and welcome to the Plurkshop on Unique Designs in the Plurk World!
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:31PM Today we will be discussing what has seemed to be one of the most controversial topics over the past week on Plurk!
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:33PM The custom CSS design and inplementation on Plurk profiles have been compared to "Myspace for the microblogging world"
ThoughtWrong says Jul 26, 2008 11:34PM however, this is Plurk! So its not really about *just* my opinion now is it?
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:34PM I have compiled a short list of links I would like to share before we get started just as a refrence for the conversations in this thread.
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:34PM Is Plurk the MySpace of Microblogging? - The seemingly controversial mashable post by waynesutton
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:36PM I Saw It Through The Plurkline - Plurks blog post made yesterday on the CSS topic.
zenelements has Jul 26, 2008 11:35PM to admit, I was a little concerned the mySpace effect would take a hold of Plurk but there are a few points to this...
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:35PM http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-21651/TS-134703.mp3 - where we all discussed a little about this topic as well.
zenelements says Jul 26, 2008 11:36PM 1. that everyone is entitled to their own crazy CSS Profile fun
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:36PM Plurk CSS -Great tips from our very own ZenElements on the Plurk CSS and how to use it to your advantage.
zenelements says Jul 26, 2008 11:36PM 2. How often do we find ourselves on each others actual profile as supposed to just our own timelines?
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:36PM groups.google.com/project plurk (Project Plurk) - our google group for an open source custom css generator
Eric Odom says Jul 26, 2008 11:37PM thoughtwrong your profile looks great, but messed up in my res www.plurkpix.com/pix/Hm.png
ThoughtWrong says Jul 26, 2008 11:38PM ericodom usually I am just thinking about myself and what I like to see, not sure why but to be honest it should work on any resolution
zenelements says Jul 26, 2008 11:37PM does get that same smaller picture with my res, yeah.. anything over 1024 I think gets the blue background
AmberCadabra Jul 26, 2008 11:38PM ZenElements that's exactly my view; YOU are the one that looks at your page the most
ThoughtWrong says Jul 26, 2008 11:39PM Yes, That is the next topic I wanted to discuss, your profile, is just that YOURS!
zenelements shares Jul 26, 2008 11:39PM for EASIER response space, use this CSS: #input_small { height: 75px; }
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:39PM you are he one who has to view it 90% of the time, be sure however that you make the text readable so new pleeps can find out who you are..
Bakla says Jul 26, 2008 11:40PM Exactly! Your Profile is just yours. And there are some who believe that having an "awesome" profile will attract more friends/fans
Te-ge says Jul 26, 2008 11:39PM shoot! Dh has decided he's ready to head to dinner *now* instead of in an hour. Will look forward to reading when we get back!
Bakla says Jul 26, 2008 11:39PM as to why they would want to add more friends/fans is beyond me though
Eric Odom says Jul 26, 2008 11:40PM as long as plurk doesn't allow music on page load it will never be like myspace imho
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:41PM More Pleeps = more conversation, yes it can get hectic but it can also be worth it
pritcharddesign says Jul 26, 2008 11:41PM I like that I'm looking at a representation of me while plurking
Connie asks Jul 26, 2008 11:42PM How complicated is it to customize your CSS? I know just enough HTML to be dangerous.
pritcharddesign says Jul 26, 2008 11:41PM Connie follow one of the available tutorials or get someone to help you
martinbogo Jul 26, 2008 11:43PM ericodom I have a way of embedding a flash mp3 player now, but for the same reasons you mention, have not released or used the code
martinbogo Jul 26, 2008 11:43PM since it is mostly just a parsing bug on the part of A-Team. I should actually file it as a bug
LaShae thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:43PM CSS custom profiles are just like clothes, like pritcharddesign says it's a representation of her
Connie Jul 26, 2008 11:43PM I understand the principles of CSS, just have little experience using it. Are the tutorials on the Plurk blog?
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:44PM connie CSS is definately easy however fo people whom just do not want to or dont have the time to lear...
ThoughtWrong Jul 26, 2008 11:44PM ...we have put together the google group to help out all the pleeps
uberdev says Jul 26, 2008 11:44PM thoughtwrong, plurks colors to me really reak of vegas. i'm a big fan of simplicity
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:45PM the CSS project will be benificial because it encompasses the true meaning of plurk, *togetherness* by having everyone work on an open
AmberCadabra Jul 26, 2008 11:45PM would be great if we can gather links for tutorials here or in the recap on plurkshops.com
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:45PM source program and then putting it on a website for all other pleeps to use
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:46PM here is a full CSS beginners tutorial this one is easy to follow and is how I learned
uberdev asks Jul 26, 2008 11:46PM anyone who doesn't like custom css in plurk, do you apply the same philosophy in twitter?
zenelements says Jul 26, 2008 11:47PM w3schools is a great resource for anyone looking to get a slightly more indepth look into CSS
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:48PM he wants to know what everyones views are on the Waynesutton post at mashable, how did that one go over with everyone?
pritcharddesign says Jul 26, 2008 11:49PM I think a personalized profile page also reveals more about a person, making friending decisions easier
AmberCadabra Jul 26, 2008 11:51PM I had much less issue with his comments on CSS than I did with his blanket statements about the community. i'm defensive of my pleeps.
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:51PM that controversy can be good but how do you view myspace right now ItyBites ?
uberdev says Jul 26, 2008 11:51PM there is some validity comparing plurk and myspace. it seems the community for both is more homogenous. twitter stills seems very techy
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:52PM yes but on the same token comparing us to myspace, most people view myspace as the teeny bopper hangout of the internet
pritcharddesign thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:52PM ok, so some profiles on plurk may go tacky. There are people with tacky taste. What're you gonna do? Ban them?
Connie Jul 26, 2008 11:53PM and they view myspace as spammy and, in many instances, sleazy -- because there were no safeguards when it debuted.
zenelements says Jul 26, 2008 11:53PM I agree the two communities are quite different really uberdev.
Connie Jul 26, 2008 11:53PM No, pritcharddesign. When I see tacky profiles it may cause me to question whether I friend them or not, but it's their prerogative.
pritcharddesign says Jul 26, 2008 11:53PM so it's more about what kind of people will be attracted then the actual functionality
zenelements says Jul 26, 2008 11:53PM I have to say though, one of my strongest views is that we are not often 'on' each others profiles but our own timeline/profile.
Bakla says Jul 26, 2008 11:54PM Tacky taste is universally relative. If you hate the tackiness, remove as friend
Connie Jul 26, 2008 11:54PM The problem with Wayne's criticism, and he had to know this in spite of his disclaimers, is that in the circles he is in, myspace is
Connie Jul 26, 2008 11:55PM considered a social network wasteland. So even the hint of comparing it to Plurk made the post inflammatory.
pritcharddesign says Jul 26, 2008 11:56PM right Connie and he went further by almost categorizing plurkers
ThoughtWrong asks Jul 26, 2008 11:55PM how do you feel about the Plurk reaction to this post and the ensuing blog post they put up in response?
uberdev asks Jul 26, 2008 11:57PM you like a person's perspective, comments, contribution to community but not their plurk page style. friend or no friend?
zenelements Jul 26, 2008 11:58PM uberdev, I would friend. I'm rarely on a persons profile to judge and if they are interesting and awesome themselves, I'm happy.
Connie Jul 26, 2008 11:58PM uberdev - friend. The problem is that I might not have the basis for making that determination outside their profile page if no interaction
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 26, 2008 11:58PM it is amazing how Plurk developers take the time to read and respond "in their own unique way of course" to what people on their service are
Bakla says Jul 26, 2008 11:59PM ubedev I would friend. It's their content I'm after. Besides, I wont be seeing their plurk page on my timeline.
uberdev asks Jul 27, 2008 12:00AM connie understood, but also the benefit of plurk is seeing people comment on your plurks who aren't on your friends list yet
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:01AM I would friend uberdev, my judgement of people is based on quality of them being themselves.
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:01AM even if i dont like a certian design they pick that is not my call, it is theirs. We are all unique
bloggeries is Jul 27, 2008 12:02AM uberdev Your affinity for someone should have no bearing on their css imo. 90% of the time you're on your own background anyways.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:02AM uberdev That's one of the things I like about Plurk. I add people as friends after I've been in conversations with them.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:03AM And you're right, at that point CSS would have little to do with my decision, unless it was offensive in some way.
ThoughtWrong says Jul 27, 2008 12:03AM bloggeries , didnt see you sneak in. My timeline been moving kinda slow in this thread
pritcharddesign says Jul 27, 2008 12:04AM agree Connie. I like finding new people in other people's threads.
uberdev says Jul 27, 2008 12:04AM what about the viral effect of sharing your profile? you have a community w/ a focus - ngo. spread your profile = spread word for non prof
pritcharddesign says Jul 27, 2008 12:04AM you can friend people based on their comments, not the little in their profile
ThoughtWrong wonders Jul 27, 2008 12:04AM what is everyones favorite CSS snippit of things they can change in their timeline so far?
☼ Mike ☽ thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:05AM people need to work on their images. They need to be at least 1600 px wide and not huge in weight
zenelements Jul 27, 2008 12:05AM specifically to update the size of your response textbox --- #input_small { height: 75px; } --- I've found this extremely useful.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:06AM Does the Google group have any CSS templates we can adapt for our own use?
pritcharddesign says Jul 27, 2008 12:07AM ability to change verb bkgds .q_hopes { background: #5c4294; }
LaShae says Jul 27, 2008 12:07AM uberdev prof. and non-prof. - it's a good way to brand your company or yourself - done tastefully of course
zenelements says Jul 27, 2008 12:07AM not as yet but they are coming I beleive connie. I have a basic format of some Plurk:CSS on my blog just now though if it'd help.
Connie asks Jul 27, 2008 12:08AM pritcharddesign Can we add our own verbs or just change the colors of the ones they aleady have?
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:08AM that it dose not atm connie, I plan to get some up and get going on the project monday but its been a hectic weekend thus far
uberdev says Jul 27, 2008 12:08AM well, i've really enjoyed the conversation here, but gotta go. everyone have a terrific evening!!!
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:09AM That is great thoughtwrong. The generosity of the Plurkommunity will help those of us who are coding-challenged.
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:10AM is trying the plurkify room now as he was having technical issues w/ plurk updating
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:12AM Anyone have any suggestions on basic startup themes you all may like for your own plurk pages?
Connie asks Jul 27, 2008 12:12AM thoughtwrong Do we need to switch to the blog/chat? Plurk does seem to be slow updating.
AmberCadabra Jul 27, 2008 12:11AM thoughtwrong I don't think the plurkify room is working anymore since they updated back end stuff
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:13AM I just switched up to plurkify rooms connie , a little slow but works better than the non updating plurk atm
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:13AM I'm sticking here. Plurkify is too hard for me to read and doesn't autorefresh.
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:14AM hmm, go ahead and switch to the blog/chat cvonnie, having issues o this end now as well
zenelements says Jul 27, 2008 12:15AM ItyBites - I would suggest good starting point is background colours, moving onto backgrounds graphics after that.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:15AM This is a Meebo widget embedded into Plurkshops blog. If you have a Meebo account, log in so your name displays properly.
zenelements says Jul 27, 2008 12:16AM ItyBites, then you can look at font colours, font-type, etc.. let the fun role on w3schools is a great place to get a further insite to
zenelements says Jul 27, 2008 12:19AM no problem ItyBites. I have a blog post here which might help some fellow plurkers out a little too
ThoughtWrong feels Jul 27, 2008 12:21AM ItyBites should keep up with the google group as well, we may have some tutorials coming there also
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:21AM Sorry, the Meebo chat is not working properly either. I think we're just going to have to tough it out with a slow Plurk update.
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:22AM toughing it out is cool, I am down for slow conversation vs no conversation
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:22AM Some tutorials and CSS templates that we could adapt to our own use would be awesome.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:23AM I know I could learn CSS and do it from scratch, but I really don't have the time to invest in doing that.
LaShae thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:24AM this could be a good intro to CSS for folks who don't have hosting and find WP and other places too intimidating
zenelements has Jul 27, 2008 12:24AM some plans to get these things up for the googleGroup and will try to do so sooner too connie
yoonamaniac Jul 27, 2008 12:26AM well, not changing my own profile because I like things clean and simple, and what they have suits me just fine
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:26AM Plurk has turned out to be a great place for sharing knowledge - but that's a reflection on the people as well as the platform.
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:25AM Plurk is a place for learning and sharing and helping others, I love all my friends and would bend over backwards for em'
zenelements has Jul 27, 2008 12:26AM to donder off a little moment but great PlurkShop today thoughtwrong and was intersting to hear peoples views on things too!
yoonamaniac Jul 27, 2008 12:27AM and I don't give a rat's tiny ass how tacky others make their profiles to be since I rarely have to see them
ThoughtWrong feels Jul 27, 2008 12:27AM we may want to wrap this up now as it has been an hour coming and plurk seems sick tonight
yoonamaniac Jul 27, 2008 12:27AM quite frankly, people put tacky pictures as their avatars, and really, who cares?
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:27AM LOL yoonamaniac - we talked about that earlier. You rarely view anyone else's profile.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:28AM Thoughtwrong, I think we should have part 2 of this conversation when the Google group is farther along.
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:29AM yoonamaniac hit the nail on the head, its all about what you like not the 5% that other pleeps spend on your profile
☼ Mike ☽ asks Jul 27, 2008 12:29AM What is the code for increasing the height of the main plurk input?
ThoughtWrong thinks Jul 27, 2008 12:29AM that would be a great idea connie I will look foreward to that and maybe we can get more involvemet with plurk acting better.
ThoughtWrong says Jul 27, 2008 12:30AM hrrm...farho I would have to look through the CSS and see if I could hash it out
LaShae Jul 27, 2008 12:30AM thanks for hosting thoughtwrong and to all the pleeps a plurking tonight on Plurkshop #10
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:30AM If you scroll back, Farho, you'll find a bit of code -- but I think it's for the text box where you respond.
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:31AM Farho, you might need to get that code from ZenElements or Thoughtwrong, then.
AmberCadabra Jul 27, 2008 12:31AM thoughtwrong will you post a brief recap on MyPleeps? I can then copy it and post it on Plurkshops.com too
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:32AM At the very beginning of this thread, thoughtwrong posted some links to a Google group where they are discussing the CSS.
☼ Mike ☽ says Jul 27, 2008 12:32AM I saw the response one above. I like it so much I want to change the main input
ThoughtWrong says Jul 27, 2008 12:31AM Thank you everyone for coming out, I gues I must close w/ my catch phrase, heh
Connie Jul 27, 2008 12:33AM Thank you for all your thoughts, Thoughtwrong. (who is usually thinkingright)
ThoughtWrong Jul 27, 2008 12:34AM AmberCadabra I can do that. Am I authorized to post on plurkshops or will I need to be sending a copy to one of you alkl
AmberCadabra Jul 27, 2008 12:37AM thoughtwrong You can just go ahead and send it to me, I don't mind at all
ThoughtWrong says Jul 27, 2008 12:43AM topsurf its cool, we were having plurky problems tonight anyways
thekidds is Jul 27, 2008 02:05AM so sad she missed the party but got lots of good info and wrote down all the links to peruse later. Thanks thoughtwrong for doing this!