| RoslinPetion | Could someone EXPLAIN to me why they have an issue with the term counter culture being used by LL to describe non-mainstream groups? |
Aug 28, 2009 -
02:32PM
| RoslinPetion | Could someone EXPLAIN to me why they have an issue with the term counter culture being used by LL to describe non-mainstream groups? |
| StaciePryor | says | i don't have a problem with it |
| SometimesGidge | says | i don't quite get it |
| SamB | has | no problem..would rather be though of as challenging the norm anyway |
| Harper G. | "Counterculture" has a negative loading left over from the Sixties. I don't like the term myself; suggest "subculture." |
| Void | says | i thought i was being stupid for not getting that.... but now i'm starting to think i'm ok  |
| Harper G. | See my blog article. |
| Catty | says | i don't have a problem with it, tho i do have to wonder at those that do... |
| Wilted Rose | counter makes it sound like they are against coulture rather then different |
| Harper G. | shrugs. |
| Cash Mureaux | Because people are fucking retarded. |
| Gabby Doololly | I've never thought of counter-culture as having negativity left over from the 60's...I'm quite fine with the term. |
| RoslinPetion | Counterculture is NOT inherently negative by definition. It is often used interchangeably with subculture and the only difference betwen... |
| RoslinPetion | the two words is that counter culture is a term applied to a subculture that is in direct opposition to the mainstream. Why is being... |
| RoslinPetion | in opposition to the mainstream a BAD thing? I feel like that's a personal issue and really, if someone doesn't want to oppose mainstream.. |
| RoslinPetion | just don't. Don't try to find a word that you feel is less offensive. |
| Ivy Norsk | says | I think "counter-culture" has a Positive connotation left over from the sixties and that was how it was being applied. |
| StaciePryor | says | well said, RoslinPetion |
| Ivy Norsk | says | "sub-culture" is probably more accurate since the nekos aren't attacking the mainstream, but it's a tempest in a teapot |
| RoslinPetion | Well, here's a revolutionary thought, just by being part of SL , we are all in a way part of a counter culture. |
| Ivy Norsk | says | that's the truth; many think we're odd enough  |
| Harper G. | No; we're on the bleeding edge of the technology curve.  |
| RoslinPetion | Well, residents are no less different from mainstream society than the subcultures within SL are and I kind of feel like they have more... |
| RoslinPetion | in common with subcultures than not. |
| RoslinPetion | Are any of the subcultures in sl doing more than just playing dress up? I don't ask this in a snarky way, just a genuine question. |
| Catty | says | I agree that we are part of a revolutionary culture, we are on a new frontier paving the future in directions we don't yet know. I think it |
| RoslinPetion | Actually, you know, at first I was thinking it doesn't matter because counterculture and subculture are practically the same term but now... |
| RoslinPetion | I think counter culture is actually more accurate for a lot of us. Ask yourself, are you openly and actively opposed to many of the... |
| RoslinPetion | characteristics of mainstream society? I AM. |
| Harper G. | No, not particularly. |
| Harper G. | (That's a quick riff, but I'm very conventional even in SL most of the time.) |
| Catty | says | is important to understand this, as it brings issues not encountered before..as in copyright laws, intellectual property etc |
| RoslinPetion | Well Harper, that probably explains why you have a problem with the term. |
| Cash Mureaux | SL as a revolutionary culture makes me laugh. |
| RoslinPetion | cashmureaux OK, in all fairness, I don't know that I would call any of the subcultures or SL culture as a whole counterculture but I... |
| RoslinPetion | don't find the term offensive is my point. Also, a counter culture doesn't HAVE to be revolutionary, just in opposition to mainstream... |
| RoslinPetion | culture. You don't have to have a revolution to do that. |
| Annyka | says | Counter-culture icons: Muhammed Ali, Jack Kerouac, Bob Dylan, George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, John Lennon, Hunter Thompson, etc etc |
| Annyka | says | Someone tell me how that's bad company? |
| Annyka | says | I wonder if its generational, somehow? Is there more of a desire for mainstream acceptance nowadays than there was 20-30 years ago? |
| Cash Mureaux | I can't find the argument here tbh. |
| Erin | says | I think people are stepping more and more AWAY from the mainstream...or at least the traditional version of the mainstream |
| Ivy Norsk | says | I honestly think some people just want to bitch about something, so they're picking on LL for "counter-culture" |
| Erin | says | I think people's insistants on labels is the problem. Someone is always gonna find offense. |
| Annyka | says | honestly though, "counterculture" IS a pretty inaccurate term, but if its insulting, then its insulting to the real counterculture |
| RoslinPetion | It's human nature to label. It's how we make sense of the world. I'm not saying labels are always accurate, I'm not saying there aren't... |
| RoslinPetion | drawbacks to being labled, I'm just saying, it's never going away. How we respond and deal with labels is all we can control. |
| RoslinPetion | well, honestly, calling the subcultures in sl is kind of inaccurate, can it even qualify as that? They are more like scenes, if that |
| Cash Mureaux | Hi guys I play a game on the internet. |
| Erin | says | ohai cashface! |
| RoslinPetion | Cash, you aren't allowed to play. You don't believe anything has meaning. |
| Cash Mureaux | Valid point. |
| StaciePryor | says |  |
| Annyka | says | I should amend my list: Jack Kerouac, Bob Dylan, George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, John Lennon, Hunter Thompson... |
| Annyka | says | , and some guy who plays a sexy rabbit girl on SL |
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