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  • JDHP says
    he still does! lol
  • Walter Burns says
    quote: "Ain't no N- got no justification to kill another N-." I'm sayin' though; Jesse MUST be smarter than that. Or so I thought. Ugh.
  • JDHP says
    I'm sure he is, but he's just not as polished as we have previously thought him to be
  • HustleMania says
    Hmm...that's interesting. Seems like Jesse was always flaky. What happened with him and that kid
  • Camping Lisa wonders
    if the black community is ok with the "N" word as long as you are black. I heard Whoopi Goldberg say it is ok as long as a black person ...
  • Walter Burns says
    You got that right, JDHP; I guess all habits never die. I'm not shocked either, veronicaromm; more disheartened, I guess..->
  • Walter Burns says
    <- shocked it showed up in print as boldly as it did. Hmm..
  • Camping Lisa says
    as a "white person" it can be confusing. I don't like it
  • JDHP says
    some people use it to refer to all people not just african-americans. its like a noun alomst.
  • A_NYRican says
    I don't use it and won't respond to it at all. But I don't condemn those that do. *Too liberal and believes in the freedom of speech*
  • JDHP says
    I've heard people say things like "look at that Chinese N---- right there"
  • Walter Burns says
    I have had this debate maybe a million times, especially whiel covering hip-hop for features. Ehh, the world would be much better off w/o it
  • MelissaThinks says
    the argument on the view was interesting. Elizabeth just really doesn't get that we all have different cultures.
  • JDHP says
    And Puerto-Ricans use it just as much as African-Americans.
  • JDHP says
    Not ALL but where I'm from it is as common as Concrete
  • A_NYRican says
    do I like the word, the answer is no. But again, I do believe in the freedom of speech.
  • MelissaThinks says
    as an Italian American I will say things about other Italians but God help an Irish person if they said it. Same kind of thing.
  • A_NYRican says
    And therefore, if we start banning words we don't like what else do we start banning. It's all tied together.
  • JDHP says
    Me too
  • A_NYRican says
    Enough of our freedoms are being taken away.
  • Camping Lisa says
    I understand not "banning" a word., I am a public school teacher and it does get rather "GRAY" when you want to have consequences for
  • Camping Lisa says
    the student who uses the "N" word in a derogatory way when just 2 min earlier it was used by the same person it was used against..
  • JDHP says
    depending upon your position, if your a public figure, you have a different set of rules than a guy from up the block
  • Camping Lisa says
    it seems like it is a word that shows disrespect
  • Camping Lisa says
    so even if you are using it as a "noun" it has an element of disrespect
  • Walter Burns says
    Ahh, the free-thinking Plurkanatti has spoken! There are some interesting viewpoints in this thread....
  • JDHP says
    people will say its ok and its a freedom of speech until your in a position where people expect something different from you.
  • A_NYRican says
    I never said the word is ok. But it does unfortunately fall under freedom of speech.
  • A_NYRican says
    Now with that said, does that mean that I will buy a song from an artist that uses that word, the answer is no.
  • A_NYRican says
    would I vote for a politician that uses that word, no. Would I associate myself with someone that uses that word, no.
  • A_NYRican says
    This is where freedom of speech and your own personal options come into play. We can exercise the **right** not to condone such a word.
  • A_NYRican says
    But we should not ban it either.
  • Walter Burns says
    And with FOS comes a certain level of responsibility; and true, FOS doesn't protect the speaker from a wicked backlash. Very interesting...
  • Camping Lisa asks
    how do we teach our children the proper use (or in my opinion no use) of the word...I agree with the freedom of speech thing..but I would
  • LEMills is
    fascinated by how words morph according to meaning and context. Wonder where "friend" will be in the near future (not to derail this convo)
  • Camping Lisa asks
    welcome ideas. I work at teaching diversity and acceptance in a VERY rural school in south central PA
  • A_NYRican says
    freedom of speech does not and should not dismiss the right to teach your kids the reason why this word should not be used.
  • A_NYRican says
    Personal responsibility is not covered by freedom of speech. It's the same as calling some Asian Oriental.
  • A_NYRican says
    Or calling a Hispanic person a spic.
  • A_NYRican says
    Parents should be able to sit down, explain to **their** children what the word means and why it should not be used & is not condone by them
  • Camping Lisa says
    many of my student's parents use the "N" word and any host of other words inappropriately. I word very hard to undo a lot of hate taught
  • Walter Burns says
    campinglisa (and all who chimed in) has a point: you have to school the youth of today on it; sadly, parents throw it around just as much..
  • A_NYRican says
    unfortunately, I agree, there are many irresponsible parents. The children may or may not see your POV. But I still stand on not banning.
  • A_NYRican says
    Although this country does have freedom of speech, we have banned in the past and continue to ban certain books, music, etc.
  • A_NYRican says
    Again, I don't agree with this type of banning. I believe our ability to choose. But banning FOS ...
  • A_NYRican says
    no matter how hateful infringes on that right which can be used to ban things that we don't want to ban.
  • Walter Burns says
    A_NYRican is right on the ban; in fact, I think a ban will have the opposite effect, like those 'Explicit Lyrics" warnings on cd's...
  • Walter Burns says
    Banning language is putting both feet on a very slippery slope, IMHO...good feedback and comments!
  • Camping Lisa says
    I agree with you A_NYRican I just get so frustrated with people who disrespect others or themselves
  • Camping Lisa says
    I think that using the "N" word and any host of others like women who use the "B" word for each other are showing a level of disrespect to
  • Camping Lisa needs
    to get off of her soapbox...sorry
  • A_NYRican says
    haha I do too.
  • JDHP says
    well that word is not going away, if anything its more prominent now than ever. And its double-standard laced slur
  • A_NYRican is
    wiping her sweaty brow and taking a good sip of her ice cold water. LOL
  • Walter Burns says
    That's what soapboxes are for!! That's just endemic of self-hate, campinglisa, in all its myriad forms....
  • A_NYRican says
    I don't think I want that word to go away. I believe we (parents, teachers, the entire community) should teach our kids why...
  • A_NYRican says
    the use of the word should not be promoted as something positive.
  • A_NYRican says
    the moment that words goes away the impact of the word goes away with it.
  • A_NYRican says
    If you noticed the word has been changed in spelling lessen the impact of what the word means.
  • JDHP says
    most people wont bat and eye if its said until you are in the public eye. most people wont address it until Michael Richards says it
  • JDHP says
    or Bill O'riely or... Dick Cheney
  • Camping Lisa says
    A_NYRican I totally agree. I read something by John Milton called Areopagitica which speaks against censoring..it is old but relevant
  • A_NYRican says
    This shows the impact has been changed to the **new** generation. We have the responsibility to say No, and it means this & it s origin.
  • Camping Lisa says
    it is sort of like the frog in boiling water analagy isn't it?
  • A_NYRican says
    unfortunately, yes it is.
  • JDHP says
    or the crab in the bucket
  • Camping Lisa says
    I have to say I really enjoy interacting with each of you...
  • JDHP says
    :-)
  • A_NYRican says
    this reminds me of something George Carlin said about changing how people feel about something by changing the word.
  • A_NYRican says
    I remember he said something to the effect that once you change the word to something else the impact of that word changes as well.
  • A_NYRican says
    I wish I could remember exactly what he said because he made perfect sense.
  • Walter Burns says
    The spell change was a front, though, A_NYRican; I wonder which forces were behind that? NWA? 2 Live Crew? 'a' is more accepted than 'er'..
  • A_NYRican says
    exactly it is a front. But when our kids see this as oh well it means something else now. How do we combat that?
  • A_NYRican says
    we have to gear ourselves with knowledge how words impact our way of thinking.
  • Camping Lisa asks
    <as an obviously white woman> why does it not bother much of the Black community when the groups like NWA and 2 Live Crew use the word
  • A_NYRican feels
    that for all those plurks I never get a chance to respond to I think this one makes up for it. LOL
  • A_NYRican says
    it only does not bother some. Not all of us feel that way. I don't care who you are, what color you are as a Black Puerto Rican woman...
  • JDHP says
    Because they say it just as much as they do on the records. it a term used as not negatively as it should be but as a way to refer to...
  • A_NYRican says
    I am here to tell you that I will speak up on not using that word in front of me
  • A_NYRican says
    and this is where the issue lies. Why does the Black community accept this word? Why is it OK for some to use and not others.
  • A_NYRican says
    I understand why Caucasians are confused. I really do. And honestly, I don't have an answer to that. I can only speak for myself.
  • JDHP says
    DOUBLE-STANDARD. Black people have a Monopoly on it. In my opinion. Black people can say whatever about anybody and no one holds them to it
  • Camping Lisa says
    this is why the "white" community gets confused...ok I am not apologizing for the Imus's of the world, but it does seem confusing
  • A_NYRican says
    I completely agree.
  • JDHP says
    until you are a public figure and you say something bad about Black people. like calling then the N-word
  • A_NYRican says
    really I do.
  • JDHP says
    yes
  • Walter Burns says
    Deep thread. In some parts of the black community, the word is almost defended; in others, it's reviled. There's no consensus anymore..
  • JDHP says
    Imus is a D-Bag
  • A_NYRican says
    he may be. But again, he brought up an issue that continues to be an issue in the Black community today - unity.
  • JDHP says
    the damage is done, obviously.
  • Walter Burns says
    What amazes me is that I have never heard any other derogatory term thrown around/embraced as much as 'N-." what is THAT saying? Anything?
  • A_NYRican says
    exactly DCW but you know why because the group that should have denounced it embraced it themselves.
  • A_NYRican says
    As a Puerto Rican, I would never allow you to call me a spic. Some hispanics do but very few. Most would denounce the word immediately.
  • A_NYRican says
    I have a young lady here in Plurk who constantly throws that word around. I never respond to those plurks.
  • JDHP says
    Yeah, thats crazy. Who's behind that?
  • Camping Lisa says
    I think that DCW Burns will have a sky rocketing Karma after this thread (s_dance)
  • Walter Burns says
    I feel you, A_NYRican; As an African-American, I cringe when I hear it; as a journalist, I need the FOS; I hate the conundrum, personally.
  • A_NYRican says
    this is what Plurk considers a quality Plurk :-D
  • Camping Lisa says
    DCW burns anytime you want to do a fascinating story on the "Challenge of Diversity in rural america" you can come to my school and
  • Camping Lisa says
    interview me and some of my students
  • Walter Burns says
    Well, this is a hot-button issue, A_NYRican:-) and The Plurkanatti is not short on opinions:-)
  • ampersandrea says
    I've skimmed the plurk. I hope I don't repeat anything. I think its a cop out to 'embrace' a word by changing the -er to an -a.
  • Camping Lisa says
    no...but would you have it any other way?
  • ampersandrea says
    Do I use it? Yep. To describe people that don't take responsibility in themselves, their neighborhood, family, community...
  • ampersandrea says
    I would actually. I would rather have a world where the word doesn't apply to anyone.
  • A_NYRican says
    but again you have changed the meaning of the word.
  • A_NYRican says
    so basically, this is the problem. The impact of the word has been changed.
  • ampersandrea says
    I always thought it just meant 'an ignorant person' - with racial undertones, of course
  • A_NYRican says
    using it in the context that it was used it, you are basically saying all Blacks are lazy and irresponsible.
  • A_NYRican says
    the problem is that our youth don't know what the word means. Another issue.
  • ampersandrea says
    but I didn't say I was using solely on black people though. I said people of ALL RACES.
  • A_NYRican says
    but that's the problem
  • A_NYRican says
    please research the word. After you do, you will never use it to describe anyone.
  • A_NYRican says
    see the origin, why it was used and the purpose it served.
  • A_NYRican says
    or if you want I can do this in a private plurk.
  • ampersandrea says
    and also I understand that wiki isn't the end all of research
  • A_NYRican says
    haha I understand. When you can. But I am glad that you are trying to understand.
  • Walter Burns says
    It's very complex and layered; I also think, to the older generation, the folks that were born prior to 1950, it carries a lot of pain...
  • Walter Burns says
    for the younger cats, those more edgy, worldly, it may carry a different context. My grandmother would fall OUT if she heard it, for example
  • ampersandrea says
    see - my dad had this campaign. T.E.N. = total elimination of niggas. And he defined niggas as ppl who are irresponsible.
  • ampersandrea says
    That's where I got it from.
  • ampersandrea says
    and outside of the historical context - I still agree with that.
  • A_NYRican says
    OK. And please don't take this the wrong way but you just proved my point. Change the word changes the impact. *Amen*
  • Walter Burns says
    This is some thread. 144 responses, including perhaps 20 of my own. I appreciate everyone's comments! Free thinkers, indeed...
  • LEMills is
    back from a 2-hr meeting, and no one's mentioned Joseph Conrad yet! Mostly, though, I'm interested in the community-based useage.
  • LEMills
    There's no parallel in the white world (I don't think). We don't throw around "WASP" as an in-group term of affection or derision, (do we?)
  • Walter Burns says
    LEMills is very smart; that's one of the points I was trying to make!!
  • LEMills
    dcw, you're going out on a limb there! But "honkey" (sp?) was not something we called ourselves...
  • A_NYRican
    agrees with LEMills and I know that was one of the points but again this will bring me back to my soapbox. I need to eat to type that one.
  • LEMills
    So perhaps it's a word that has a mixed affection - a "safe" word to signify an oppressed group
  • LEMills
    but used by the outsiders to reinforce that oppression
  • LEMills
    And while I'm here... I really, REALLY dislike the frequency of "d-bag" - just another sexist remark in a world with too many already
  • Camping Lisa says
    I just realized what you meant by "d-bag" I thought it meant "dirt bag"...
  • LEMills
    HA! I'm always reading it as "douche" (there are so many levels to that... the procedure beingsomething of my mother's generation)
  • LEMills
    [but I derail again] it's all context, though, isn't it?
  • latoyasutton says
    this is a good conversation to have. And it's being handled intelligently too. You don't see that too often.
  • LEMills
    Well, one reason may be that the usual bunch of commenters for Damon's Daily News articles aren't on Plurk! (or at least I don't think so)
  • lilyhill
    Words have the power to hurt. ANY words. It's the intention behind them. Never allowed hate speech in my house. Awareness starts there.
  • Walter Burns says
    You got that absolutely right, LEMills. And lilyhill is also right; its amazing how much music I thrown out, over the lyrics, for the kids
  • JDHP says
    wow this plurk is still going? COOL!
  • A_NYRican says
    lilyhill you are right on the mark. Awareness starts in the home. Unfortunately, like one of the writers here wrote, some just don't.
  • A_NYRican says
    Or use the word themselves. It's the education of parents - the community as a whole that needs to change. But banning is not the way.
  • Camping Lisa says
    SquireHogg that I think we teach people how to treat (or call us) so if we use words for ourselves that our offensive from others..it sends
  • Camping Lisa says
    I think this is not where we were going with this thread...

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